Popular Post jetstream23 Posted March 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2021 Moving to a 4-3 resets the LB group a bit. The Jets have made two somewhat underwhelming FA additions in Jarrad Davis and Del'Shawn Phillips and we're expecting several departures from a meh group of overachievers the past few years in guys like Hewitt and Langi. The current composition of the group per @Sarge4Tide is as follows... Quote Linebacker xx - Jarrad Davis 6'1" 245 Florida (ILB) - Free Agent Signing from Lions 47 - Bryce Huff 6'3" 255 Memphis (OLB) (Signed Thru 2022) 57 - CJ Mosley 6'2" 250 Alabama (ILB) (2020 Opt Out) (Signed Thru 2024) 53 - Blake Cashman 6'1" 237 Minnesota (ILB) (Signed Thru 2022) xx - Del'Shawn Phillips 6'2" 230 Illinois (LB) - Veteran "Street" Free Agent 54 - Sharif Finch 6'4" 250 Temple (LB) (Signed Thru Unknown) 56 - Noah Dawkins 6'1" 235 Citadel (LB) (Reserve Future Contract) xx - John Daka 6'2" 225 James Madison (OLB) (Reserve Future Contract) 44 - Harvey Langi 6'2" 250 BYU (ILB) XX UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT XX 46 - Neville Hewitt 6'2" 234 Marshall (ILB) XX UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT XX 51 - Patrick Onwuasor 6'01" 227 Portland St. (OLB/ILB) XX UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT XX 58 - Bryce Hager 6'1" 237 Baylor (LB) XX UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT XX Important to note that guys like CJ Mosley, Cashman, Davis, etc. are still noted as ILB and not MLB. (ILB typically used 3-4 inside linebackers and MLB for true middle linebackers in a 4-3). TBD if any of the guys in red return, but what do we think about this group right now? I've posited in the Draft Forum that LB could be an area addressed by the Jets much earlier in the Draft than people expect. Not just because it's a favorite group of Saleh (he started as a LB coach) or the mediocre level of talent we have, but because of the transition to 4-3 that's taking place. We just witnessed the Jets make several significant additions to the DLine in order to accelerate this transition but I'm not sure enough has happened at the second level to usher in this change. If you had to name starters based on the above group as it stands right now are we looking at Davis (OLB, a move from ILB) - Mosley (MLB) - Huff (OLB) ? That may not cut it for a Head Coach who is used to having guys like Fred Warner roaming around. Let's also remember that Saleh rarely rushed his LBs at the QB and loves LBs that can drop into coverage. Huff is an interesting player and I honestly don't know his schematic fit on a defense that's going through a transition like this. But I do know that as UDFA he stepped in early and played a significant role last year, especially while Gregg Williams was the D Coordinator. I can't recall the reason his playing time dropped so significantly (injury?) as we headed towards the end of the year but it did coincide with Williams being fired after the Raiders game. Take a look at Huff's game log below.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HuffBr00/gamelog/2020/ We've talked about the DLine a lot around here (best position group on the team?) and the concerns in the Secondary (needs at CB), but I feel like the LB group is being overlooked a bit. Feels like the Jets need to make some type of significant move there (Draft, trade, signing). 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Weak LB corps need to upgrade. Blake Cashman is often and always injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Need to trade Mosely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Just now, Philc1 said: Need to trade Mosely Currently he's the best LB on the roster. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Just now, joewilly12 said: Currently he's the best LB on the roster. He’s too slow for 4-3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alworth Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Solid post both in its conclusion--we need to do something in draft of FA--and in its description of the current group (though I do like Davis some). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 Just now, joewilly12 said: Currently he's the best LB on the roster. And although a fit at MLB I'm not sure Mosley is ideal. Seems more 3-4 ILB to me. And when you're paying a guy what the Jets are paying him that player needs to be an ideal fit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Philc1 said: He’s too slow for 4-3 2 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: And although a fit at MLB I'm not sure Mosley is ideal. Seems more 3-4 ILB to me. And when you're paying a guy what the Jets are paying him that player needs to be an ideal fit. I never said he was right for the system I said he was the best LB on the roster. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: I never said he was right for the system I said he was the best LB on the roster. I know, and I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Philc1 said: He’s too slow for 4-3 I would keep him for this reason & this reason alone: He can read plays. he is proven & he’s instinctual. If his speed proves to be his achilles heel this season, he will be moved. not enough starting options out there for me to move on him so soon. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBarrioJets Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 We basically have to play Mosely and cut him after this year because no one is taking that contract. But agreed, given we have next to no one at the other OLB spot and Saleh's penchant for LBs who cover, Owusu-Koramoah makes at lot of sense at 23. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, ElBarrioJets said: We basically have to play Mosely and cut him after this year because no one is taking that contract. But agreed, given we have next to no one at the other OLB spot and Saleh's penchant for LBs who cover, Owusu-Koramoah makes at lot of sense at 23. And for a fanbase that wants a new QB, an upgrade at IOL, a new CB, a "weapon" at WR or RB, etc. people are going to absolutely lose their minds if the Jets go with a LB in their first three picks. But I think there's a 50% chance it happens. If not, then maybe at #66. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 The Jerrad Davis signing was a funny one, depending on if you think he is a fit at the Sam or Will LB. It seemed like he was a better fit for the Mike. Mosely would be ok at the Mike. The LBs need a complete upgrade, which is why I would sign a CB, because they are actually available. G and 4-3 LBs less so. Cashman will play well half the games. That is a start. I would have signed Hewitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Doggin94it Posted March 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2021 50 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: Moving to a 4-3 resets the LB group a bit. The Jets have made two somewhat underwhelming FA additions in Jarrad Davis and Del'Shawn Phillips and we're expecting several departures from a meh group of overachievers the past few years in guys like Hewitt and Langi. The current composition of the group per @Sarge4Tide is as follows... Important to note that guys like CJ Mosley, Cashman, Davis, etc. are still noted as ILB and not MLB. (ILB typically used 3-4 inside linebackers and MLB for true middle linebackers in a 4-3). TBD if any of the guys in red return, but what do we think about this group right now? I've posited in the Draft Forum that LB could be an area addressed by the Jets much earlier in the Draft than people expect. Not just because it's a favorite group of Saleh (he started as a LB coach) or the mediocre level of talent we have, but because of the transition to 4-3 that's taking place. We just witnessed the Jets make several significant additions to the DLine in order to accelerate this transition but I'm not sure enough has happened at the second level to usher in this change. If you had to name starters based on the above group as it stands right now are we looking at Davis (OLB, a move from ILB) - Mosley (MLB) - Huff (OLB) ? That may not cut it for a Head Coach who is used to having guys like Fred Warner roaming around. Let's also remember that Saleh rarely rushed his LBs at the QB and loves LBs that can drop into coverage. Huff is an interesting player and I honestly don't know his schematic fit on a defense that's going through a transition like this. But I do know that as UDFA he stepped in early and played a significant role last year, especially while Gregg Williams was the D Coordinator. I can't recall the reason his playing time dropped so significantly (injury?) as we headed towards the end of the year but it did coincide with Williams being fired after the Raiders game. Take a look at Huff's game log below.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HuffBr00/gamelog/2020/ We've talked about the DLine a lot around here (best position group on the team?) and the concerns in the Secondary (needs at CB), but I feel like the LB group is being overlooked a bit. Feels like the Jets need to make some type of significant move there (Draft, trade, signing). Huff is more of a DE in the 4-3 than he is an OLB (for reference, Demarcus Lawrence is 6-3, 250). Cashman is definitely more appropriately sized as a WLB in the 4-3 than a 3-4 ILB; maybe not routinely taking on OGs will help him stay healthy. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 29 minutes ago, varjet said: Cashman will play well half the games. That is a start. I would have signed Hewitt. I said that Cashman should be cut before last season, and I will repeat that he should be cut before this season. He is at best an average linebacker, who gets hurt much more than he plays. He needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 This is a great thread and one I had been tempted to start. Appreciate you getting the ball rolling. I think it’s the more than one player position group with the most questions currently. As pointed out above, some errors with that list IMO. Huff for example is pretty clearly going to be playing with his hand in the dirt if he’s on the roster, he’s Carl Lawson size. Saleh’s linebackers in SF were 235 or less. Jets don’t currently have a lot of fits at linebacker on the roster. I expect they attack the position pretty hard via the draft. Mosley is bigger than Saleh’s guys were and not crazy fast to make up for it so I expect he either gets moved or gets the Trumaine Johnson/Le’Veon Bell treatment, but maybe he’s a pleasant surprise. Davis presumably has a role and I’d guess