Douglas Story

[KRL]

I see Cimini took my suggestion for a story and looked to Ozzie Newsome to determine
what Douglas may do:

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/82503/time-for-jets-gm-joe-douglas-to-put-his-ozzie-education-to-work

 

In the summer of 2007, Joe Douglas attended a University of Delaware practice and fell hard for a lanky, strong-armed quarterback named Joe Flacco, a relative unknown.

Douglas, a Baltimore Ravens area scout, had studied Flacco's game tape from the previous year. Now, watching him live for the first time, he was smitten after only a few throws. Not concerned about the level of competition, he wrote a glowing report and submitted it to his bosses.

"He put a big-time grade on him," former Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said this week in a phone interview with ESPN. "Of course, we all go, 'Joe, this kid is from Delaware. Really?' He stood by his grade."

Prompted by Douglas, Newsome and the Ravens' top decision-makers paid close attention to Flacco throughout the season and wound up picking him in the first round of the 2008 draft. Five years later, he was a Super Bowl MVP. The Flacco decision was a big win for the entire organization, but as Newsome noted, "Joe D. was the first guy to put his eyes on Joe Flacco."

Those eyes now work for the New York Jets, who desperately need someone with a clear vision to lead them out of the NFL wilderness.

It starts next week for Douglas, who, after nine months as general manager, gets a chance to reshape the roster. With $50 million in salary-cap space and eight draft choices, including four in the first three rounds, Douglas has the resources to fill many, if not all, of the holes in the roster. He did some tinkering last season, but the first true test comes with free agency.

Can a first-time GM with a neighborly personality handle the crucible of New York and make the Jets a consistent winner?

For insight into Douglas, the best source is Newsome, one of the greatest tight ends in history, a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame and a Wizard of Oz when it came to roster building. Newsome, who stepped down as the Ravens' GM after the 2018 season, doesn't do many interviews anymore, but he made an exception to speak about Douglas. That should tell you something about his feelings for his protégé.

Ozzie Newsome, who stepped down as Ravens general manager after the 2018 season, hired Joe Douglas in 2000 and gave him entry-level responsibilities. Of the rebuilding job awaiting Douglas as GM of the Jets, Newsome says: "It's something he's up to." AP Photo/Patrick Semansky

Newsome hired Douglas in 2000 to be part of the Ravens' 20/20 program, which got its name because they took twentysomethings with a football background, paid them about $20,000 a year and gave them entry-level responsibilities in football operations. They made airport runs, drove players to the doctor, stuff like that. Douglas landed the unenviable job of "The Turk," the poor soul who tells players to report to the coach's office so they can be released. He got some face time on TV because the Ravens were featured that year on HBO's "Hard Knocks."

"They learned the business from the bottom up," Newsome said of his 20/20 grunts.

Douglas spent 15 years under Newsome, the last few as a national scout. Now he's in the big chair.

"It's something he's up to," Newsome said. "He came into [a] unique situation. He came in after the draft last year and after free agency, so there wasn't a whole lot he could do from the time he got the job until the end of the season. In that situation, he got a chance to find out about the roster and get accustomed to [coach Adam] Gase and [defensive coordinator] Gregg Williams, and get a feel for what they want. Having all of that will help him this offseason with getting better personnel on the Jets.

"Now he can start to put his footprint on the Jets. Now you get a chance to see him."

Newsome described Douglas as an astute talent evaluator, a careful listener and a processor.

A processor?

"He's not one of those guys that just offers up opinions," Newsome said. "He's a guy that wants to accumulate as much information that's available to him and then make a decision. To me, he's a processor. Regardless of how fast things are moving sometimes, Joe D. is going to be solid and he's going to be right down the middle. And he's going to come away with a good decision."

Big decisions await. Does he pay wide receiver Robby Anderson, a pending free agent? How does he overhaul the offensive line? How much is Jamal Adams worth on a long-term extension? What if he receives a tempting trade offer for the star safety?

Douglas has been influenced by many in his career, which included stints with the Chicago Bears (2016) and Philadelphia Eagles (2017-19), but his forever mentor is Newsome.

