Does the Rex Ryan regime still look so bad?

[sciond]

circus over this crap anyday

[predator_05]

On 10/4/2020 at 6:50 AM, sourceworx said:

I feel as if Rex could still be an excellent coach. Just don't allow him to make personnel decisions.

Disagree. The game has passed him by. Happens with everyone. 

 

Rex was a good DC/HC in the 2000s. He was innovative, his father Buddy ryan's '46 defense' had the best disguises, and Rex had complete mastery over that scheme. He was a great hire at the time. 46 would allow you to dominate the line of scrimmage, applying pressure while rendering up-tempo short-range passing games ineffective. Refs were also more lenient on defensive players. 

The game has changed significantly since then; to a point where 46 doesn't give you an advantage anymore. Noodle armed QBs didn't throw downfield as often in the 2000s; and the 46 could never stop the long range 'chunk play' to those quick-footed wide receivers. His defenders would be considered over-aggressive by today's standards, surrendering big penalty yardage. Rex could no longer count on a stud cornerback erasing half the field. 

As you'd expect, the patriots were among the first to recognize this, and they ran up 40 points in 3 quarters against Ryan's Buffalo bills in back to back seasons. They barely ran the ball in those 2 games, Brady was consistently hitting on big plays to Dobson and Chris hogan. 

Those who don't evolve with the times, get left behind. Rex ryan has been left behind. Belichick, on the other hand, stays as current as possible, which is very impressive.

[Philc1]

6 hours ago, sciond said:

circus over this crap anyday

Rex went 8-8 with Geno Smith and a worse offensive roster than what we have now beating teams like the Patriots and Saints

 

But Rex sucks 

[Philc1]

2 hours ago, predator_05 said:

Disagree. The game has passed him by. Happens with everyone. 

 

Rex was a good DC/HC in the 2000s. He was innovative, his father Buddy ryan's '46 defense' had the best disguises, and Rex had complete mastery over that scheme. He was a great hire at the time. 46 would allow you to dominate the line of scrimmage, applying pressure while rendering up-tempo short-range passing games ineffective. Refs were also more lenient on defensive players. 

The game has changed significantly since then; to a point where 46 doesn't give you an advantage anymore. Noodle armed QBs didn't throw downfield as often in the 2000s; and the 46 could never stop the long range 'chunk play' to those quick-footed wide receivers. His defenders would be considered over-aggressive by today's standards, surrendering big penalty yardage. Rex could no longer count on a stud cornerback erasing half the field. 

As you'd expect, the patriots were among the first to recognize this, and they ran up 40 points in 3 quarters against Ryan's Buffalo bills in back to back seasons. They barely ran the ball in those 2 games, Brady was consistently hitting on big plays to Dobson and Chris hogan. 

Those who don't evolve with the times, get left behind. Rex ryan has been left behind. Belichick, on the other hand, stays as current as possible, which is very impressive.

I love these “game passed him by” comments.  I was hearing the same thing about Jon Gruden last 2 years.  Did the game of football stop getting played with a football and now with a drone or something?

 

We have zero shot at any big name coaching hires.  The names I’m hearing like Bienemy are meh at best.  Hire Rex to do the defense and Bates to handle offense

[predator_05]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

I love these “game passed him by” comments.  I was hearing the same thing about Jon Gruden last 2 years.  Did the game of football stop getting played with a football and now with a drone or something?

 

We have zero shot at any big name coaching hires.  The names I’m hearing like Bienemy are meh at best.  Hire Rex to do the defense and Bates to handle offense

 

The game, like everything else in society, has evolved. That's a fact. 

Gruden's acumen is better than Rex ryan's. He stayed current by watching football every single week as an announcer, he's a workaholic - much like belichick - and he's obviously got a much bigger profile. Whether he's successful or not remains to be seen, but there's greater respect for him in NFL hierarchy. 