Phillips and Cashman make the roster. Leaves room for around two or three guys in remaining FA, draft, and UDFA pending Mosley? Posted this elsewhere but Saleh’s 2020 LB group was composed of a 2018 third round pick, 2019 fifth round pick, and 2019 UDFA. I kind of hope it’s less of a Rex Ryan “I coach the DL and premium assets will be allocated there accordingly” situation and more like what they did in SF. Seems like they can make it work with smaller, fast guys, maybe a converted safety, and they don’t need to be premium picks. Maybe a third rounder on a MLB and a couple day three picks on small athletic guys and just let the position shake out from there would be cool. It definitely needs serious work, just not sure how they attack it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBarrioJets Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: And for a fanbase that wants a new QB, an upgrade at IOL, a new CB, a "weapon" at WR or RB, etc. people are going to absolutely lose their minds if the Jets go with a LB in their first three picks. But I think there's a 50% chance it happens. If not, then maybe at #66. Oh totally. That's why it's the right move. Word is out on O-K and he's not lasting until our 2nd rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Picking a LB before the seattle 3rd rounder will instantly make me think Douglas is just another clueless mccagnan type with no clue how to build a team that simply panders to a positional coach who is now the head coach. We have done nothing at QB We have done nothing at Oline We have done nothing at CB We have done nothing at TE We have done almost nothing at RB We have once again as usual as always have invested more in the defense than the offense in FA. A pass rusher or a LB before the other needs will be idiotic. Yes I will be that blunt. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Blake Cashman can play OLB in a 4-3. And Mosley is fine at the starting Mike. I think we really just need 1 starting OLB. I wouldn’t go to crazy on this group. Yes it can be improved further but it’s better to spend picks along the OL and at Corner. WLB: Starter TBD; Backup Cashman MLB: Starter Mosley; Backup Phillips SLB: Starter Davis If we are able to get an additional 2nd for Darnold, we can grab a guy like Jabril Cox and just roll with those guys. Get an outside corner and a slot corner and that’s it. All other draft picks should really be used on the offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 I expect another LB add before the draft, either FA or trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets0712 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 He’s too slow for 4-3He should have REALLY fresh legsSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Lol Mosley. We’re so used to sodomy as Jets fans we don’t even blink at handing an ILB $50 million and getting a single game out of that contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Picking a LB before the seattle 3rd rounder will instantly make me think Douglas is just another clueless mccagnan type with no clue how to build a team that simply panders to a positional coach who is now the head coach. We have done nothing at QB We have done nothing at Oline We have done nothing at CB We have done nothing at TE We have done almost nothing at RB We have once again as usual as always have invested more in the defense than the offense in FA. A pass rusher or a LB before the other needs will be idiotic. Yes I will be that blunt. Far from pandering. LB is the weakest unit on the team. Don’t be surprised when JD uses a pick in the first three rounds to help address it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, varjet said: Cashman will play well half the games. Half is 8.5 and I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad2coles Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Defenses play a majority of their snaps in nickel at this point with 2 LB on the field. It also seems like Saleh might be using 3 safety formations. I really hope they plan on bringing back Poole and upgrading our cornerbacks further, but it doesn't seem like the o-line or secondary are priorities in free agency. It's too bad because those position groups, along with QB, were the biggest contributing factors to a 2-14 record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Picking a LB before the seattle 3rd rounder will instantly make me think Douglas is just another clueless mccagnan type with no clue how to build a team that simply panders to a positional coach who is now the head coach. We have done nothing at QB We have done nothing at Oline We have done nothing at CB We have done nothing at TE We have done almost nothing at RB We have once again as usual as always have invested more in the defense than the offense in FA. A pass rusher or a LB before the other needs will be idiotic. Yes I will be that blunt. I agree with this post 100 percent...I'm waiting to see what the draft looks like if its not offensive heavy then its just the same philosophy we've always had minus the overpaying for over the hill vets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Picking a LB before the seattle 3rd rounder will instantly make me think Douglas is just another clueless mccagnan type with no clue how to