Jets GM Joe Douglas likely will base much of his philosophy on what he learned while in the Ravens' organization. AP Photo/Seth Wenig

"Ozzie's consistent. Ozzie's patient. Ozzie is not going to get wrapped up in emotions when he's making decisions," Douglas said. "He's not going to get wrapped up in perceived needs. He's going to do what's best for the team short and long term. I'll never compare myself to Ozzie Newsome. Ozzie should be in the Hall of Fame twice, as a player and as a GM, but being around him for 15 years was a true joy, and I'm very blessed to have done it."

ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay, a former college teammate of Douglas' at the University of Richmond, said, "[Douglas] learned so much from Ozzie Newsome and that staff in Baltimore. That's where he grew up. He's had a couple of other destinations, but Baltimore is where he was raised."

Douglas will be his own man, but he likely will base much of his philosophy on the Book of Oz. If so, this is what it could mean for the Jets:

The Jets won't be married to free agency: Under Newsome, the Ravens splurged every now and then, but the usual plan was to look for value in second-tier free agents. Douglas might stray from that school of thought this year because he has money to burn and so many holes to fill, which is why they've been linked to top free agents such as cornerbacks Byron Jones and James Bradberry, guard Joe Thuney and tackle Jack Conklin. For the long term, though, Douglas would be wise to follow the Ravens Way. "We're going to have different tiers of free agents, with what money they're going to make," Douglas said. "But it's going to be important for us to choose the right person."

They will try hard to retain their best players: For the first 23 years of the franchise, the Ravens never failed to keep a multiple Pro Bowl first-round pick past his rookie deal. That streak ended last year when linebacker C.J. Mosley signed with the Jets. Mosley notwithstanding, they believe in keeping their own. Douglas will have that in mind as he approaches the Adams situation. He's their best draft pick since Darrelle Revis (2007), and it would be a shame if he doesn't play the prime of his career with the Jets.

Best player available over need: It "skews the whole process" if a team drafts for need, according to Newsome. He demonstrated his BPA philosophy in his first draft for the Ravens (1996), picking future Hall of Fame tackle Jonathan Ogden fourth overall even though he had a very good tackle in Tony Jones. Need versus BPA could come into play for the Jets, who own the 11th pick. They need an offensive tackle, but the best player might be a wide receiver, perhaps Jerry Jeudy or CeeDee Lamb, or a cornerback. Douglas won't reach for a need.

They will emphasize college free agency: In the mid-2000s, Newsome put Douglas in charge of coordinating the Ravens' effort in signing undrafted players. He did a "fabulous job," according to Newsome. "We've made a living getting two or three college free agents a year. It started with Joe D. and his ability to lay the foundation for that program."In fact, the Ravens have gone 16 straight years with at least one UDFA on their opening-day roster. For competitive reasons, Newsome wishes Douglas had gone to an NFC team, but he knows how badly he wanted the Jets' job. On the day his protégé was hired last June, Newsome received no fewer than three phone calls from Douglas."I was on the golf course and he kept calling me, seeking my advice about the position," Newsome said. "I knew he was ready."

[section314]

54 minutes ago, KRL said:

I see Cimini took my suggestion for a story and looked to Ozzie Newsome to determine
what Douglas may do:

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/82503/time-for-jets-gm-joe-douglas-to-put-his-ozzie-education-to-work

 

In the summer of 2007, Joe Douglas attended a University of Delaware practice and fell hard for a lanky, strong-armed quarterback named Joe Flacco, a relative unknown.

Douglas, a Baltimore Ravens area scout, had studied Flacco's game tape from the previous year. Now, watching him live for the first time, he was smitten after only a few throws. Not concerned about the level of competition, he wrote a glowing report and submitted it to his bosses.

"He put a big-time grade on him," former Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said this week in a phone interview with ESPN. "Of course, we all go, 'Joe, this kid is from Delaware. Really?' He stood by his grade."

Prompted by Douglas, Newsome and the Ravens' top decision-makers paid close attention to Flacco throughout the season and wound up picking him in the first round of the 2008 draft. Five years later, he was a Super Bowl MVP. The Flacco decision was a big win for the entire organization, but as Newsome noted, "Joe D. was the first guy to put his eyes on Joe Flacco."

Those eyes now work for the New York Jets, who desperately need someone with a clear vision to lead them out of the NFL wilderness.

It starts next week for Douglas, who, after nine months as general manager, gets a chance to reshape the roster. With $50 million in salary-cap space and eight draft choices, including four in the first three rounds, Douglas has the resources to fill many, if not all, of the holes in the roster. He did some tinkering last season, but the first true test comes with free agency.

