cookiemonsta911 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I have watched enough of Trevor, he is not the answer. I also told you Darnold was not going to be good, he lacked accuracy and bad decisions in college. Last game vs ohio st he sucked in the bowl games at usc. Lawrence is better, but not elite. Misses too many throws, Wilson from Byu has the arm , accuracy, and smarts to be a great qb. No doubt here. With the Seattle pick we need to select a running back or a guard. But I would trade down from 1 to 2 or 3, and collect picks and take Wilson. One wr I want is to sign Benjamin Victor from the Giants practice squad, I think he has upside Watch the 6:03 catch , he is making people miss at 6 foot 4. He is a slow boomer, but he is elite folks. I am Ohio St fan who thought he had a lot of untapped potential. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cookiemonsta911 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, King P said: Watch trevor vs lsu. Again he is not the answer and neither is darnold. Yes Flacco has outplayed Sam , 80 rating vs 65 in 4 games vs Darnold's 6. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookiemonsta911 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 A lot of the top qbs didn't go in the top 5 , russ / arod / mahomes. You guys stop watching open coverage qb tds and what they are actually doing. Wilson moves people with eyes in the pocket. He is what I want. I need smart qbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookiemonsta911 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 Brady 6th round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I no longer believe in Zach Wilson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookiemonsta911 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, kdels62 said: I no longer believe in Zach Wilson I would hire Mark Dantonio as coach. He reminds me of Pete Carroll . Dantonio/ Zach Wilson is the combo we need. I think smart people leading us. That is a start. If you know anything about Mark D, he is the best defensive mind in the world in football YES better than Bill or Saban. He studied under Tressel on the great Ohio St 2002 team as d coordinator. Owned Meyer and Harbaugh in big games, and better record at Mich St than Saban. He makes you adjust to his 3 / 4 scheme and his special teams make you win games if they are close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 He plays against teams like McNeese, Utah STATE, NIU, UMass, NM State, TROY, NORTHERN Alabama etc, etc lol And he's already suffered an injury that required shoulder surgery (and has yet to take an NFL hit). Lol Compared to... Are you absolutely nuts or something?!?!? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, cookiemonsta911 said: have watched enough of Trevor, he is not the answer. I also told you Darnold was not going to be good, he lacked accuracy and bad decisions in college. Last game vs ohio st he sucked in the bowl games at usc. Well if you say you watched enough of him to be able to tell, I guess that’s that man. Thanks for showing us the truth. 13 minutes ago, cookiemonsta911 said: Lawrence is better, but not elite. Misses too many throws, Didn’t Josh Allen throw 58% in college? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Defense Wins Championships said: He plays against teams like McNeese, Utah STATE, NIU, UMass, NM State, TROY, NORTHERN Alabama etc, etc lol And he's already suffered an injury that required shoulder surgery (and has yet to take an NFL hit). Lol Compared to... Are you absolutely nuts or something?!?!? Those schools on Trevor Lawrence’s list must feel dumb for not offering Wilson a scholarship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 The guy everyone has been drooling over for 3 years is suddenly within our grasp, and we still can't be happy. You are even skipping over Joe Fields to fawn over a guy most boards have ranked anywhere from 3 to 5 among the 2021 QBs. Lawrence threw for 83 TDs against 14 INTs in 995 attempts (so far). Wilson threw for 49 TDs against 14 INTS in 738 attempts (so far). Last year he was 11 TD vs. 9 INT. So that tells me Lawrence throw for more TDs and less INTs per pass attempt, but a substantial margin both ways. Against tougher competition. And Wilson was pretty bad last season so you're jumping onto a one-year wonder who wasn't nearly as wonderful as Burrow was last year. Again against lesser competition. Wilson might be very good. But I could just as easily see him becoming a 2nd tier starter. Or worse. You can get lost in a subjective eye test, but there is no GM on earth who would give up Lawrence and draft Wilson. Not...even...Mike....Macaggnan. If we get #1, draft Lawrence. Ride or die with him. If we get #2, probably draft Fields and do same. After that, it gets interesting but I might load up on other positions at that point. TL/DR: No. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I used to dump his books 35 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookiemonsta911 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, nycdan said: The guy everyone has been drooling over for 3 years is suddenly within our grasp, and we still can't be happy. You are even skipping over Joe Fields to fawn over a guy most boards have ranked anywhere from 3 to 5 among the 2021 QBs. Lawrence threw for 83 TDs against 14 INTs in 995 attempts (so far). Wilson threw for 49 TDs against 14 INTS in 738 attempts (so far). Last year he was 11 TD vs. 9 INT. So that tells me Lawrence throw for more TDs and less INTs per pass attempt, but a substantial margin both ways. Against tougher competition. And Wilson was pretty bad last season so you're jumping onto a one-year wonder who wasn't nearly as wonderful as Burrow was last year. Again against lesser competition. Wilson might be very good. But I could just as easily see him becoming a 2nd tier starter. Or worse. You can get lost in a subjective eye test, but there is no GM on earth who would give up Lawrence and draft Wilson. Not...even...Mike....Macaggnan. If we get #1, draft Lawrence. Ride or die with him. If we get #2, probably draft Fields and do same. After that, it gets interesting but I might load up on other positions at that point. TL/DR: No. Watch the tape . Arm angles, Velocity . I don't care about sure things. ALWAYS ALWAYS draft upside. 