Interesting Take on Darnold

[Dunnie]

That I agree with .. only I'm giving him this year to prove to me that he is indeed 'the man'.

 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/07/new-york-jets-sam-darnold

 

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[shevys]

Meh. I think he's got "it" and will shine this year. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part, but he looks the role more than anyone we've had in a long time. 

I certainly don't agree with the author that Darnold's body of work is comprised of more bad than good. That's absurd on the face of it. But the bottom line is he needs to step up this season and shut the critics up OR we need to consider other options. I hope it's the former. 

[Losmeister]

By this point in a quarterback’s career, you can usually find something in the numbers that provides a glimmer of hope. That’s not really the case for Darnold, who has been a bottom-10 quarterback in just about every split you can come up with. In 2019, he ranked 29th in expected points added per play on clean dropbacks with no play-action. That doesn’t bode well.

 

[PepPep]

24 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

 

That I agree with .. only I'm giving him this year to prove to me that he is indeed 'the man'.

 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/07/new-york-jets-sam-darnold

 

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"In 2019, he ranked 29th in expected points added per play on clean dropbacks with no play-action. That doesn’t bode well."

Cut him! Bust! 

[Mogglez]

*Sees the article citing PFF*

*Close tab*

[Mogglez]

6 hours ago, Losmeister said:

By this point in a quarterback’s career, you can usually find something in the numbers that provides a glimmer of hope. That’s not really the case for Darnold, who has been a bottom-10 quarterback in just about every split you can come up with. In 2019, he ranked 29th in expected points added per play on clean dropbacks with no play-action. That doesn’t bode well.

 

Cherry on top:

"Expected points added per dropback" was a "stat" literally made up by someone on Reddit. I personally posted in the thread he announced his findings in.

For what it's worth that "stat" had Josh Allen below Sam and right between Mitch Trubisky and Blake Bortles in everything except rushing EPA/DB in 2019.  I'm not a Josh Allen fan, but you can't tell me with a straight face that you'd rather have Trubisky and Bortles over Josh Allen and Daniel Jones.

Look, If Sam sucks, he sucks.  If he improves, he improves.  That's it.  There were tons of "alarming" things pointed out and written about Lamar Jackson after his rookie year, and he just improved and won a unanimous MVP award.  There is no need for pseudo-analytics from random Redditors to make a point.  The good ones rise to the occasion and the bad ones flop.  Time will tell what happens with Sam.

[slats]

I believe in Darnold. Good QB, terrible team. Hopefully we see it this year with the triage Joe D did on the OL and with the WR corps. I have a legitimate amount of optimism, cautious as it may be. 

I'll say this: if the Jets are even sniffing the playoffs this year, it's not the defense people are gonna be talking about; it'll be Sam. And you naysayers? Find your own ****ing bandwagon, you're not welcome on mine. 

[Dunnie]

I believe in Darnold. Good QB, terrible team. Hopefully we see it this year with the triage Joe D did on the OL and with the WR corps. I have a legitimate amount of optimism, cautious as it may be. 
I'll say this: if the Jets are even sniffing the playoffs this year, it's not the defense people are gonna be talking about; it'll be Sam. And you naysayers? Find your own ****ing bandwagon, you're not welcome on mine. 

I praying he is the Man ... I could not stand another project next year.

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[Beerfish]

Some of the worst talent in the league to deal with and the worse oline and unfortunatly a sh*tty O coach as well.

[maury77]

In the article, the author compares Winston, who has been throwing to Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Perriman, DeSean Jackson, Cameron Brate and OJ Howard to Darnold, who has been throwing to ......

[Dunnie]

In the article, the author compares Winston, who has been throwing to Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Perriman, DeSean Jackson, Cameron Brate and OJ Howard to Darnold, who has been throwing to ......

Robby Andersen, Chris Herndon, Jameson Crowder, LeVeon Bell...

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[nico002]

Sounds like an article written by someone that’s never watched a Jets game 

[Mogglez]

Bonus: After extensive digging (looking through his Twitter over the course of the years) the author of this article is a Patriots fan.

[Arsis]

21 minutes ago, nico002 said:

Sounds like an article written by someone that’s never watched a Jets game 

Had anyone actually watched a jet game in the last 3 years? They still televise those things?

 

I usually watch the highlights the next day. 5 minutes of dropped balls and missed tackles.