Can a first-time GM with a neighborly personality handle the crucible of New York and make the Jets a consistent winner?

For insight into Douglas, the best source is Newsome, one of the greatest tight ends in history, a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame and a Wizard of Oz when it came to roster building. Newsome, who stepped down as the Ravens' GM after the 2018 season, doesn't do many interviews anymore, but he made an exception to speak about Douglas. That should tell you something about his feelings for his protégé.

Ozzie Newsome, who stepped down as Ravens general manager after the 2018 season, hired Joe Douglas in 2000 and gave him entry-level responsibilities. Of the rebuilding job awaiting Douglas as GM of the Jets, Newsome says: "It's something he's up to." AP Photo/Patrick Semansky

Newsome hired Douglas in 2000 to be part of the Ravens' 20/20 program, which got its name because they took twentysomethings with a football background, paid them about $20,000 a year and gave them entry-level responsibilities in football operations. They made airport runs, drove players to the doctor, stuff like that. Douglas landed the unenviable job of "The Turk," the poor soul who tells players to report to the coach's office so they can be released. He got some face time on TV because the Ravens were featured that year on HBO's "Hard Knocks."

"They learned the business from the bottom up," Newsome said of his 20/20 grunts.

Douglas spent 15 years under Newsome, the last few as a national scout. Now he's in the big chair.

"It's something he's up to," Newsome said. "He came into [a] unique situation. He came in after the draft last year and after free agency, so there wasn't a whole lot he could do from the time he got the job until the end of the season. In that situation, he got a chance to find out about the roster and get accustomed to [coach Adam] Gase and [defensive coordinator] Gregg Williams, and get a feel for what they want. Having all of that will help him this offseason with getting better personnel on the Jets.

"Now he can start to put his footprint on the Jets. Now you get a chance to see him."

Newsome described Douglas as an astute talent evaluator, a careful listener and a processor.

A processor?

"He's not one of those guys that just offers up opinions," Newsome said. "He's a guy that wants to accumulate as much information that's available to him and then make a decision. To me, he's a processor. Regardless of how fast things are moving sometimes, Joe D. is going to be solid and he's going to be right down the middle. And he's going to come away with a good decision."

Big decisions await. Does he pay wide receiver Robby Anderson, a pending free agent? How does he overhaul the offensive line? How much is Jamal Adams worth on a long-term extension? What if he receives a tempting trade offer for the star safety?

Douglas has been influenced by many in his career, which included stints with the Chicago Bears (2016) and Philadelphia Eagles (2017-19), but his forever mentor is Newsome.

Jets GM Joe Douglas likely will base much of his philosophy on what he learned while in the Ravens' organization. AP Photo/Seth Wenig

"Ozzie's consistent. Ozzie's patient. Ozzie is not going to get wrapped up in emotions when he's making decisions," Douglas said. "He's not going to get wrapped up in perceived needs. He's going to do what's best for the team short and long term. I'll never compare myself to Ozzie Newsome. Ozzie should be in the Hall of Fame twice, as a player and as a GM, but being around him for 15 years was a true joy, and I'm very blessed to have done it."

ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay, a former college teammate of Douglas' at the University of Richmond, said, "[Douglas] learned so much from Ozzie Newsome and that staff in Baltimore. That's where he grew up. He's had a couple of other destinations, but Baltimore is where he was raised."

Douglas will be his own man, but he likely will base much of his philosophy on the Book of Oz. If so, this is what it could mean for the Jets:

The Jets won't be married to free agency: Under Newsome, the Ravens splurged every now and then, but the usual plan was to look for value in second-tier free agents. Douglas might stray from that school of thought this year because he has money to burn and so many holes to fill, which is why they've been linked to top free agents such as cornerbacks Byron Jones and James Bradberry, guard Joe Thuney and tackle Jack Conklin. For the long term, though, Douglas would be wise to follow the Ravens Way. "We're going to have different tiers of free agents, with what money they're going to make," Douglas said. "But it's going to be important for us to choose the right person."