Rex's defensive schemes are outdated, and we saw evidence of this when he was coaching Buffalo. He was on the same stuff he ran in the mid 2000s with the Ravens. I'd be surprised if anyone hires him. 

 

[More Cowbell]

On 10/3/2020 at 8:34 AM, NYJ1 said:

After 4 years of ?and one full season plus of Adam Gase, are you still so down on Rex Ryan? I'm not. Rex Ryan would definitely have had this team playing better over the last 5+ seasons. The one constant would be DEFENSE. Rex's defense was never any worse than what? 10th? In toilets regime the defense steadily fell in ranking into the 20's. Currently, under Greg Williams, this defense is giving up 30+ points per game to guys that have never started an NFL game. Put Rex back here and give him a GM that knows how to select talent? That sounds to me to be INFINITELY better than any of the last almost 6 seasons.....

What is this affinity for Rex. Rex was a horrible coach who inherited a damn good team and proceeded to wreck it. He also didn't even know what was going on on the offensive side of the ball and got Sanchez killed in a meaningless pre-season game. Yeah, that is who I want leading the team now. 

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

I love these “game passed him by” comments.  I was hearing the same thing about Jon Gruden last 2 years.  Did the game of football stop getting played with a football and now with a drone or something?

 

We have zero shot at any big name coaching hires.  The names I’m hearing like Bienemy are meh at best.  Hire Rex to do the defense and Bates to handle offense

Comparing Rex to Gruden is like comparing a Mustang to a Farrari. 

Rex talked about winning a SB, Gruden won a SB. 

[UntouchableCrew]

On 10/3/2020 at 9:42 AM, Gastineau Lives said:

Teams turn around very quickly in today's NFL, to blame someone for ten years of futility doesn't make sense to me. 

 

This is really the truth.

When you suck for ten years there are a lot of people responsible, most notably the guys who are doing all the hiring.

[Philc1]

21 minutes ago, predator_05 said:

 

The game, like everything else in society, has evolved. That's a fact. 

Gruden's acumen is better than Rex ryan's. He stayed current by watching football every single week as an announcer, he's a workaholic - much like belichick - and he's obviously got a much bigger profile. Whether he's successful or not remains to be seen, but there's greater respect for him in NFL hierarchy. 

Rex's defensive schemes are outdated, and we saw evidence of this when he was coaching Buffalo. He was on the same stuff he ran in the mid 2000s with the Ravens. I'd be surprised if anyone hires him. 

 

I didn’t know the rules of football changed after Rex left

[Philc1]

13 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Comparing Rex to Gruden is like comparing a Mustang to a Farrari. 

Rex talked about winning a SB, Gruden won a SB. 

And Rex got closer to winning a SB than any other coach the jets have had since Weeb Ewbank and that includes Bill Parcells 

 

Gruden struggles for years in Tampa after winning a Super Bowl.  Everyone loses and comes back to earth except Belichick who had the GOAT QB for 20 years and now is struggling without him

[More Cowbell]

8 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

And Rex got closer to winning a SB than any other coach the jets have had since Weeb Ewbank and that includes Bill Parcells 

 

Gruden struggles for years in Tampa after winning a Super Bowl.  Everyone loses and comes back to earth except Belichick who had the GOAT QB for 20 years and now is struggling without him

Uh, you do know Parcells lost to Denver in The AFCCG, right? 

On top of that, Rex lost to a Pit team we should have beaten to get to the SB. 

Also, as far as your Gruden critiques, Gruden won a SB and did struggle with TN after that because maintaining is harder than building with the way the league is. Rex didn't win a SB and after the 2 year run in the playoffs, never even sniffed them again. So yeah, go talk about that man cruah all you want. Rex was a lousy HC and it is why he is a 2nd rate commentator today.

[pdxgreen]

Yes.  Gase was just much, much worse.