build a team that simply panders to a positional coach who is now the head coach. We have done nothing at QB We have done nothing at Oline We have done nothing at CB We have done nothing at TE We have done almost nothing at RB We have once again as usual as always have invested more in the defense than the offense in FA. A pass rusher or a LB before the other needs will be idiotic. Yes I will be that blunt. Strong disagree. Our TE group is adequate; it doesn't have a stud but it's not a wasteland. Our IOL can be upgraded, but you can get very good, starting quality guards and centers in the second and third rounds. Shanahan offenses never allocate premium assets to RB (and yet still end up with top tier backs, almost like the system allows for RB success without an elite player) and expecting them to have spent meaningful FA money (or to spend draft picks there) is ignorant (sorry, BF, but it's true). CBs are deemphasized in Saleh's defense (they're playing zone) and are helped immensely by a great pass rush. If Jaelean Philips or Kwity Paye is available at 23 I wouldn't be upset with that pick at all. And Zaven Collins is being talked about like the next great NFL off-ball LB, too. Of course, it depends on who is available where, and my personal preference is for Vera-Tucker at 23 (can start at OG and then kick out to RT if we want to move on from Fant next year), but the idea that a LB/Edge pick is a waste is just wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Picking a LB before the seattle 3rd rounder will instantly make me think Douglas is just another clueless mccagnan type with no clue how to build a team that simply panders to a positional coach who is now the head coach. We have done nothing at QB We have done nothing at Oline We have done nothing at CB We have done nothing at TE We have done almost nothing at RB We have once again as usual as always have invested more in the defense than the offense in FA. A pass rusher or a LB before the other needs will be idiotic. Yes I will be that blunt. we signed two WR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 34 minutes ago, shuler82 said: Far from pandering. LB is the weakest unit on the team. Don’t be surprised when JD uses a pick in the first three rounds to help address it. LB is also the LEAST premium position on a football team. And no LB is not any weaker than Cb or oline or TE or any of those other units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: we signed two WR Yes and? I did not mention Wr in the list and We still have spent more on defense than offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: LB is also the LEAST premium position on a football team. And no LB is not any weaker than Cb or oline or TE or any of those other units. Austin and Hall show much more promise than Davis and Cashman. But you’re right- CBS need work too. Expect a FA and high draft pick. I get the disgust at thinking we might pick defense early in the draft. But with how this roster is constructed, it’s happening. Besides QB our biggest needs are at OLB, CB and G. With an expected draft day trade one way or another we should have six picks in the top three rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Yes and? I did not mention Wr in the list and We still have spent more on defense than offense. i'm just saying we went from no NFL starting caliber talent or maybe 1 guy, to now 2 or 3...that is huge upgrade for the offense. ALl the pikcs he has done help instill the new system, all pretty smart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 3 hours ago, jetstream23 said: Moving to a 4-3 resets the LB group a bit. The Jets have made two somewhat underwhelming FA additions in Jarrad Davis and Del'Shawn Phillips and we're expecting several departures from a meh group of overachievers the past few years in guys like Hewitt and Langi. The current composition of the group per @Sarge4Tide is as follows... Important to note that guys like CJ Mosley, Cashman, Davis, etc. are still noted as ILB and not MLB. (ILB typically used 3-4 inside linebackers and MLB for true middle linebackers in a 4-3). TBD if any of the guys in red return, but what do we think about this group right now? I've posited in the Draft Forum that LB could be an area addressed by the Jets much earlier in the Draft than people expect. Not just because it's a favorite group of Saleh (he started as a LB coach) or the mediocre level of talent we have, but because of the transition to 4-3 that's taking place. We just witnessed the Jets make several significant additions to the DLine in order to accelerate this transition but I'm not sure enough has happened at the second level to usher in this change. If you had to name starters based on the above group as it stands right now are we looking at Davis (OLB, a move from ILB) - Mosley (MLB) - Huff (OLB) ? That may not cut it for a Head Coach who is used to having guys like Fred Warner roaming around. Let's also remember that Saleh rarely rushed his LBs at the QB and loves LBs that can drop into coverage. Huff is an interesting player and I honestly don't know his schematic fit on a defense that's going through a transition like this. But I do know that as UDFA he stepped in early and played a significant role last year, especially while Gregg Williams was the D Coordinator. I can't recall the reason his playing time dropped so significantly (injury?) as we headed towards the end of the year but it did coincide with Williams being fired after the Raiders game. Take a look at Huff's game log below.