They will try hard to retain their best players: For the first 23 years of the franchise, the Ravens never failed to keep a multiple Pro Bowl first-round pick past his rookie deal. That streak ended last year when linebacker C.J. Mosley signed with the Jets. Mosley notwithstanding, they believe in keeping their own. Douglas will have that in mind as he approaches the Adams situation. He's their best draft pick since Darrelle Revis (2007), and it would be a shame if he doesn't play the prime of his career with the Jets.

Best player available over need: It "skews the whole process" if a team drafts for need, according to Newsome. He demonstrated his BPA philosophy in his first draft for the Ravens (1996), picking future Hall of Fame tackle Jonathan Ogden fourth overall even though he had a very good tackle in Tony Jones. Need versus BPA could come into play for the Jets, who own the 11th pick. They need an offensive tackle, but the best player might be a wide receiver, perhaps Jerry Jeudy or CeeDee Lamb, or a cornerback. Douglas won't reach for a need.

They will emphasize college free agency: In the mid-2000s, Newsome put Douglas in charge of coordinating the Ravens' effort in signing undrafted players. He did a "fabulous job," according to Newsome. "We've made a living getting two or three college free agents a year. It started with Joe D. and his ability to lay the foundation for that program."In fact, the Ravens have gone 16 straight years with at least one UDFA on their opening-day roster. For competitive reasons, Newsome wishes Douglas had gone to an NFC team, but he knows how badly he wanted the Jets' job. On the day his protégé was hired last June, Newsome received no fewer than three phone calls from Douglas."I was on the golf course and he kept calling me, seeking my advice about the position," Newsome said. "I knew he was ready."

This is incredibly positive news. He will actually listen to his guys, and not run a one man show, which is what ultimately got Macc fired.

[nycdan]

18 minutes ago, section314 said:

This is incredibly positive news. He will actually listen to his guys, and not run a one man show, which is what ultimately got Macc fired.

That and his complete lack of understanding of how a roster needs to address all 22 starting positions on the field.  And his failure to avoid overpaying lazy athletes big money guaranteed contracts.  Oh, did I mention his failure to show even a lick of skill at evaluating draft talent?

[JustInFudge]

2 hours ago, KRL said:

They will try hard to retain their best players: For the first 23 years of the franchise, the Ravens never failed to keep a multiple Pro Bowl first-round pick past his rookie deal. That streak ended last year when linebacker C.J. Mosley signed with the Jets. Mosley notwithstanding, they believe in keeping their own. Douglas will have that in mind as he approaches the Adams situation. He's their best draft pick since Darrelle Revis (2007), and it would be a shame if he doesn't play the prime of his career with the Jets.

Best player available over need: It "skews the whole process" if a team drafts for need, according to Newsome. He demonstrated his BPA philosophy in his first draft for the Ravens (1996), picking future Hall of Fame tackle Jonathan Ogden fourth overall even though he had a very good tackle in Tony Jones. Need versus BPA could come into play for the Jets, who own the 11th pick. They need an offensive tackle, but the best player might be a wide receiver, perhaps Jerry Jeudy or CeeDee Lamb, or a cornerback. Douglas won't reach for a need.

They will emphasize college free agency: In the mid-2000s, Newsome put Douglas in charge of coordinating the Ravens' effort in signing undrafted players. He did a "fabulous job," according to Newsome. "We've made a living getting two or three college free agents a year. It started with Joe D. and his ability to lay the foundation for that program."In fact, the Ravens have gone 16 straight years with at least one UDFA on their opening-day roster. For competitive reasons, Newsome wishes Douglas had gone to an NFC team, but he knows how badly he wanted the Jets' job. On the day his protégé was hired last June, Newsome received no fewer than three phone calls from Douglas."I was on the golf course and he kept calling me, seeking my advice about the position," Newsome said. "I knew he was ready."

I found this piece of the article particularly intriguing.  That is a crazy stat that Mosley broke that streak for the Ravens but it also speaks to why Joe Douglas is looking to retain Jamal Adams.  It's part of a successful blueprint his mentor set forth and it sounds like Joe is going to try and manage the roster similarly.

The BAP vs. need debate is interesting.  On one side, the Jets have so many needs it might not matter.  On the other, it speaks to a what if scenario "what if all the T's are gone"....sounds like he'll have no problem taking the WR and not reaching.  

The UDFA piece is also interesting; the Ravens have found some gems over the years.  Bart Scott, Priest Holmes, Dannell Ellerbe, Mike Flynn, Marques Douglas, Will Demps, Michael Pierce, Zach Orr, Justin Tucker, etc. 

