Game Observations (CLE)

[KRL]

Who saw this coming???  Back to back wins against two playoff teams
after 13 straight losses???  I was furious after the LAR game as it
cost them the #1 spot and a shot at Trevor Lawrence.  This week I'm
actually proud of the effort, fight and enthusiasm of the team as
they beat CLE.  This changes nothing about Adam Gase being fired
after the NE game.  And please no stupid articles from the media
about these wins saving his job.  Now let's take a look:

- Let's deal with the elephant in the room, the Jets caught a HUGE
break with the majority of CLE WR's being ruled out Saturday night.
CLE offense was operating in a very narrow box with no vertical threat
making it easier for a young secondary

- Fantastic job by the rush defense as they held a potent CLE running game
to 18 rushes for 45 yards

- The following DLinemen stepped up big time to control the line of
scrimmage:

  * Foley Fatukasi - 4 Tkls, TFL and a fumble recovery
  * Nathan Shepherd - 3 Tkls, Sack, TFL and 2 QB Hits
  * John Franklin-Myers - 3 Tkls, Sack, TFL, 2 QB Hits, PD and a fumble recovery

No one knows who the next DC will be but those three with a returning
Quinnen Williams gives him a strong corps of DT's.  Add in a couple
of edge rushers and we may actually have a pass rush next year

- Good game by Tarell Basham with 5 Tkls, Sack, 3 QB Hits and a key 4th down
stop on Mayfield to seal the game

- I have no idea if he'll stick next year but Arthur Maulet has been
noticeable as a coverage safety.  Today he had 5 Tkls but more importantly
3 Passes Defensed as he covered the middle of the field

- Jamison Crowder was the offensive star of the game as he caught 7 balls
for 92 yards and a TD.  In addition he was perfect as a QB going 1/1 for
43 yards and a TD

- Braxton Berrios showed up with 3 catches for 60 yards the TD from Crowder

- Mekhi Becton's game today was a step down from last week's effort against
Aaron Donald.  Myles Garrett got him for a sack and a pressure 

- Sam Darnold was average again going 16/32 for 175 yards and 2 TD.  His best
stat was a zero under the turnover column.  But think about this, for an entire
game he had 2 targets to Denzel Mims for 0 catches and 6 targets to Breshad
Perriman for 0 catches.  That's unacceptable!!!  We've gone through an entire
season and I still don't know what Darnold is, unbelievable

 

Off-Season Thoughts

- With our QB spot still up in the air next Friday's Clemson/Ohio St game is
going to be huge for evaluating Justin Fields.  Can he demontrate better
pocket awareness than he did in the final two games of Ohio St season

- With the #2 spot locked up Joe Douglas basically controls the draft.  What
does he think of Darnold?  What does he think of the QB's coming out?  Great
off-season info provided by @Mogglez this week for those who haven't checked it
out yet:

https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/157020-some-newsfor-those-who-are-interested/

[k-met57]

Excited for those 3 picks in the first 33. I think we can fill 3 holes with high level producers quickly.

[jeremy2020]

4 minutes ago, KRL said:

- Sam Darnold was average again going 16/32 for 175 yards and 2 TD.

That's not average. That's bad. 

[pointman]

Game observations: Sam Darnold, taken third overall, was once talked about being an exceptional talent. One that was unseen in years. He was the total package. Calm, cool, big arm, evasive.. a leader... a playmaker. Now, he is the king of excuses made by others, and praised as being a talented game manager. I have never seen someone avoid blame and fingerpointing so well in my life. He has a total yardage of that of a super talented RUNNING BACK WHO RUNS THE BALL. Yet, somehow, he is still being talked about as being capable of big things. So much so that he is being called the better option over talented college QBs. Unreal. 

[pointman]

Just now, jeremy2020 said:

That's not average. That's bad. 

Real bad. Honestly, with one game to go.. I'd run Crowder out there at QB to see what he could be. He looks like an upgraded version of Brad Smith, who poops on Sam Darnold. 

[Gastineau Lives]

Marvin Hall was their top WR. Number two was a practice squad player. That's a little bit more than "most of their receivers" 

[Ghost]

I’m over Darnold. 

[Anthony Jet]

Just now, pointman said:

Now, he is the king of excuses made by others, and praised as being a talented game manager. I have never seen someone avoid blame and fingerpointing so well in my life. 