[Charlie Brown]

1 hour ago, maury77 said:

In the article, the author compares Winston, who has been throwing to Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Perriman, DeSean Jackson, Cameron Brate and OJ Howard to Darnold, who has been throwing to ......

THANK YOU!!!

You are the first person to state the obvious, that Sam Darnold's offensive talent SUCKED compared to what Winston has been throwing to!

Indeed, it can be argued that TB has the most talent in the ENTIRE NFL at the WR position!

Silly people making dumb comparisons aren't even worth the key strokes.....

[JustInFudge]

This is one of the dumbest assessments I've ever read in my entire life;

 

Over the course of those 120 plays, there wasn’t a lot of quarterbacking to be found. It was all quick passes to his first read or backyard football and little in between. Darnold is actually really good in both areas. He was at his most accurate in the quick game, when he pretty much knew where he was going with the ball before the snap.

[bla bla bla]

1 hour ago, Mogglez said:

Cherry on top:

"Expected points added per dropback" was a "stat" literally made up by someone on Reddit. I personally posted in the thread he announced his findings in.

For what it's worth that "stat" had Josh Allen below Sam and right between Mitch Trubisky and Blake Bortles in everything except rushing EPA/DB in 2019.  I'm not a Josh Allen fan, but you can't tell me with a straight face that you'd rather have Trubisky and Bortles over Josh Allen and Daniel Jones.

If Sam sucks, he sucks.  If he improves, he improves.  That's it.  There is no need for pseudo-analytics from random Redditors.

Sam is absolutely the truth! If that OL can play at a top 15 level there is a legit shot we make the playoffs. It may take a little longer for the OL to gel together but Sam will be a consistent top 5 QB when this is all said and done.

[Mo Lew]

And Los disappears 

 

nothing like hanging out on a jets board to hate on the best player on the team. 

[SAR I]

2 hours ago, PepPep said:

"In 2019, he ranked 29th in expected points added per play on clean dropbacks with no play-action. That doesn’t bode well."

Cut him! Bust! 

Mono never happened!  Record amount of injuries never happened!  The Jets were predicted to go 12-4!  Fire Sam Darnold!

These idiots with too many statistics and no common sense. 

SAR I

[SOJ]

Let the evaluation start this year WHEN the OL finally gels and can execute plays without looking like the key-stone cops.  You know maybe open holes for RB, given him more the 1.5 sec to decided where to throw the ball and hopefully  A LOT better PC.  Then if he falters then maybe its time to move on... but I don't think so...  

BTW - he does need to improve his footwork! Hopefully he spent time this off season learnings how to use his legs and torso to throw the ball which should increase velocity and accuracy. 

[GreekJet]

I appreciate the fact that we’ve got more ways to evaluate the QB position than standard QB rating (which I think we can all agree is flawed). That said some of this is a little absurd. There are so many of these advanced metrics out there that you can literally pick and choose different ones to fit your narrative. 

Here is how this article should read in one sentence:

Sam Darnold has done OK for a 21-22 year old in a tough situation (Mono, bad roster, gase), but he needs to make significant progress over the next few seasons to justify his draft position.

When you tell me that he’s been on par with Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith his first two years based on some metrics that’s when you lose me. As bad as Darnolds ghost game was last year I don’t think it even comes close to Geno’s 3 INT in 1 quarter masterpiece against the Bills.  

[IndianaJet]

Steven Ruiz (the author of the article) can go eat a bag of dicks.

Here's another hot take from him:

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article224076765.html

Quote

#10 Chiefs - Patrick Mahomes, C-

“Calling Mahomes a project is a major understatement. He’s nowhere near ready to play in the NFL. And, honestly, he may never be. Between his inconsistent accuracy due to poor mechanics, his tendency to bail from clean pockets and his lack of field vision, he’s going to leave as many big plays on the field as he creates. This was a risky pick.”

It doesn't bode well for a wanna be NFL writer when you start to type in his name in Google and it autofills: Steven Ruiz Patrick Mahomnes

 

[Lurker89]

Look... If we were to get a generational talent at QB I'd expect us to ruin him.

Good, great, or bad QB of the NYJ seems to a cosmic sacrificial lamb.

Enjoy the show... Watch the flames, they're perpetuity is comforting in a horrific sort of way.

[Jetworks]

3 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Cherry on top:

"Expected points added per dropback" was a "stat" literally made up by someone on Reddit. I personally posted in the thread he announced his findings in.

