Sammybighead Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Until end of next season, it should be obvious by that point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 The stats gave us healthy water and the ability to evaluate an NFL QB in 9 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 4 regular games in 2022, that will be a full season for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: It won't happen but finding a way to add a stud, experienced WR like a Davante Adams is precisely what can help a young QB make a big leap. So all we have to do is add arguably the 2nd best/most productive WR in the NFL, and Wilson will be fine. You're right. That's probably not going to happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Adams won’t happen. But Allen Robinson or Ridley can do just about the same. Get it done Tanny. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 By "we" do you mean fans or do you mean the team. As fans, I thnk many of us are well on our way to having our minds made up and most if not all of us will feel like we will know if he is the guy by the middle of next season. If "we" is the team, I think he gets three seasons to rpove himself, similar to Darnold, before they decide to move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, Warfish said: So all we have to do is add arguably the 2nd best/most productive WR in the NFL, and Wilson will be fine. You're right. That's probably not going to happen. I think Zach would “settle” for a Cooper Kupp, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Deebo Samuel, Chris Godwin, CeeDee Lamb, Tyreek Hill, Keenan Allen type also. Doesn’t have to be a Davante Adams, Stefon Diggs, Deandre Hopkins. The point is simply that the Jets have nothing close to any of those guys. Most other teams seem to have one. Heck, some have two. And, their guys aren’t injured most of the time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Realistically, he's getting 3 years unless he flames out to the point of getting benched next year (which has certainly happened before) 30 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: We saw what Stefon Diggs did for Allen and what the addition of Deandre Hopkins did for Kyler Murray. It won't happen but finding a way to add a stud, experienced WR like a Davante Adams is precisely what can help a young QB make a big leap. Most people consider the Jets biggest weapon on offense to be Elijah Moore... a rookie who has played a total of 11 NFL games. That's not the same thing as adding a crafty, talented, veteran WR who walks onto a team already having had a couple of 100 catch seasons. Agreed. A star veteran WR would be amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 One year. If there is no improvement or minimal improvement, then I'm out on Wilson at the end of 2022. I fully expect a lot of improvement and frankly, more than mere competence, but one step at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Rather than years, the question should be how many more pounds would Robert Saleh have to lose to give up on Zach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: Rather than years, the question should be how many more pounds would Robert Saleh have to lose to give up on Zach? So you’re saying Fat Saleh would be as good as Fat Rex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, Warfish said: So all we have to do is add arguably the 2nd best/most productive WR in the NFL, and Wilson will be fine. You're right. That's probably not going to happen. Eh, he wasn't quite the second best WR in the game before he got to Buffalo (although he was excellent). He took the next step with Allen. The two best seasons of his career are the two he played with Allen. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DiggSt00.htm The idea is to add elite WR talent that can stay on the field. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: Assuming he's showing progress, he'll get two more season to prove he can be a legit FQB. - If he shows little to no progress that timeline with shrink, but he'll get the benefit of the doubt for the next two seasons. Exactly. For me, it's 2 years with the chance to earn a third if there's tangible progress next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I'm giving him about 6-8 weeks into next season. If he's still playing the same he was this year, it's not looking good and I'd want the Jets to start to look in a new direction. If Zach is clearly a better player to start next season and makes a solid jump in play from where he was this season, then it's full steam ahead with him as the QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 We'll know next year if we have anything in Zach, but baring a complete disaster, the organization will give him 3 season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 He's definitely getting another year. So, I think a better way to think of this is along the lines of what you'd need to see from him, in terms of improvement, that would make you comfortable giving him a 3rd year? Or, if he puts up a nearly identical performance, would you give him that 3rd year anyway? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, ZachEY said: He's definitely getting another year. So, I think a better way to think of this is along the lines of what you'd need to see from him, in terms of improvement, that would make you comfortable giving him a 3rd year? Or, if he puts up a nearly identical performance, would you give him that 3rd year anyway? My thinking as well. If he doesn't improve next year then that may be all she wrote. I think that if he puts up numbers similar to Allen in his 2nd season (85+ rating, 2-1 TD-Int, 3k+ yds, 60%+ CMP) that would be a good bar to greenlight a 3rd. Or better yet, he exceeds those numbers, plays great, and there is ultimately no question about him being the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said: The point is simply that the Jets have nothing close to any of those guys. Most other teams seem to have one. Heck, some have two. And, their guys aren’t injured most of the time. Hmmmm, whose fault IS that...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 52 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Eh, he wasn't quite the second best WR in the game before he got to Buffalo (although he was excellent). He took the next step with Allen. The two best seasons of his career are the two he played with Allen. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DiggSt00.htm The idea is to add elite WR talent that can stay on the field. The portion I quotes referenced Davante Adams, #2 in receptions the past two years . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, ZachEY said: He's definitely getting another year. So, I think a better way to think of this is along the lines of what you'd need to see from him, in terms of improvement, that would make you comfortable giving him a 3rd year? Or, if he puts up a nearly identical performance, would you give him that 3rd year anyway? I think if he put up this year's number next year I would seriously think about changing my outlook. He cannot be under 60%, below 1:1 TD passes to INTS, under 200 yards a game, under 75% QB rating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raffyD Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said: So absurd that Mahommes first season he plays, he throws 50 TDs. We’d all die and go to heaven. I had to read this stat a few times to believe it, unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 It depends how he plays next season. If he shows little to no improvement I think they could move on in 2023. It also depends on potential replacements and the Jets ability to acquire said replacement. But 2 full seasons is plenty of time to know if he’s it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 44 minutes ago, Warfish said: Hmmmm, whose fault IS that...... Are you calling out the Jets new Training, Sports Medicine, Athletic Performance and Player HealthTM department? It will be a leader in all of sports!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 17, just like Josh. Josh McCown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 3 hours ago, section314 said: Allen's rookie numbers across the board, except yards passing, are almost identical to Zach's. Not that it means anything going forward, just very interesting. Allen is also an extreme outlier in rookie's with number like that who goes on to be a success. He also had superior rushing numbers. Anyways, 2 years to show you can be consistent enough and move the ball. 3 years to show you can be a franchise level player. If he has a Danroldesque year 2 then you move on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I'm not sure how many years the Jets want to give him but here's what I would do. I would make him compete for the Job in next years training camp IF he wins that competition he gets 4 games if he can't put up some good numbers in those 4 games he gets yanked. That's not to say I'm done with him at that stage but as an example lets say Mike White is again the back up and he goes in after game 4 and plays well but begins to falter after 4 or five games I then give Zach another chance to finish out the season on a very positive note not some bullsh*t Improvement crap I'm talking serious Improvement like some 300 yard games multiple TD's and much better accuracy if he can do that he comes back in year 3 if not I start preparing to take a QB in that upcoming draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets0712 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Does the infamous ( sophomore slump) still exist?? If so he’d better not have one..Personally I would give him 3 years just like Sam. However if the Jets do get that True #1 receiver while Moore grows into the 1b this year coming up..we will know for sure after next seasonSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: Eh, he wasn't quite the second best WR in the game before he got to Buffalo (although he was excellent). He took the next step with Allen. The two best seasons of his career are the two he played with Allen. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DiggSt00.htm The idea is to add elite WR talent that can stay on the field. Well keep in mind Diggs had some really good players on offense in Minny he was not the only guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Just now, Smashmouth said: Well keep in mind Diggs had some really good players on offense in Minny he was not the only guy. True. I just think think he and Allen were the perfect marriage. Allen is the best thing that ever happened to Diggs and vice versa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 58 minutes ago, Warfish said: The portion I quotes referenced Davante Adams, #2 in receptions the past two years . Ahh ok - well yea, he’s not coming. I just want someone who isn’t on IR by December. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Lith said: By "we" do you mean fans or do you mean the team. As fans, I thnk many of us are well on our way to having our minds made up and most if not all of us will feel like we will know if he is the guy by the middle of next season. If "we" is the team, I think he gets three seasons to rpove himself, similar to Darnold, before they decide to move on. I meant the team but I'm interested in both perspectives. To me, he needs to show something by the end of next season. If he struggles again then we've got to think about moving on. If there's nothing in the draft (e.g. we're not in position for a top pick) then we'll probably stay with ZW by default. But I guess let's see what happens next year. Maybe Zach will blossom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said: So absurd that Mahommes first season he plays, he throws 50 TDs. We’d all die and go to heaven. That was after a year sitting behind Alex Smith. This shows the benefits of sitting behind a veteran first year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, Jets0712 said: Does the infamous ( sophomore slump) still exist?? If so he’d better not have one.. Personally I would give him 3 years just like Sam. However if the Jets do get that True #1 receiver while Moore grows into the 1b this year coming up..we will know for sure after next season Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Wilson was so ready that this year was his sophomore slump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Ahh ok - well yea, he’s not coming. I just want someone who isn’t on IR by December. Losing the top 3-4 WR's to injury, again, would be sorta bad, yeah. Yeah, definitely bad. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Hex said: That was after a year sitting behind Alex Smith. This shows the benefits of sitting behind a veteran first year. We suck, if Wilson sat this year he’d be hitting at least 45 TDs next year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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