[slimjasi]

Again, folks:

The yearning for Rex is nothing more than nostalgia run amok. You are daydreaming about Rex because he was the coach when we last had any success (and oversaw two of the best playoff runs in franchise history). You are compartmentalizing 2009/2010 from 2011-2014. 

When you look at Rex's body of work objectively, you see that he coached 8 years in the NFL and had 2 winnings seasons - his first two. There is a reason he has been out of the league since 2016. 

[Irish Jet]

We need to bring him back so he can make fools of the doubters once more.

[jmat321]

Compared to Gase, doesn't look so bad.  The biggest mistake in recent franchise history was not firing Rex and Tanny together when Andy Reid was on the market.  

[Philc1]

55 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Uh, you do know Parcells lost to Denver in The AFCCG, right? 

On top of that, Rex lost to a Pit team we should have beaten to get to the SB. 

Also, as far as your Gruden critiques, Gruden won a SB and did struggle with TN after that because maintaining is harder than building with the way the league is. Rex didn't win a SB and after the 2 year run in the playoffs, never even sniffed them again. So yeah, go talk about that man cruah all you want. Rex was a lousy HC and it is why he is a 2nd rate commentator today.

Uh I do know Rex went to 2 AFCGs and Bill Parcells 1.  And yes before you do the schoolyard nonsense “oh you think Rex is better than Parcells” no I don’t but facts are facts Rex is statistically our most successful head coach since Ewbank.  Best is Parcells but statistically it’s Rex.  
 

and Rex is way better than Bowles and Gase and whatever clown Woody handpicks next to replace Gase

[varjet]

No one is seriously thinking that Rex should be re-hired as the Jets coach, and I don't think any other NFL teams are seriously thinking about re-hiring Rex long-term either.

But the current coaching situation at the Jets is such a poopshow that I would say that:

• The Rex Ryan regime was much better.
• I would give him a chance to come back as an interim with the challenge to inspire the players and help clean up the mess.  Throw out Gase and Williams, Boyer can be HC, JBC OC, Rex DC.  

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

We need to bring him back so he can make fools of the doubters once more.

The University of Miami didn't even give him an interview.

The entire NFL and every P5 school of value has deemed Rex Ryan unworthy of being a Head Coach.  Since 2016.

[kmnj]

I would take Rex back over Gase I would even massage his wifes feet for him

[slimjasi]

On 10/7/2020 at 9:16 AM, Philc1 said:

And Rex got closer to winning a SB than any other coach the jets have had since Weeb Ewbank and that includes Bill Parcells 

How did he get "closer" than Bill Parcells to winning a SB? 

The 98 Jets would have almost definitely beaten Atlanta in the SB had they hung onto their 10-0 lead and would have absolutely been favored in the game. Would the Jets have been favored against the Saints in 2009 or the Packers in 2010?

 

[Philc1]

On 10/7/2020 at 2:03 PM, slimjasi said:

How did he get "closer" than Bill Parcells to winning a SB? 

The 98 Jets would have almost definitely beaten Atlanta in the SB had they hung onto their 10-0 lead and would have absolutely been favored in the game. Would the Jets have in been favored against the Saints in 2009 or the Packers in 2010?

 

The 1998 jets lost the AFCG by 13 points. The 2010 jets team lost the AFCG by 5 points 

 

Sorry if I’m right in every way possible about this

[slimjasi]

41 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

The 1998 jets lost the AFCG by 13 points. The 2010 jets team lost the AFCG by 5 points 

 

Sorry if I’m right in every way possible about this

That doesn’t mean what you think it means 

[Philc1]

9 hours ago, slimjasi said:

That doesn’t mean what you think it means 

No it only means Rex was closer to a SB than any other coach.  Statistically, figuratively, really

[slimjasi]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

No it only means Rex was closer to a SB than any other coach.  Statistically, figuratively, really

figuratively? That makes no sense. 

[Francis Sawyer 37]

On 10/6/2020 at 6:14 PM, Beerfish said:

And they made the grossly wrong choice.

