Jets Fans: Please STOP the Zach Wilson HATE

[Warfish]

36 minutes ago, Thai Jet said:

Huh ? Seriously dude ? 

Effort is the wrong word, fair enough.  

Performance in the form of QB Rating would have been a better way to say it.

Point remains the unchanged, of course.

[Bronx]

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[maury77]

I can't speak for others, but I would love for Wilson to prove me wrong. I don't gain anything from Wilson not panning out, its not as if the Jets are going to hire me to be GM because I was right on a draft prospect. If he plays well (legitimately well, not "improving" or contorting myself to interpret a snapshot of stats as proof that he is playing well), I'd be happy to have a franchise QB on the team. If, however, he continues to play poorly by most objective standards, I will continue to express the opinions I have previously stated on the matter. 

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

Are you calling me stupid

No.  I can honestly tell you Fid, I do not think you're stupid.

Stubborn and deeply biased about player above team, perhaps.  But not stupid.

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

because I believe there are some fan's need to be right, outweigh their love of team?

So name them.  And link the post that proves this out.

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

 I don't know you, so I don't know what bucket you fall into.  You seem like someone that would like to see Zach do well and will be excited when it happens.

He's our QB.  Of course I want him to do well for as long as he is OUR QB.  

And if he doesn't do well or shows he is unlikely to do well in the future, then I want him gone, asap, to get a better QB here, because THAT would be best for the JETS.  

Team > Player, always.  

I may think Zach is the worst QB in human history (I don't think that, for the record, lol) and I'd STILL want him to do well when he is OUR QB on Sundays.

That is my point, these are two separate and distinct concepts.  Evaluation of a Player vs. Fandom for that Player While Playing for Us.

I have screamed my guts out for guys I thought sucked donkey balls, or I thought were sh*t human beings:  Because they were Jets at that time on gameday. 

What too many folks cannot seem to separate is those two distinct concepts.  I do not have to fall in dreamy-eyed love with a human being, or think he's the bestest bestest ever to root for him to do well while wearing Jets green on Sundays.

Your complaint isn't that people are actually rooting for Zach to fail, because no Jets fan actually does that. 

Your complaint is that not enough people profess their undying love and unending faith, fanbgirl style, for Zach, and think he's the bestest QB ever or will be soon.  

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

I'm sorry, but gloating or taking pleasure is your QB's failing isn't the sign of a fan.

Link the post where someone is "gloating about Zach's failure" in a way that says the weren't rooting for Zach to play well during the game.

You are familiar with disappointment and the ways human beings cope with it, right?  

Again, if someone mocks a Zach fanboi for being wrong about Zach after Zach sh*ts the bed, that doesn't mean they wanted Zach to fail in the game.  It means they're coping, poorly, with the after-effect of that failure.

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

I am not unbiased when it comes to Zach Wilson....

Well duh, obviously.  Lol.

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

....just determined to call out all the BS when it happens and I will continue to do so.   I have no issues with legitimate criticism.  

You're not the arbiter of what criticism is legitimate or what constitutes Jetsfandom.  Neither am I.  Neither of us should lay claim to telling other fans what kind of fan they are.

This is one of those things that only ever happens on the internet as well, because if you told some oldschool long-suffering diehard Jets fan he was a sh*t fan in the parking lot at the stadium because he "wanted Zach to fail" for grumbling about him after a loss, your jaw wouldn't stay in place for very long. 

Complaints like that only live in the distant anonymity of the web.

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

But I have no doubt there are more than handful of people that are more committed to Zach failing than the team winning.

So name them and link the posts. 

Till then, nothing but hot air IMO, the usual personality-cult driven nonsense of fans who hate it that other fans don't love their beloved guy as much as they do.

Seen it for every QB, Pennington Fans did it a ton back in the day, Sanchez Fans, even Geno Fans, Sammyboy Fans, now Zach Fans.  Like clockwork.

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

There's nothing you can do that's going to change my mind..

And there is nothing you can do or say that gives you the right to judge another mans Fandom.