 

 

[slats]

2 hours ago, KRL said:

Best player available over need: It "skews the whole process" if a team drafts for need, according to Newsome. He demonstrated his BPA philosophy in his first draft for the Ravens (1996), picking future Hall of Fame tackle Jonathan Ogden fourth overall even though he had a very good tackle in Tony Jones. Need versus BPA could come into play for the Jets, who own the 11th pick. They need an offensive tackle, but the best player might be a wide receiver, perhaps Jerry Jeudy or CeeDee Lamb, or a cornerback. Douglas won't reach for a need.

This is my amateur philosophy. BAP should take into account positional value, too, but need needs to be suppressed. Taking lesser prospects at positions of need is how you build a weaker roster over time.  

46 minutes ago, JiF said:

The BAP vs. need debate is interesting.  On one side, the Jets have so many needs it might not matter.  On the other, it speaks to a what if scenario "what if all the T's are gone"....sounds like he'll have no problem taking the WR and not reaching.  

Also says he might have a player from another position rated higher than the third or fourth OT. 

[Integrity28]

2 hours ago, section314 said:

This is incredibly positive news. He will actually listen to his guys, and not run a one man show, which is what ultimately got Macc fired.

Mac got fired for missing in every pick he made, ever.

[Integrity28]

Like I said a couple weeks ago. 2nd tier of FA.

[Jetster]

1 hour ago, slats said:

This is my amateur philosophy. BAP should take into account positional value, too, but need needs to be suppressed. Taking lesser prospects at positions of need is how you build a weaker roster over time.  

Also says he might have a player from another position rated higher than the third or fourth OT. 

And that's completely fine as long as it's a position of need, whether it's Oline, Edge or CB for this team. 

[BROOKLYN JET]

2 hours ago, nycdan said:

That and his complete lack of understanding of how a roster needs to address all 22 starting positions on the field.  And his failure to avoid overpaying lazy athletes big money guaranteed contracts.  Oh, did I mention his failure to show even a lick of skill at evaluating draft talent?

We needed a QB, Watson and Mahomes were there, we drafted back to back safeties.

[jeremy2020]

So...Flacco's gonna be the backup QB? ?

[nycdan]

38 minutes ago, BROOKLYN JET said:

We needed a QB, Watson and Mahomes were there, we drafted back to back safeties.

[bitonti]

5 hours ago, KRL said:

 

They will emphasize college free agency: In the mid-2000s, Newsome put Douglas in charge of coordinating the Ravens' effort in signing undrafted players. He did a "fabulous job," according to Newsome. "We've made a living getting two or three college free agents a year. It started with Joe D. and his ability to lay the foundation for that program."In fact, the Ravens have gone 16 straight years with at least one UDFA on their opening-day roster.  

this has been the secret sauce to why the Jets are terrible. it's not just the dumb free agent signings or the missed 3rd rounders. Robby Anderson was like the one UDFA they found in the last 10 years. Every contending program finds 1 or 2 UDFA to make a difference even if it's only in special teams 

people bashed Leo and Mo and all the first rounders (Q) but the roster has been missing a bottom for a long time, making it harder for the only half decent players to perform. 

[nycdan]

11 minutes ago, bitonti said:

this has been the secret sauce to why the Jets are terrible. it's not just the dumb free agent signings or the missed 3rd rounders. Robby Anderson was like the one UDFA they found in the last 10 years. Every contending program finds 1 or 2 UDFA to make a difference even if it's only in special teams 

people based Leo and Mo and all the first rounders (Q) but the roster has been missing a bottom for a long time, making it harder for the only half decent players to perform. 

Although in fairness, Damon Harrison was a great find as well, your point is very valid.  We have pretty much sucked at finding talent that way.  And yet so many fans still get so excited over the signings.  Greg Dortch anyone?

 

[section314]

6 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Although in fairness, Damon Harrison was a great find as well, your point is very valid.  We have pretty much sucked at finding talent that way.  And yet so many fans still get so excited over the signings.  Greg Dortch anyone?

 

Not so good in the draft or FA either.?

[Beerfish]

I am hoping he is light on his feet on draft day and can make immediate decisions on moving around in the draft, trading up and down.  (Like Newsome was)

I feel our last 2 gm have been poor at that.  Even though they did trade ups and downs most of them seemed predestined. 