2 minutes ago, nycdan said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsbb Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Joe Douglas won't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, nycdan said: The guy everyone has been drooling over for 3 years is suddenly within our grasp, and we still can't be happy. You are even skipping over Joe Fields to fawn over a guy most boards have ranked anywhere from 3 to 5 among the 2021 QBs. Lawrence threw for 83 TDs against 14 INTs in 995 attempts (so far). Wilson threw for 49 TDs against 14 INTS in 738 attempts (so far). Last year he was 11 TD vs. 9 INT. So that tells me Lawrence throw for more TDs and less INTs per pass attempt, but a substantial margin both ways. Against tougher competition. And Wilson was pretty bad last season so you're jumping onto a one-year wonder who wasn't nearly as wonderful as Burrow was last year. Again against lesser competition. Wilson might be very good. But I could just as easily see him becoming a 2nd tier starter. Or worse. You can get lost in a subjective eye test, but there is no GM on earth who would give up Lawrence and draft Wilson. Not...even...Mike....Macaggnan. If we get #1, draft Lawrence. Ride or die with him. If we get #2, probably draft Fields and do same. After that, it gets interesting but I might load up on other positions at that point. TL/DR: No. Well said. One QB has a 35-1 record with a 5.92 TD-to-INT Ratio the other a record of 18-9 with a TD-to-INT Ratio of 3.5. One QB has been to two National Championship Games, the highest rated QB prospect since Elway/Manning and the only True Freshman to ever win a National Championship since dating back to 35 years ago of 1985 while destroying both Notre Dame and ALABAMA while the other is playing against teams like McNeese, Troy and NORTHERN Alabama etc etc Disgusting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Defense Wins Championships Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jetsbb said: Joe Douglas won't do it. No GM would do it (without getting FIRED). Passing up on Lawrence for Wilson lol would be 10x worse than Macc passing up on Watson/Mahomes because we drafted Hack the year before... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I like Wilson, but taking Lawrence at #1 is a no brainer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 CookieMonsta and DWC posting in the same thread....2020 is looking to be the worst year ever 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 37 minutes ago, cookiemonsta911 said: I have watched enough of Trevor, he is not the answer. I also told you Darnold was not going to be good, he lacked accuracy and bad decisions in college. Last game vs ohio st he sucked in the bowl games at usc. Lawrence is better, but not elite. Misses too many throws, Wilson from Byu has the arm , accuracy, and smarts to be a great qb. No doubt here. With the Seattle pick we need to select a running back or a guard. But I would trade down from 1 to 2 or 3, and collect picks and take Wilson. One wr I want is to sign Benjamin Victor from the Giants practice squad, I think he has upside Watch the 6:03 catch , he is making people miss at 6 foot 4. He is a slow boomer, but he is elite folks. I am Ohio St fan who thought he had a lot of untapped potential. Not sure about the QB thing yet but I wanted the jets to get Binjiman victor last off season he was an udfa was he not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Defense Wins Championships said: No GM would do it (without getting FIRED). Passing up on Lawrence for Wilson lol would be 10x worse than Macc passing up on Watson/Mahomes because we drafted Hack the year before... Or 15x worse than Parcells passing up Pace and then Jones to draft Farrior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 More emotional hedging for when Lawrence chooses to join the Peace Corps rather than play for the Jets. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonforPrez Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 13 hours ago, cookiemonsta911 said: Watch the tape . Arm angles, Velocity . I don't care about sure things. ALWAYS ALWAYS draft upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I will take Hide the 2019 Game Film for $500 please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 If you believe Wilson is the top QB, why not just take him at #1? There’s no set in stone rule that Lawrence has to go first. The Browns took Baker when everyone was saying Darnold should go 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 This is our Payton Manning moment without Bill Parcells around to f*ck it up & you want to take Wilson? Im not saying Trevor Lawrence is the next Manning, but my god man, Trevor has lost 1 game in his entire career! I'm gonna go out on a limb here & say Trevor is no Todd Marinovich. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 On 11/23/2020 at 10:36 PM, Gastineau Lives said: Crusher making an appearance on Sesame Street 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: Crusher making an appearance on Sesame Street Wrong: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Wilson does look really good. I’d still take Trevor tho. Wilson could rank as the #2 QB tho jumping Fields and Lance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbia Jet Fan Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Wilson just went #2 in Dane Brugelers fist mock on the athletic. I think he is my #2 pick at this point as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Yeah Wilson might jump Fields by the time the draft comes around. It’ll all come down to whatever game BYU gets during Bowl season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinGreenNC Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 I have never seen him play. What does he have that would make us pick him in your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 7 hours ago, BleedinGreenNC said: I have never seen him play. What does he have that would make us pick him in your opinion? Rocket of an arm, much betted than Fields 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Wrong thread... but I love Zach Wilson. Arm talent is so obvious, movement in the pocket is also very good. Deep ball is very pretty. I’d take him over fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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