[Charlie Brown]

2 hours ago, The Buffalo Jet Fan said:

 

Shameless self-promotion but I will allow it funny stuff!!   

Just stay out of Topps for a while and get to the Amherst Marriott Happy Hour....Duffs or Bust and you will be fine my friend!

[FidelioJet]

8 minutes ago, Warfish said:

No.  I can honestly tell you Fid, I do not think you're stupid.

Stubborn and deeply biased about player above team, perhaps.  But not stupid.

So name them.  And link the post that proves this out.

He's our QB.  Of course I want him to do well for as long as he is OUR QB.  

And if he doesn't do well or shows he is unlikely to do well in the future, then I want him gone, asap, to get a better QB here, because THAT would be best for the JETS.  

Team > Player, always.  

I may think Zach is the worst QB in human history (I don't think that, for the record, lol) and I'd STILL want him to do well when he is OUR QB on Sundays.

That is my point, these are two separate and distinct concepts.  Evaluation of a Player vs. Fandom for that Player While Playing for Us.

I have screamed my guts out for guys I thought sucked donkey balls, or I thought were sh*t human beings:  Because they were Jets at that time on gameday. 

What too many folks cannot seem to separate is those two distinct concepts.  I do not have to fall in dreamy-eyed love with a human being, or think he's the bestest bestest ever to root for him to do well while wearing Jets green on Sundays.

Your complaint isn't that people are actually rooting for Zach to fail, because no Jets fan actually does that. 

Your complaint is that not enough people profess their undying love and unending faith, fanbgirl style, for Zach, and think he's the bestest QB ever or will be soon.  

Link the post where someone is "gloating about Zach's failure" in a way that says the weren't rooting for Zach to play well during the game.

You are familiar with disappointment and the ways human beings cope with it, right?  

Again, if someone mocks a Zach fanboi for being wrong about Zach after Zach sh*ts the bed, that doesn't mean they wanted Zach to fail in the game.  It means they're coping, poorly, with the after-effect of that failure.

Well duh, obviously.  Lol.

You're not the arbiter of what criticism is legitimate or what constitutes Jetsfandom.  Neither am I.  Neither of us should lay claim to telling other fans what kind of fan they are.

This is one of those things that only ever happens on the internet as well, because if you told some oldschool long-suffering diehard Jets fan he was a sh*t fan in the parking lot at the stadium because he "wanted Zach to fail" for grumbling about him after a loss, your jaw wouldn't stay in place for very long. 

Complaints like that only live in the distant anonymity of the web.

So name them and link the posts. 

Till then, nothing but hot air IMO, the usual personality-cult driven nonsense of fans who hate it that other fans don't love their beloved guy as much as they do.

Seen it for every QB, Pennington Fans did it a ton back in the day, Sanchez Fans, even Geno Fans, Sammyboy Fans, now Zach Fans.  Like clockwork.

And there is nothing you can do or say that gives you the right to judge another mans Fandom.

Honestly, thank you for the thoughtful replay as always...

I'm NOT telling anyone how to be a fan. .  If a fan wants to root against their QB.  If someone wants to take pleasure in the failure of the teams QB -  fine by me.  I don't it's being a good fan and a rather odd take, but go for it.  And I would happily tell anyone that to their face.

I'm not out here calling anyone a bad fan.  To be clear, I don't think you are - and also believe you would be very happy to see Zach succeed.  Most of the anti-zach crowd will be very happy to see him succeed.

All I've tried to state here is, I believe there are more than handful (not most)  of fans whose need to be right is outweighing their desire to see this team win.  You don't see that and that's fine.

You can take that for what it is and I'm going to leave it at that.

[Bronx]

27 minutes ago, maury77 said:

can't speak for others, but I would love for Wilson to prove me wrong

Sorry, but that's a bit of an overstatement.  Who in the right mind wants the opposite?

[Spoot-Face]

1 hour ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Please no one do this

I expect to see you at the Zach Wilson Breakout Year Celebration Orgy: Brought to you by Pepsi

[Spoot-Face]

51 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

OMG I hate Zach Wilson! 