You must be new to ny jet fan forums 

This has been going on with every QB drafted by the Jets dating back to Pennington 

[pointman]

Just now, Anthony Jet said:

You must be new to ny jet fan forums 

This has been going on with every QB drafted by the Jets dating back to Pennington 

You must be new to Jet forums. Mark Sanchez got dumped on with every bowel movement. 

[bla bla bla]

I legit have no idea what to do. I don't believe Sam is the answer but I'd love to take Sewell and build a great wall for whoever the future QB will be.

I think all options should be on the table, yes, including Dak and Stafford.

[Anthony Jet]

1 minute ago, pointman said:

You must be new to Jet forums. Mark Sanchez got dumped on with every bowel movement. 

I know you are but what am I

[Losmeister]

always appreciate the effort...

[bla bla bla]

5 minutes ago, pointman said:

Game observations: Sam Darnold, taken third overall, was once talked about being an exceptional talent. One that was unseen in years. He was the total package. Calm, cool, big arm, evasive.. a leader... a playmaker. Now, he is the king of excuses made by others, and praised as being a talented game manager. I have never seen someone avoid blame and fingerpointing so well in my life. He has a total yardage of that of a super talented RUNNING BACK WHO RUNS THE BALL. Yet, somehow, he is still being talked about as being capable of big things. So much so that he is being called the better option over talented college QBs. Unreal. 

You have not been on this board much the last few weeks. Sam has been getting chewed out. The issue stems from the QB#2 vs Sam debate, fastest way to turn it around is for us to invest in Sam, unfortunately it is also damning if we pass on the next Watson or Mahomes.

[pointman]

Just now, Anthony Jet said:

I know you are but what am I

Gase's N95 mask. 

[HtownJet]

Another game observation - Patrick Elflein has been the most pleasant surprise all season...he’s a keeper.

[pointman]

1 minute ago, bla bla bla said:

You have not been on this board much the last few weeks. Sam has been getting chewed out. The issue stems from the QB#2 vs Sam debate, fastest way to turn it around is for us to invest in Sam, unfortunately it is also damning if we pass on the next Watson or Mahomes.

There is a large consensus.. here and from knowledgeable football people.. who think Sam is the goods. Nothing is his fault. Turning it around does not include Sam Darnold in the plans. He isn't good. 

[Sonny Werblin]

The jets didn’t beat two playoff teams. I wouldn’t bet on either the browns or rams on making the playoffs. They are good teams but the schedule makes me feel like neither is making the playoffs.

[section314]

Bryce Hall is good. Bless has to move to safety. Resign Maye. Fatukasi is a stud. Basham is what we wanted Jenkins to be. Was a great teaching game for Becton..Get a true edge an the front 7 can be really good. Ficken blows.

[jetscrazey]

I agree that Darnold’s inability to target Mims is maddening.  This is a rapport that needs to develop if Sam is gonna stay here. 

[FidelioJet]

11 minutes ago, pointman said:

Game observations: Sam Darnold, taken third overall, was once talked about being an exceptional talent. One that was unseen in years. He was the total package. Calm, cool, big arm, evasive.. a leader... a playmaker. Now, he is the king of excuses made by others, and praised as being a talented game manager. I have never seen someone avoid blame and fingerpointing so well in my life. He has a total yardage of that of a super talented RUNNING BACK WHO RUNS THE BALL. Yet, somehow, he is still being talked about as being capable of big things. So much so that he is being called the better option over talented college QBs. Unreal. 

No doubt Sam was given a raw deal here and never really given a shot, but go to the do you want Darnold back thread. No one wants him back.  No more excuses for him as a Jet.  Time to move on.

 

[Maxman]

10 minutes ago, pointman said:

Real bad. Honestly, with one game to go.. I'd run Crowder out there at QB to see what he could be. He looks like an upgraded version of Brad Smith, who poops on Sam Darnold. 

Yes this makes sense because in this scenario of yours where they bench Sam getting data on a wide receiver at QB instead of Morgan at QB, yeah that.

[QB1]

Darnold threw great deep balls to both Perriman and Mims and neither could make a play 

Perriman is the laziest route runner I’ve ever seen and Mims can’t create any separation 

Darnold was meh but let’s call a spade a spade here

[pointman]

Just now, Maxman said:

Yes this makes sense because in this scenario of yours where they bench Sam getting data on a wide receiver at QB instead of Morgan at QB, yeah that.

Because I was 100% serious. 