[NYJ1]

That's a strong endorsement from one of the very best GM's the NFL has ever seen. I so much hope that Newsome is right about Joe. If he is it would be the first time the Jets have had a competent GM in town since about the early days of Mike Tannenbaum. Tanny did a nice job for us 2006 and 2007. However, he was terrible every year thereafter. So looking at the Jets very pathetic roster today and think.... It's been about 13 years since any GM brought in a nice infusion of talent. So no wonder why our team is garbage?

[bla bla bla]

I like the part about retaining your own players. It will be interesting to see if there is a difference when it comes to players he did not select like Robby and Jamal. 

I also find it interesting that we may go BPA, I'm looking for an excuse to take CeeDee Lamb. He's my favorite prospect in this draft but it's going to be really hard to pass on a LT if one is there.

Really good read, thanks for posting!

[jgb]

Nice piece but why isn’t JD GM of the Ravens, then?

[BCJet]

18 hours ago, bitonti said:

this has been the secret sauce to why the Jets are terrible. it's not just the dumb free agent signings or the missed 3rd rounders. Robby Anderson was like the one UDFA they found in the last 10 years. Every contending program finds 1 or 2 UDFA to make a difference even if it's only in special teams 

people bashed Leo and Mo and all the first rounders (Q) but the roster has been missing a bottom for a long time, making it harder for the only half decent players to perform. 

Not just the UDFA but the mid round picks too.  You simply can't have Dylan Donahue, Mauldin (a pick I liked at the time), Hansen, Polite,  Stewart, all out of the league.  Maybe they dont become all pros but too many of Mac's picks aren't even in the league - that just can't happen.  

[KRL]

1 minute ago, BCJet said:

Not just the UDFA but the mid round picks too.  You simply can't have Dylan Donahue, Mauldin (a pick I liked at the time), Hansen, Polite,  Stewart, all out of the league.  Maybe they dont become all pros but too many of Mac's picks aren't even in the league - that just can't happen.  

Fans basically dismiss any picks after the 3rd round, but those back end picks
are where roster depth and future starters come from

[BCJet]

21 hours ago, slats said:

This is my amateur philosophy. BAP should take into account positional value, too, but need needs to be suppressed. Taking lesser prospects at positions of need is how you build a weaker roster over time.  

Also says he might have a player from another position rated higher than the third or fourth OT. 

You can take BAP in round 1 - that does hold true as the grades have more variance in the top of the draft.

Once you get to mid or late rounds, the players are clustered much closer together so thats when you focus on team needs but also character so that the guys at the end of the roster are hard workers with good attitudes and are willing to bide their time

[Lupz27]

20 hours ago, BROOKLYN JET said:

We needed a QB, Watson and Mahomes were there, we drafted back to back safeties.

Thanks my PTSD just kicked in where’s my bong.

[#27TheDominator]

19 hours ago, nycdan said:

Although in fairness, Damon Harrison was a great find as well, your point is very valid.  We have pretty much sucked at finding talent that way.  And yet so many fans still get so excited over the signings.  Greg Dortch anyone?

 

Damon Harrison goes back to Tannenbaum.  The Rex era Jets concentrated way too much on D-Line, but what made it worse was how good they were at finding UDFA - DeVito, Pitoitua, Kerry Hyder, Snacks.  sh*t, TJ Barnes is starting for the Guardians after all this time.  I think Tannenbaum had some success with UDFA - guys like Cumberland weren't studs, but gave some production.  Outside of Anderson, there hasn't been much from the last two GMs despite the overall lack of talent which should have created opportunities.

[slats]

58 minutes ago, BCJet said:

You can take BAP in round 1 - that does hold true as the grades have more variance in the top of the draft.

Once you get to mid or late rounds, the players are clustered much closer together so thats when you focus on team needs but also character so that the guys at the end of the roster are hard workers with good attitudes and are willing to bide their time

Yes, I agree. 

BAP early, targeting specific needs later. 

[BROOKLYN JET]

3 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

Thanks my PTSD just kicked in where’s my bong.

Just say no.

[rangerous]

On 3/12/2020 at 11:17 AM, slats said:

This is my amateur philosophy. BAP should take into account positional value, too, but need needs to be suppressed. Taking lesser prospects at positions of need is how you build a weaker roster over time.  