Only because you can't eat him

[The Crusher]

13 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

Only because you can't eat him

You know what I can eat right?

[Hal N of Provo]

It’s the off-season.

This kind of stuff is best handled when we are all overly emotional after a game with posts we know won’t age well, but are too emotional to temper.  

[jeremy2020]

Forums need a feature that like tracks your level of confidence in a player like week to week or month to month so we can look at people's support for players in the past. I'd be curious how many of the people believed in Darnold and for how long before I asses their arguments on a player.. and their overall sanity. 

[Spoot-Face]

18 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

You know what I can eat right?

I'll have you know, beavers taste kinda like broccoli

[Warfish]

29 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Honestly, thank you for the thoughtful replay as always...

You're welcome.  And to stress, I do not think you're stupid.

29 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I'm NOT telling anyone how to be a fan. .  If a fan wants to root against their QB.  If someone wants to take pleasure in the failure of the teams QB -  fine by me.  I don't it's being a good fan and a rather odd take, but go for it.  And I would happily tell anyone that to their face.

I'm not out here calling anyone a bad fan.  To be clear, I don't think you are - and also believe you would be very happy to see Zach succeed.  Most of the anti-zach crowd will be very happy to see him succeed.

All I've tried to state here is, I believe there are more than handful (not most)  of fans whose need to be right is outweighing their desire to see this team win.  You don't see that and that's fine.

You can take that for what it is and I'm going to leave it at that.

Fair enough.

I'll continue to stress that these is a difference between rooting/hopes (I root for and deeply hope Zach proves my doubts wrong and becomes a franchise QB for our Jets) and evaluation/criticism/cynicism/"being right on the internet" (I doubted Zach should be the pick during that draft leadup, he played poorly in year one producing the worst QB rating in the NFL, and I feel so far I've been right in my core criticisms during the draft, that he was an unready, potentially injury-prone small-school kid unprepared for the big show at that time).  

Nothing about these two things are mutually exclusive.  

I'll put it another way, then I'll also leave it at that: 

If your lifelong 3-pack a day smoker wife starts having a horrible cough and spits up blood, you're going to root like hell that it's not lung cancer.  

But you're going to worry that it is in fact cancer.  And the more supporting facts that indicate it IS cancer will make you worry more that it's cancer.

You're also going to think about how you told her almost every day to quit the damn smoking, because of the risks ffs, and feel (horribly) that you were right all along in doing so. 

You won't be happy doing it, but you'll do it. 

You're not rooting against your wife.  You're not rooting for cancer.

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, Saul Goodman said:

There were plenty of fans that declared Sanchez and Darnold as busts in their first preseason, before they had even played a real game.

That's ridiculous 

And not true. 

[More Cowbell]

I'm seriously disappointed. 

I was hoping he would jump through a table at the end of the video. 

[peekskill68]

30 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

I'll have you know, beavers taste kinda like broccoli

LOL.  Gee I wish I could post what I'm thinking now...

[Jimmy 2 Times]

34 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Forums need a feature that like tracks your level of confidence in a player like week to week or month to month so we can look at people's support for players in the past. I'd be curious how many of the people believed in Darnold and for how long before I asses their arguments on a player.. and their overall sanity. 

I would like this feature.

As for Sam, I believed in him until his first game in year three.   I expected a huge jump and got turds.  That’s when the doubts fully crept in and was the beginning of him losing me.  

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

2 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

LOL.  Gee I wish I could post what I'm thinking now...

[Hal N of Provo]

6 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

That's ridiculous 

And not true. 

Well, people started with Zach after the first scrimmage.  

I think Sam got peoples hopes up and crushed them worse than a bad breakup.

Zach will be fine and make all of this a funny memory.

[Hal N of Provo]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

I would like this feature.

As for Sam, I believed in him until his first game in year three.   I expected a huge jump and got turds.  That’s when the doubts fully crept in and was the beginning of him losing me.  

I thought Sam sucked in college and would bust comically bad.  I was wrong. 

Sam had a nice rookie year and a fine enough second season.   But he didn't progress.   That’s the issue.  