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HuffBr00/gamelog/2020/ We've talked about the DLine a lot around here (best position group on the team?) and the concerns in the Secondary (needs at CB), but I feel like the LB group is being overlooked a bit. Feels like the Jets need to make some type of significant move there (Draft, trade, signing). Quick comment is that the 3-4 always has the 3 lineman just occupying blockers so the LBs can make plays especially in trying to get pressure on the QB. The 4-3 you get the pressure from the DLine and the LBs mainly need to cover TE, FBs, WRs on crossing patterns, etc. and perhaps the WSOLB needs to be an edge rusher, but typically is a situational player on passing downs since most rushers that don't 1st look for the run will over pursue plays which is why some running plays gain so many yards. So, with that said, the way they just built the Dline and may still take a DE in the draft, the 4 up front should be able to cause enough havoc to where the LBs won't have to be awesome to handle that part of the front 7. Heck I have watched many of the Giant games over the past decades and when the had the Dline with Strahan, Osi, Tuck, etc. they were so dominant I could not even tell you one of the LBs names during that 5 year period. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post clayton163v Posted March 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2021 7 hours ago, jetstream23 said: Moving to a 4-3 resets the LB group a bit. The Jets have made two somewhat underwhelming FA additions in Jarrad Davis and Del'Shawn Phillips and we're expecting several departures from a meh group of overachievers the past few years in guys like Hewitt and Langi. The current composition of the group per @Sarge4Tide is as follows... Important to note that guys like CJ Mosley, Cashman, Davis, etc. are still noted as ILB and not MLB. (ILB typically used 3-4 inside linebackers and MLB for true middle linebackers in a 4-3). TBD if any of the guys in red return, but what do we think about this group right now? I've posited in the Draft Forum that LB could be an area addressed by the Jets much earlier in the Draft than people expect. Not just because it's a favorite group of Saleh (he started as a LB coach) or the mediocre level of talent we have, but because of the transition to 4-3 that's taking place. We just witnessed the Jets make several significant additions to the DLine in order to accelerate this transition but I'm not sure enough has happened at the second level to usher in this change. If you had to name starters based on the above group as it stands right now are we looking at Davis (OLB, a move from ILB) - Mosley (MLB) - Huff (OLB) ? That may not cut it for a Head Coach who is used to having guys like Fred Warner roaming around. Let's also remember that Saleh rarely rushed his LBs at the QB and loves LBs that can drop into coverage. Huff is an interesting player and I honestly don't know his schematic fit on a defense that's going through a transition like this. But I do know that as UDFA he stepped in early and played a significant role last year, especially while Gregg Williams was the D Coordinator. I can't recall the reason his playing time dropped so significantly (injury?) as we headed towards the end of the year but it did coincide with Williams being fired after the Raiders game. Take a look at Huff's game log below.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HuffBr00/gamelog/2020/ We've talked about the DLine a lot around here (best position group on the team?) and the concerns in the Secondary (needs at CB), but I feel like the LB group is being overlooked a bit. Feels like the Jets need to make some type of significant move there (Draft, trade, signing). Excellent post. We are in transition to a 4-3 defense and it is why we have let Luvu and Bashum go and will be letting the rest of the free agents go as well. We might bring back Hewett but only because he plays on the special teams units, not as a starter. We have Mosely at the Mike. While some of you question whether he can be productive there, I have no doubt at all. If he has anything left in the tank and comes into camp ready for war, he will be an excellent Middle Linebacker. You need to be able to read the play and take on blocks. He is really good at that and was also big enough to project inside in a 3-4. It is why he was coveted. However, I note that the college ranks regularly turn out fine middle linebackers. You do not need to be fleet of foot , you need to be tough and strong. Unlike 3-4 inside guys, you do not need to be 250lbs either. We can find one in the draft late or as a free agent and get decent production. We signed Jarrad Davis to lock up the strong side. He is strong enough to take on the tight end and fast enough to turn the play inside to the Mike and Strong Safety. It is hard to find guys with both traits. This player must take on blocks and force plays inside. It is why we acted quickly instead of biding our time to wait on a better price. If we take a