[Snook]

9 minutes ago, KRL said:

We've gone through an entire
season and I still don't know what Darnold is, unbelievable

This. It's unreal. One thing I think is completely unacceptable is the no audible.  Gase runs a very predictable offense (I call out the plays beforehand and my wife thinks I'm incredible. I have to explain to her that no, no I'm not)

[FidelioJet]

1 minute ago, jetscrazey said:

I agree that Darnold’s inability to target Mims is maddening.  This is a rapport that needs to develop if Sam is gonna stay here. 

Or maybe we've once again over hyped a player in Mims that has proven nothing.

22 catches for 342 yards - and all I keep hearing about is how good a draft pick he was.

[section314]

5 minutes ago, QB1 said:

Darnold threw great deep balls to both Perriman and Mims and neither could make a play 

Perriman is the laziest route runner I’ve ever seen and Mims can’t create any separation 

Darnold was meh but let’s call a spade a spade here

All Perriman had to do was dive for the ball. Moms had great coverage from Ward, who is a top CB. 

[FidelioJet]

5 minutes ago, QB1 said:

Darnold threw great deep balls to both Perriman and Mims and neither could make a play 

Perriman is the laziest route runner I’ve ever seen and Mims can’t create any separation 

Darnold was meh but let’s call a spade a spade here

This is very true, I want nothing to do with Perriman next year. 

And I'm really hoping Mims figures something out.  He's never open and seems to get pushed around at the point of attack.  He has really good. strong hands though, so maybe can figure out better body control and become an effective target.  

[pointman]

Just now, section314 said:

All Perriman had to do was dive for the ball. Moms had great coverage from Ward, who is a top CB. 

Big ups to mom. Always upvote the mom. 

[C Mart]

27 minutes ago, KRL said:

- Sam Darnold was average again going 16/32 for 175 yards and 2 TD.  His best
stat was a zero under the turnover column.  But think about this, for an entire
game he had 2 targets to Denzel Mims for 0 catches and 6 targets to Breshad
Perriman for 0 catches.  That's unacceptable!!!  We've gone through an entire season and I still don't know what Darnold is, unbelievable

KRL, regarding Mims, was Ward on him most of the game?  Could be why?

Perriman is soft. Don't re-sign him. 

[Lupz27]

35 minutes ago, KRL said:

Who saw this coming???  Back to back wins against two playoff teams
after 13 straight losses???  I was furious after the LAR game as it
cost them the #1 spot and a shot at Trevor Lawrence.  This week I'm
actually proud of the effort, fight and enthusiasm of the team as
they beat CLE.  This changes nothing about Adam Gase being fired
after the NE game.  And please no stupid articles from the media
about these wins saving his job.  Now let's take a look:

- Let's deal with the elephant in the room, the Jets caught a HUGE
break with the majority of CLE WR's being ruled out Saturday night.
CLE offense was operating in a very narrow box with no vertical threat
making it easier for a young secondary

- Fantastic job by the rush defense as they held a potent CLE running game
to 18 rushes for 45 yards

- The following DLinemen stepped up big time to control the line of
scrimmage:

  * Foley Fatukasi - 4 Tkls, TFL and a fumble recovery
  * Nathan Shepherd - 3 Tkls, Sack, TFL and 2 QB Hits
  * John Franklin-Myers - 3 Tkls, Sack, TFL, 2 QB Hits, PD and a fumble recovery

No one knows who the next DC will be but those three with a returning
Quinnen Williams gives him a strong corps of DT's.  Add in a couple
of edge rushers and we may actually have a pass rush next year

- Good game by Tarell Basham with 5 Tkls, Sack, 3 QB Hits and a key 4th down
stop on Mayfield to seal the game

- I have no idea if he'll stick next year but Arthur Maulet has been
noticeable as a coverage safety.  Today he had 5 Tkls but more importantly
3 Passes Defensed as he covered the middle of the field

- Jamison Crowder was the offensive star of the game as he caught 7 balls
for 92 yards and a TD.  In addition he was perfect as a QB going 1/1 for
43 yards and a TD

- Braxton Berrios showed up with 3 catches for 60 yards the TD from Crowder

- Mekhi Becton's game today was a step down from last week's effort against
Aaron Donald.  Myles Garrett got him for a sack and a pressure 

- Sam Darnold was average again going 16/32 for 175 yards and 2 TD.  His best
stat was a zero under the turnover column.  But think about this, for an entire
game he had 2 targets to Denzel Mims for 0 catches and 6 targets to Breshad
Perriman for 0 catches.  That's unacceptable!!!  We've gone through an entire
season and I still don't know what Darnold is, unbelievable