[kmnj]

I think all fans want to see wilson lead us to numerous championships. I dont think anybody wants to see him fail. I have been VERY critical of Joe as a gm but I want him to succeed. I take no pleasure in seeing guys like Becton or Mimsy fail.  A person can be critical of moves that dont pan out though especially in the wirfs becton scenario and not be a troll. 

 

 As a fan I just want to see a winning team or even one that is competitive or entertaining and if that happens I will crown joe and sing his praises but another 2-4 win team and I will bash Joe-not because I hate him but his job is to get us wins

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

No.  I can honestly tell you Fid, I do not think you're stupid.

Stubborn and deeply biased about player above team, perhaps.  But not stupid.

So name them.  And link the post that proves this out.

He's our QB.  Of course I want him to do well for as long as he is OUR QB.  

And if he doesn't do well or shows he is unlikely to do well in the future, then I want him gone, asap, to get a better QB here, because THAT would be best for the JETS.  

Team > Player, always.  

I may think Zach is the worst QB in human history (I don't think that, for the record, lol) and I'd STILL want him to do well when he is OUR QB on Sundays.

That is my point, these are two separate and distinct concepts.  Evaluation of a Player vs. Fandom for that Player While Playing for Us.

I have screamed my guts out for guys I thought sucked donkey balls, or I thought were sh*t human beings:  Because they were Jets at that time on gameday. 

What too many folks cannot seem to separate is those two distinct concepts.  I do not have to fall in dreamy-eyed love with a human being, or think he's the bestest bestest ever to root for him to do well while wearing Jets green on Sundays.

Your complaint isn't that people are actually rooting for Zach to fail, because no Jets fan actually does that. 

Your complaint is that not enough people profess their undying love and unending faith, fanbgirl style, for Zach, and think he's the bestest QB ever or will be soon.  

Link the post where someone is "gloating about Zach's failure" in a way that says the weren't rooting for Zach to play well during the game.

You are familiar with disappointment and the ways human beings cope with it, right?  

Again, if someone mocks a Zach fanboi for being wrong about Zach after Zach sh*ts the bed, that doesn't mean they wanted Zach to fail in the game.  It means they're coping, poorly, with the after-effect of that failure.

Well duh, obviously.  Lol.

You're not the arbiter of what criticism is legitimate or what constitutes Jetsfandom.  Neither am I.  Neither of us should lay claim to telling other fans what kind of fan they are.

This is one of those things that only ever happens on the internet as well, because if you told some oldschool long-suffering diehard Jets fan he was a sh*t fan in the parking lot at the stadium because he "wanted Zach to fail" for grumbling about him after a loss, your jaw wouldn't stay in place for very long. 

Complaints like that only live in the distant anonymity of the web.

So name them and link the posts. 

Till then, nothing but hot air IMO, the usual personality-cult driven nonsense of fans who hate it that other fans don't love their beloved guy as much as they do.

Seen it for every QB, Pennington Fans did it a ton back in the day, Sanchez Fans, even Geno Fans, Sammyboy Fans, now Zach Fans.  Like clockwork.

And there is nothing you can do or say that gives you the right to judge another mans Fandom.

There are many posters on this board who don't like Wilson, JD, and/or Saleh and are obviously rooting against them because they would rather get the few minutes of pleasure in self proclaiming themselves as experts and being "right" over potentially years of football success for the Jets.  It solves nothing to name posters.  Just look at thread after thread about how JD is not a good GM when nothing has happened to warrant a new thread.  Just look at the number of threads or posts about the Jets record the past 2-3 years or when a player signs with another team.  And look at the number of threads or posts that bash Wilson. Nothing has changed for Wilson since the first week of January.  The story of 2022 and whether he improves or not will not be told until late 2022.  What is gained by restating last year's stats ?  Let's wait and see. Same with Becton. Before we write him off, let's see what happens this weekend and then in August.  Nobody knows. It gets old reading the same crap day after day by the "I want to be right about the Jets being bad/wrong/not rebuilding correctly/darksider crowd

[Spoot-Face]

13 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

LOL.  Gee I wish I could post what I'm thinking now...