For what it's worth that "stat" had Josh Allen below Sam and right between Mitch Trubisky and Blake Bortles in everything except rushing EPA/DB in 2019.  I'm not a Josh Allen fan, but you can't tell me with a straight face that you'd rather have Trubisky and Bortles over Josh Allen and Daniel Jones.

If Sam sucks, he sucks.  If he improves, he improves.  That's it.  There is no need for pseudo-analytics from random Redditors.

This right here is what is commonly called a shutdown post, boys and girls. Well done, well done. 

[pdxgreen]

"Raging debate"  

On Sam and Josh's golf game.  That's to be sure.

[GreekJet]

1 hour ago, IndianaJet said:

Steven Ruiz (the author of the article) can go eat a bag of dicks.

Here's another hot take from him:

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article224076765.html

It doesn't bode well for a wanna be NFL writer when you start to type in his name in Google and it autfills: Steven Ruiz Patrick Mahomnes

 

Its one guys opinion. If you want to read about how great Sam Darnold is you can find content all over the internet. 
 

The truth is none of it matters. Darnold is going to next year likely another year after that. 

[14 in Green]

6 minutes ago, GreekJet said:

 

The truth is none of it matters. Darnold is going to.    next year likely another year after that. 

Nice. 

The new guy is going to be letting us fill in the blank and finish his sentences.

I like him already!!!

[Losmeister]

i hope he does well.

i think we was way overhyped. we'll see. 

absolutl;ey nothing he does that other qbs cant do,

[GreekJet]

5 hours ago, Losmeister said:

i hope he does well.

i think we was way overhyped. we'll see. 

absolutl;ey nothing he does that other qbs cant do,

I’m not even sure what that means. He was a consensus top 3-5 pick in the draft and a lot of folks thought he was worth taking #1 overall. He certainly has plenty of tools to work with. 

I think it’s time to start pointing the finger at the organization and the way they are developing these guys. Darnold is the fifth QB the Jets have invested a first of second round pick in since 2006 and the story had been largely the same with each one (some worse than others).
 

Let’s trade up a ton of assets to take this 20 year old QB and hope he’s good enough day 1 to overcome all the mistakes we’ve made building the offense the last decade. We are going to task Todd Bowles (defensive coach) and Jeremy Bates (currently unemployed) to get him to that point after five weeks of practice. What can go wrong? 
 

 

 

[Bowles Movement]

6 hours ago, Losmeister said:

i hope he does well.

i think we was way overhyped. we'll see. 

absolutl;ey nothing he does that other qbs cant do,

You haven’t been watching then

[Dunnie]

THANK YOU!!!
You are the first person to state the obvious, that Sam Darnold's offensive talent SUCKED compared to what Winston has been throwing to!
Indeed, it can be argued that TB has the most talent in the ENTIRE NFL at the WR position!
Silly people making dumb comparisons aren't even worth the key strokes.....

Clearly you'd haven't been around a long enough to realize that this forum has been all over Robbie Anderson's schlong proclaiming him a number one wide receiver worthy of 17 mill per

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[Dunnie]

And Los disappears 
 
nothing like hanging out on a jets board to hate on the best player on the team. 

You mean Jamal ?

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[Dunnie]

Mono never happened!  Record amount of injuries never happened!  The Jets were predicted to go 12-4!  Fire Sam Darnold!
These idiots with too many statistics and no common sense. 

SAR I

Did you even read the article .. more than half of it was dedicated to Sam's stellar footwork

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[Dunnie]

This right here is what is commonly called a shutdown post, boys and girls. Well done, well done. 

Sure because clean pockets and roses are what NFL realities are made out of.

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[whodeawhodat]

13 hours ago, slats said:

I believe in Darnold. Good QB, terrible team. Hopefully we see it this year with the triage Joe D did on the OL and with the WR corps. I have a legitimate amount of optimism, cautious as it may be. 

I'll say this: if the Jets are even sniffing the playoffs this year, it's not the defense people are gonna be talking about; it'll be Sam. And you naysayers? Find your own ****ing bandwagon, you're not welcome on mine. 

im riding shotgun baby!  I liked everything I saw when he returned from mono.  The one thing that he needs to improve on is his deep ball accuracy. the strength is there, but he missed quite a few deep balls last year. the short to intermediate stuff he can thread a needle.