Its amazing that Rex won as many games as he did. Sanchez couldnt read defenses.

 

[Creepy Lurker]

We all know what’s going to happen. No coach will want to come here. Woody will come back and take charge again, hire Schottenheimer as Head Coach and Rex as DC. Super Bowl baby!!!!

[southparkcpa]

On 10/7/2020 at 10:29 AM, More Cowbell said:

Uh, you do know Parcells lost to Denver in The AFCCG, right? 

On top of that, Rex lost to a Pit team we should have beaten to get to the SB. 

Also, as far as your Gruden critiques, Gruden won a SB and did struggle with TN after that because maintaining is harder than building with the way the league is. Rex didn't win a SB and after the 2 year run in the playoffs, never even sniffed them again. So yeah, go talk about that man cruah all you want. Rex was a lousy HC and it is why he is a 2nd rate commentator today.

And he made a Buffalo team even worse.  REX is a bloated fat slob with a 1990 approach to football. 

[southtown24th]

Is this a joke?

Best "regime" since 1969.

Count it!

[Francis Sawyer 37]

13 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said:

We all know what’s going to happen. No coach will want to come here. Woody will come back and take charge again, hire Schottenheimer as Head Coach and Rex as DC. Super Bowl baby!!!!

Not if the Jets have the 1st pick this draft.

The next HC to win a Super Bowl as a NY Jet will never buy another meal or drink in the city again. Jets are due for something good. History will just repeat itself without a franchise once in a generation QB.

[doitny]

Rex biggest skill is hes a great motivator. you give him a 500 team he could win a SB. and Rex is not a bad coach. in 6 jet seasons he was over 500 twice, at 500 twice and below it twice. and he would have had 2 season at 500 in buffalo if he didnt get fired before his last game. is that great? no of course not but the way you guys sound its like asking if we could bring rich kotite back or Bowels. if Rex ever had a QB he could win big. 

did you see the Giants game? did you see when the refs called 2 penalties  to take away those TDs ? Joe Judge was livid. taking off his mask to yell at the refs. when have you ever seen Gase yell at anybody? Bowels? we all remember Rex doing it. sometimes your players need a kick in the ass. it was so nice to have a coach who was tough enough to say he wasnt going to kiss anybodys ring. 

dont worry . im sure they wont bring him back. but he wants it. i listen to him every monday on Barts ESPN show. he doesnt hide the fact that he bleeds Jets green . as bad as this club has been run its nice to see that someone who was here still loves the Jets and wants to come back. 

i will take Rex back. i know what we get with him if we can put a little more talent on this team. players play for Rex. and he can handle the media. 

[jgb]

5 hours ago, doitny said:

Rex biggest skill is hes a great motivator. you give him a 500 team he could win a SB. and Rex is not a bad coach. in 6 jet seasons he was over 500 twice, at 500 twice and below it twice. and he would have had 2 season at 500 in buffalo if he didnt get fired before his last game. is that great? no of course not but the way you guys sound its like asking if we could bring rich kotite back or Bowels. if Rex ever had a QB he could win big. 

did you see the Giants game? did you see when the refs called 2 penalties  to take away those TDs ? Joe Judge was livid. taking off his mask to yell at the refs. when have you ever seen Gase yell at anybody? Bowels? we all remember Rex doing it. sometimes your players need a kick in the ass. it was so nice to have a coach who was tough enough to say he wasnt going to kiss anybodys ring. 

dont worry . im sure they wont bring him back. but he wants it. i listen to him every monday on Barts ESPN show. he doesnt hide the fact that he bleeds Jets green . as bad as this club has been run its nice to see that someone who was here still loves the Jets and wants to come back. 

i will take Rex back. i know what we get with him if we can put a little more talent on this team. players play for Rex. and he can handle the media. 

Rex is the king of momentum. When things are going well, he keeps the party going. When things are going badly... look out below.