[Gastineau Lives]

1 hour ago, Spoot-Face said:

I expect to see you at the Zach Wilson Breakout Year Celebration Orgy: Brought to you by Pepsi

LMAO if you can get Shane to be there, I'm in. I can't even get him to go to a Jets game, so don't hold your breath.

[Warfish]

2 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

There are many posters on this board who don't like Wilson, JD, and/or Saleh and are obviously rooting against them because they would rather get the few minutes of pleasure in self proclaiming themselves as experts and being "right" over potentially years of football success for the Jets.

2 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

 It solves nothing to name posters.

Because you can't.

2 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Just look at thread after thread about how JD is not a good GM when nothing has happened to warrant a new thread.

Every conceivable topic gets 100 threads. 

Again, welcome to the internet, glad you've decided to join the rest of us online.

2 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Just look at the number of threads or posts about the Jets record the past 2-3 years or when a player signs with another team.

Wait, so fans talk about things, and even second guess things, on a football fan forum no less, when their team goes 2-14 and 4-13?

Amazing, who could have foreseen that? 

2 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

And look at the number of threads or posts that bash Wilson. Nothing has changed for Wilson since the rest week of January.  The story of 2022 and whether he improves or not will not be told until late 2022.

Then why are YOU here, talking about Wilson?  You seem to be of a mindset that no one should talk about him till the end of 2022, so what are you breaking your own wish and talking about him?  Guess we'll see you at the end of 2022, when you're ready to talk about Wilson.  

2 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

 What is gained by restating last year's stats ?

Anything from insight to simple passing of time.

2 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Let's wait and see.

Do we have a choice?

2 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Same with Becton. Before we write him off, let's see what happens this weekend and then in August.  Nobody knows. It gets old reading the same crap day after day by the "I want to be right about the Jets being bad/wrong/not rebuilding correctly/darksider crowd

Simple solution, don't read the forum or open threads with JWWS-offensive titles if you don't like what's being written.  

Problem solved.  For you and us.

[Jetty]

Sam Darnold looked better as a rookie, and now we know he is terrible.

Zach is a bust until he proves otherwise.

 

[Drums]

He got some hate during the season, and that will happen when you are throwing balls into the ******* ground, but since the season ended, the hate has 100% shifted to Becton and JD. 

[munchmemory]

2 minutes ago, Drums said:

He got some hate during the season, and that will happen when you are throwing balls into the ******* ground, but since the season ended, the hate has 100% shifted to Becton and JD. 

Wait until you see the house cleaning after this season.

[Spoot-Face]

7 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

LMAO if you can get Shane to be there, I'm in. I can't even get him to go to a Jets game, so don't hold your breath.

If we tell him Eric Mangini is going to be there, he'll show.

[Warfish]

4 minutes ago, Jetty said:

Sam Darnold looked better as a rookie, and now we know he is terrible.

Zach is a bust until he proves otherwise.

 

Interesting.

Lets test the OP theory here:

1. Are your rooting AGAINST Zach Wilson on Sundays?  

2. Would you rather be right that Zach Wilson is a bust, or see the Zach-led Jets win a Super Bowl?

Yes or no questions.  Thanks in advance.

[Green Ghost]

You know what I hate?
We’ve got another one of these guys trying to push his content here.

Why has this become a thing?

[Spoot-Face]

3 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

You know what I hate?
We’ve got another one of these guys trying to push his content here.

Why has this become a thing?

I've got some theories which I've outlined in my 3-hour long podcast. I'll post it up here soon.

[Hal N of Provo]

10 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Because you can't.

 

That’s not really 100% true.  I could find multiple posts from several that look bad - like in that moment it’s tough to see those post other than enjoying Wilson struggling.

But if you followed the same posters over time I agree that you would see they want Wilson to succeed.

Part of the fun being around fully invested people. Nobody should be held to game day posts or even some game week posts lol.  

[Green Ghost]

5 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

I've got some theories which I've outlined in my 3-hour long podcast. I'll post it up here soon.