 

Off-Season Thoughts

- With our QB spot still up in the air next Friday's Clemson/Ohio St game is
going to be huge for evaluating Justin Fields.  Can he demontrate better
pocket awareness than he did in the final two games of Ohio St season

- With the #2 spot locked up Joe Douglas basically controls the draft.  What
does he think of Darnold?  What does he think of the QB's coming out?  Great
off-season info provided by @Mogglez this week for those who haven't checked it
out yet:

https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/157020-some-newsfor-those-who-are-interested/

Your not furious that this win has cost the Jets the 1st pick in the 2nd round of the draft? 
 

?????

[Irish Jet]

27 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

You must be new to ny jet fan forums 

This has been going on with every QB drafted by the Jets dating back to Pennington 

Pennington was good though.

[pdxgreen]

I don't know how much it matters.  But whomever we hire we'll have some key pieces to work with on defense.  (esp if Mosley comes back)  Not that I think that's a given.  But if I were our next DC I would be much happier with what I have to work with... than what the future OC does.

[Anthony Jet]

2 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

Pennington was good though.

Not going down this rabbit hole 

[Mo Lew]

5 minutes ago, C Mart said:

KRL, regarding Mims, was Ward on him most of the game?  Could be why?

Perriman is soft. Don't re-sign him. 

Darnold stats jump to 230 and 3tds at a min if Perriman knew how to catch something other than a sprain.

 

 

[UnknownJetFan]

40 minutes ago, KRL said:

Who saw this coming???  Back to back wins against two playoff teams
after 13 straight losses???  I was furious after the LAR game as it
cost them the #1 spot and a shot at Trevor Lawrence.  This week I'm
actually proud of the effort, fight and enthusiasm of the team as
they beat CLE.  This changes nothing about Adam Gase being fired
after the NE game.  And please no stupid articles from the media
about these wins saving his job.  Now let's take a look:

- Let's deal with the elephant in the room, the Jets caught a HUGE
break with the majority of CLE WR's being ruled out Saturday night.
CLE offense was operating in a very narrow box with no vertical threat
making it easier for a young secondary

- Fantastic job by the rush defense as they held a potent CLE running game
to 18 rushes for 45 yards

- The following DLinemen stepped up big time to control the line of
scrimmage:

  * Foley Fatukasi - 4 Tkls, TFL and a fumble recovery
  * Nathan Shepherd - 3 Tkls, Sack, TFL and 2 QB Hits
  * John Franklin-Myers - 3 Tkls, Sack, TFL, 2 QB Hits, PD and a fumble recovery

No one knows who the next DC will be but those three with a returning
Quinnen Williams gives him a strong corps of DT's.  Add in a couple
of edge rushers and we may actually have a pass rush next year

- Good game by Tarell Basham with 5 Tkls, Sack, 3 QB Hits and a key 4th down
stop on Mayfield to seal the game

- I have no idea if he'll stick next year but Arthur Maulet has been
noticeable as a coverage safety.  Today he had 5 Tkls but more importantly
3 Passes Defensed as he covered the middle of the field

- Jamison Crowder was the offensive star of the game as he caught 7 balls
for 92 yards and a TD.  In addition he was perfect as a QB going 1/1 for
43 yards and a TD

- Braxton Berrios showed up with 3 catches for 60 yards the TD from Crowder

- Mekhi Becton's game today was a step down from last week's effort against
Aaron Donald.  Myles Garrett got him for a sack and a pressure 

- Sam Darnold was average again going 16/32 for 175 yards and 2 TD.  His best
stat was a zero under the turnover column.  But think about this, for an entire
game he had 2 targets to Denzel Mims for 0 catches and 6 targets to Breshad
Perriman for 0 catches.  That's unacceptable!!!  We've gone through an entire
season and I still don't know what Darnold is, unbelievable

 

Off-Season Thoughts

- With our QB spot still up in the air next Friday's Clemson/Ohio St game is
going to be huge for evaluating Justin Fields.  Can he demontrate better
pocket awareness than he did in the final two games of Ohio St season

- With the #2 spot locked up Joe Douglas basically controls the draft.  What
does he think of Darnold?  What does he think of the QB's coming out?  Great
off-season info provided by @Mogglez this week for those who haven't checked it
out yet:

https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/157020-some-newsfor-those-who-are-interested/

Becton did fine to hold Myles to the few plays he had.