linebacker early, it will be to play this spot, not the Mike or the Will. It is hard to find these players with the skills to thrive and survive in the NFL. It is also a three down position in the 4-3 alignment, something that is not true of the Will and Mike. The most visible linebacker in the 4-3 alignment is the Will. These guys frequently lead the team in tackles as they are freed from gap responsibility and have their jersey kept clean by the lineman and Mike. The good news is that college ranks regularly turn out Wills since they weigh 230 and can run. Nor do they have any job in 3-4 defenses or project to a 4-3 on the strong side - which as noted above - is harder to find. Right now the starting Will is Blake Cashman. He is a bit large for the position but he can run and was noted for his tackling skills in college. But after two seasons where he was injured early, it is foolhardy to pencil him in as the starter. I believe that Cashman will have to fight his way onto the team much less into the starting lineup. The new guy - Del'shawn Phillips - projects to the Will. We brought him in to compete for the job and a spot on the roster. But it will be a fight. I expect plenty of competition. As for Bryce Huff, I loved what I saw from his rookie season, but our transition to the 4-3 strands him without a job. I do not see him as a hand in the dirt defensive end and he is not a prototypical 4-3 linebacker. To survive he will have to earn the backup job behind Davis and convince Saleh that he can get the job done. At a minimum he needs to come into camp lighter. I don't know. His true position in the pros is as a 3-4 strong side linebacker. It is ironic that our decade long quest to find guys who are big enough to play outside in a 3-4 ends with a young one on the team. You can't make this stuff up. Much of this is also true of Sharif Finch. He is caught up in the transition and is not a good fit. So what do we do in the draft? I continue to believe that Douglas will rank the players and go for the BAP. Only once the projected starters are gone will he start to concern himself with position. The nice part about the 4-3 defense is colleges run it. So players from established programs project well at Will and Mike. We might pick a linebacker early if one projects to the strong side and is a good fit. But I think the plan is to take them late and into free agency. With a deep class at corner last season, Douglas had a long list of guys who projected and - pardon the pun - "cornered" the market on the undrafted guys who projected as pros. It is why Lamar Jackson, Javelin Guidry and Shyheim Carter signed with the Jets last year as free agents. They were given an honest chance to earn a roster spot and a possible starting job. And for Jackson and Guidry, it is exactly what happened as they sent the Colts castoffs packing mid-season. I expect the same tactic this season at linebacker and it is a far easier thing to accomplish there than at corner. Both Wills and Mikes come out of college with regularity and can be had in the later rounds. Like "guard only" and "center only" players, it is not hard to find guys with starting grades at these spots in the pros late in the draft and as free agents. In fact, it is unusual to see them drafted early. Especially Mikes. Do not be surprised if we invite a pile of free agents to camp and three or four end up on the team. There are lots of jobs. The way I see it, the starting job at the Will is wide open. Roster spots for a Mike, Will and strong side linebacker are also available (sorry Blake Cashman, Sharif Finch and Bryce Huff). That is four roster spots and there will be a clamor for them from the college guys coming in. I expect a horde of them. It is also why I think Douglas is in no hurry to bring in veteran free agents. He knows that college personnel project to 4-3 Will and Mike and can be found with non-premium assets. We had to act with the defensive line since those guys are coveted and cost premium assets. At linebacker, that is just not true. Same with Guard and Center. So hold your fire Jet fans, help is on the way. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 6 hours ago, Beerfish said: Picking a LB before the seattle 3rd rounder will instantly make me think Douglas is just another clueless mccagnan type with no clue how to build a team that simply panders to a positional coach who is now the head coach. We have done nothing at QB We have done nothing at Oline We have done nothing at CB We have done nothing at TE We have done almost nothing at RB We have once again as usual as always have invested more in the defense than the offense in FA. A pass rusher or a LB before the other needs will be idiotic. Yes I will be that blunt. There are four picks before the Seattle 3rd rounder. I am pretty confident that a QB, CB and OL will be included in those picks. I am ok if one of those other picks is a RB or TE. If for some reason a QB is not taken at 2, I would expect lots of picks to fill holes. But I am not confident that JD is going to approach the draft to fill all of the holes. We think every year that is going to happen, and we end up with Polite, Zuniga, Clark, Morgan, Perine, Edoga, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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