Also says he might have a player from another position rated higher than the third or fourth OT. 

mac set the bap argument back a few notches.  i don't see how anyone can chose solely bap if there are two players that are near equals with the lesser player being the one needed or if there is a trade back situation where the bap choice can be exchanged for additional players.  i certainly understand what bap means and i agree that the really good football players will always find a place to play but with teams needing to replace about 10 players each year, positional value needs some consideration.

[jeremy2020]

9 hours ago, NYJ1 said:

That's a strong endorsement from one of the very best GM's the NFL has ever seen. I so much hope that Newsome is right about Joe. If he is it would be the first time the Jets have had a competent GM in town since about the early days of Mike Tannenbaum. Tanny did a nice job for us 2006 and 2007. However, he was terrible every year thereafter. So looking at the Jets very pathetic roster today and think.... It's been about 13 years since any GM brought in a nice infusion of talent. So no wonder why our team is garbage?

Now if we could only get Wolf and Casserly to weigh in

[jgb]

On 3/12/2020 at 6:43 PM, nycdan said:

Although in fairness, Damon Harrison was a great find as well, your point is very valid.  We have pretty much sucked at finding talent that way.  And yet so many fans still get so excited over the signings.  Greg Dortch anyone?

 

Jets fans love their JAGs while hating on our studs who expect to be paid

[slats]

16 hours ago, rangerous said:

mac set the bap argument back a few notches.  i don't see how anyone can chose solely bap if there are two players that are near equals with the lesser player being the one needed or if there is a trade back situation where the bap choice can be exchanged for additional players.  i certainly understand what bap means and i agree that the really good football players will always find a place to play but with teams needing to replace about 10 players each year, positional value needs some consideration.

Lol, in the post you quoted, I specifically said that positional value should be taken into account. 

[maury77]

Nice piece but why isn’t JD GM of the Ravens, then?

Because Eric Da Costa had been waiting in the wings as the successor to Newsome


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[rangerous]

2 hours ago, slats said:

Lol, in the post you quoted, I specifically said that positional value should be taken into account. 

i'm pretty sure i meant team needs as well.  i suppose you can suppress the needs to a large extent like gettleman did when he drafted barkley over a qb but then you run the risk of not getting a position filled that the team needs.

[ljr]

good read ... any other poster i'd bust their b*lls for self-congratulations (i know it was meant in good humor) 

the fact that Ogden was LT is important too ... Ozzy was smart enough to take premium position into the equation ... i'd expect he wouldn't have made the same decision at many other positions ... smart enough to make reasonable decisions on each player/positions/current player info/contract status of existing player/cap status / etc /etc ... on an individual case basis ... not a stone cold hard set rule of BAP on the board

[slats]

1 hour ago, rangerous said:

i'm pretty sure i meant team needs as well.  i suppose you can suppress the needs to a large extent like gettleman did when he drafted barkley over a qb but then you run the risk of not getting a position filled that the team needs.

If I’m weighing positional value, then I’m taking the QB before a safety or a RB. For the Jets this year, it would be almost impossible for the BAP to not also fill a need early. Either an OT, WR, or EDGE. If it’s not the OT, I know a lot of people here will be upset, but I’d prefer JD to stick to his board and take the best player. 

[rangerous]

59 minutes ago, slats said:

If I’m weighing positional value, then I’m taking the QB before a safety or a RB. For the Jets this year, it would be almost impossible for the BAP to not also fill a need early. Either an OT, WR, or EDGE. If it’s not the OT, I know a lot of people here will be upset, but I’d prefer JD to stick to his board and take the best player. 

totally agree on that.  it's almost impossible to pick a bad player at the positioned you mentioned with the eleventh pick.  the way things are looking, with maybe 4 qb's in the top 10, they're looking at the best or second best player at OT WR or edge depending on how the draft breaks.  i'd even throw CB into the mix.

[JetsFanShawn]

On 3/12/2020 at 9:37 AM, nycdan said:

That and his complete lack of understanding of how a roster needs to address all 22 starting positions on the field.  And his failure to avoid overpaying lazy athletes big money guaranteed contracts.  Oh, did I mention his failure to show even a lick of skill at evaluating draft talent?

i think that hiring joe dougles is what the jets need