Wit Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 The only gift that Aaron’s injury gives the jets is that once this season is over Zach will be done in NY and be a career back up. Otherwise he was the heir apparent after Rodgers retired. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GangGreened Posted October 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: At least 10 right now... Bryce young, pj walker, Russell Wilson, Gardner minshew, garopollo, Pickett, ridder, Dobbs, Bagent, taylor to name 10 All of these guys are statistically better than he is. Before you tell me the stats don’t tell the story, have you watched all of these QBs extensively this year? The guys that aren’t bolded, would you be happy with them as your QB? what is your basis for this? Gardner Minshew has a 64 QBR compared to Zachs 36. Russell Wilson has a 16/4 TD/INT with a 101 QB rating. Can you show your reasoning on just these two examples? It’s okay to say Zach Wilson is not a good QB. It’s a very common opinion. Go check out FootballsFuture and see what neutral fans think of him. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wit Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 If this was a team that had a winning record last year and was poised to take the next step, maybe I could see trading for a QB. But I'm not going to kill JD for not giving up assets for a chance to sneak into the playoffs. He already traded premium assets for Rodgers.I agree with this. He should have signed a better back up in the offseason and had Zach learn as the QB3. At this point see what Zach gives you and move on. It’s a shame to waste this defense but what can you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, GangGreened said: All of these guys are statistically better than he is. Before you tell me the stats don’t tell the story, have you watched all of these QBs extensively this year? The guys that aren’t bolded, would you be happy with them as your QB? what is your basis for this? Gardner Minshew has a 64 QBR compared to Zachs 36. Russell Wilson has a 16/4 TD/INT with a 101 QB rating. Can you show your reasoning on just these two examples? It’s okay to say Zach Wilson is not a good QB. It’s a very common opinion. Go check out FootballsFuture and see what neutral fans think of him. Putting Wilson ahead of Russ is someone who’s trolling. Same with Minshew. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Team stinks. Zach is carrying the team. He's not the backup. He's the Jets starting QB for the next 10 plus years. Get used to it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Jets beat Chargers 17-13. "This is unsustainable! We are going backwards" Jets beat Raiders 20-9. "This is garbage! It's not fair to the defense!" Jets make playoffs. "This is setting the team back! Now we will never be rid of Zach Wilson!" May happen. May not happen. But even making it back to the AFCCG won't satisfy everyone because we didn't get to see it happen with Mike White, or even Trevor Sieman leading the charge. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: Kudos to Breer for adjusting on the fly to puke out 800 words on Zach Wilson. Poor guy had that “Brian Daboll Redemption” story half written, then had to scrap it. Mark of a professional journo. yes well chat gpt is very versatile these days 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asymmetrical Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, nycdan said: Jets beat Chargers 17-13. "This is unsustainable! We are going backwards" Jets beat Raiders 20-9. "This is garbage! It's not fair to the defense!" Jets make playoffs. "This is setting the team back! Now we will never be rid of Zach Wilson!" May happen. May not happen. But even making it back to the AFCCG won't satisfy everyone because we didn't get to see it happen with Mike White, or even Trevor Sieman leading the charge. tbf this would be very funny. it would make me sad but, objectively, its funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, GangGreened said: All of these guys are statistically better than he is. Before you tell me the stats don’t tell the story, have you watched all of these QBs extensively this year? The guys that aren’t bolded, would you be happy with them as your QB? what is your basis for this? Gardner Minshew has a 64 QBR compared to Zachs 36. Russell Wilson has a 16/4 TD/INT with a 101 QB rating. Can you show your reasoning on just these two examples? It’s okay to say Zach Wilson is not a good QB. It’s a very common opinion. Go check out FootballsFuture and see what neutral fans think of him. Russell Wilson's QB rating is 16 points higher than it was last year with Hackett calling the plays for him. Besides the OL the Jets have the worst OC in the league and a HC who thinks the CEO gives a pep talk before teeing off at the golf course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rep Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Gibby said: Yes he’s the Jets quarterback. Yes- The Jets have won four games with him. Two of said games took absolutely insane things to happen to get the win. Yes- he made two good throws late. Confirmed - he is not turning over the ball at an alarming rate anymore- but still turning it over more than he puts up points. Bottom line is, he is still the absolute worst quarterback in the league ( not sure it’s even close). Cool Can we just run hurry up offense all game long? He seems best when he’s not thinking… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Biggs said: Russell Wilson's QB rating is 16 points higher than it was last year with Hackett calling the plays for him. Besides the OL the Jets have the worst OC in the league and a HC who thinks the CEO gives a pep talk before teeing off at the golf course. Okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Great, he's getting better (let's ignore the fact he took a step back this past Sunday). Perhaps this improved player can actually start leading his team on some sustained TD drives. Until then, color me skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: Pac, when you are getting likes from JF80 on every post, you have to question your thought process bud, too many white russians? Jf80 is the Zach Wilson of posters but on this topic he is mostly correct. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, GangGreened said: All of these guys are statistically better than he is. Before you tell me the stats don’t tell the story, have you watched all of these QBs extensively this year? The guys that aren’t bolded, would you be happy with them as your QB? what is your basis for this? Gardner Minshew has a 64 QBR compared to Zachs 36. Russell Wilson has a 16/4 TD/INT with a 101 QB rating. Can you show your reasoning on just these two examples? It’s okay to say Zach Wilson is not a good QB. It’s a very common opinion. Go check out FootballsFuture and see what neutral fans think of him. I get it you just don't want to agree... It's fine... I see the growth in Zach and I see that although Zach has made a few bone headed plays, that the offense is also failing as a unit that makes Zach look worse then it actually is... I also believe that the offense is getting very close to breaking out if they could just stay healthy for a game or two... I know, I know... The Stat army is going to tell me that the statistics say otherwise... Got it.. Stats also don't show context... In a few weeks maybe I agree with you... But at the moment, I know what I am watching and it's a qb trying to make plays while running for his life in tough conditions with his own teamates causing some of the drive ends.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrene Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, jetswin said: good post, but I want to address the above,,, I remember Nomath getting booed at Shea when I was a kid there, the one constant is Jet fans I guess lol Good point... of course even Joe would eventually have endured a cascade of boos from the Jet's faithful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 hours ago, bonkertons said: Slightly OT but I went to look up his numbers this year and saw his record is only 3-3. Did he not get credited with the win against Buffalo somehow? Starting QB gets the win. The win is credited to Rodgers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: Nah ... I just call it like it is . Do you think others don't? Lol. 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: .. Zach is a young QB that was a project coming out That's not what you said when he came out. 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: forced to play right away with poor coaching. Which you and posters like you demanded. 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: Never developed until this year. Said development not visible in his production. 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: He also has tremendous upside, physical ability, and is learning to process the game at a faster rate. "Tremendous". 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: The team has won with him at QB against the best defenses in the league. Key words "The team won". Zach is 11-17 as a starter. 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: Add into this that the OL has not been in shambles for two straight years. I look forward to your thread critical of JD for failing to build a durable, effective O-line. Or do you think the O-line is nobody's fault, aw shucks, no one to blame..... 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: He still has a high ceiling, but he needs to accelerate his progress with real results in the form of better production .. specifically yards per game and TDs/Ints. A "tremendous" ceiling? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 42 minutes ago, nycdan said: May happen. May not happen. But even making it back to the AFCCG won't satisfy everyone because we didn't get to see it happen with Mike White, or even Trevor Sieman leading the charge. If our Defense finishes #1/#1 in the NFL, and Zach Wilson finishes 32nd amongst starting QB's in every metric, that still won't bother Zach truthers, because "he won games". It's a shame the Jets D isn't getting the credit it deserves from the "Zach wins" folks, because they're about the only reason this team isn't sitting at 1 win right now. Them and Breece Hall. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, nycdan said: Jets beat Chargers 17-13. "This is unsustainable! We are going backwards" Jets beat Raiders 20-9. "This is garbage! It's not fair to the defense!" Jets make playoffs. "This is setting the team back! Now we will never be rid of Zach Wilson!" May happen. May not happen. But even making it back to the AFCCG won't satisfy everyone because we didn't get to see it happen with Mike White, or even Trevor Sieman leading the charge. How did last year play out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 57 minutes ago, Pac said: Jf80 is the Zach Wilson of posters but on this topic he is mostly correct. hes never correct, hes like a broken clock, even when hes right, hes wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Jetfuel66 said: Zach has more talent in his pinky than Rosen had, as well as One MILLION times more guts and Character. Thats why its the right thing to give him this year to develop. Develop what? t!ts? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 42 minutes ago, Warfish said: Zach is 11-17 as a starter. Robert Saleh is 15 and 26 as the HC. It's hard for a young QB to get wins when he plays for a HC who is a consistent loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said: Best part of the article was reading quotes of Zach Wilson explaining plays because he sounds like someone who has an understanding of what he is seeing. I'm gonna go on record and state that I don't think his problem is that he's dumb. I'd argue that it's the opposite. When I see him play, I see someone who is overthinking and overwhelmed. Not a guy who has no idea what he's doing. That's why he looks so much better in situations where there isn't any script. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: hes never correct, hes like a broken clock, even when hes right, hes wrong Kind of hard to argue that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, JetsMetsDevilsPA said: If this is actually true then it's complete bullsh*t. Not that I care for Zac but if the snap percentage is over X that QB should get the win. Right??? Personally I don't see why a QB alone should get a team stat. Sure, he's the most important player on the team but he only plays on one side of the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 If our Defense finishes #1/#1 in the NFL, and Zach Wilson finishes 32nd amongst starting QB's in every metric, that still won't bother Zach truthers, because "he won games". It's a shame the Jets D isn't getting the credit it deserves from the "Zach wins" folks, because they're about the only reason this team isn't sitting at 1 win right now. Them and Breece Hall.The D is awesome ...It's also the side of the ball that has by far the most investment. (Not including Rodgers) It's also been penalized at an astounding rate.They need to clean up their game to become elite.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 37 minutes ago, Pac said: Kind of hard to argue that. over time you will learn, I am the antithesis of JF80, I am always right, even when I am wrong, I am right, which I am not wrong often, but when I am, I am still right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensleeves Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I'll say it again - Zach's issues were not throwing the ball on Sunday. He should have had 300 yards passing in a downpour with a 3rd string center and Becton getting owned by Thibs. The Breece Hall drop was bad, the Lazard drops were really bad, and the GW drop was half bad - half a good play by the D. He had one really bad screen pass - that's it throwing the ball. Zach had 0 turnover worthy throws and he was under duress the whole game. Sensing pressure from his blindside, holding on to the ball too long are the areas he was BAD. Pressure up the middle is the worst spot to get it from and with 3 centers playing it was constant. Once he can master the protections, sense the blitz, and get rid of the ball if nothing is there, then he can be a very good QB. He's making progress. Enough with the D playing great - the QB didn't throw a pass and Barkley still rushed for over a 120 yards when everyone knew they were going to run. The D was playing the worst O in the league and our O was playing a very good D. Our D gifted them the touchdown with so many stupid penalties. The whole TD drive by the Giants was because of penalty yards. Any D in the NFL would have stonewalled the Giants on Sunday with that QB. And the offsides when it mattered most - ughhh. I think the bye week gets everyone out of synch in their defense (pun intended). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: I get it you just don't want to agree... It's fine... I see the growth in Zach and I see that although Zach has made a few bone headed plays, that the offense is also failing as a unit that makes Zach look worse then it actually is... I also believe that the offense is getting very close to breaking out if they could just stay healthy for a game or two... I know, I know... The Stat army is going to tell me that the statistics say otherwise... Got it.. Stats also don't show context... In a few weeks maybe I agree with you... But at the moment, I know what I am watching and it's a qb trying to make plays while running for his life in tough conditions with his own teamates causing some of the drive ends.. Got you, I actually do think Zach Wilson is improving, though marginally. But I still want to know how you conclude he’s better than Minshew and Russell Wilson this year. Do you believe that their supporting casts are truly THAT much better? What is your logic for these claims? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FactsOnly Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 casuals exposed again everyone outside of the majority of this goof fanbase can see the CLEAR GROWTH I LOVE IT!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 hours ago, Warfish said: "Everybody's fault but Zach" crew checking in, clearly. Same dudes were killing MFW for "losing to the Vikings" when Berrios couldn't squeeze a pass in the end zone that hit him in the hands. It's a joke. Or blaming him and not the OL for nearly being sawed in half by dirty Matt Milano. At least Mike got the pass off. Zach would have run backwards and taken the sack fumble 20 yards behind the LOS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, GangGreened said: Got you, I actually do think Zach Wilson is improving, though marginally. But I still want to know how you conclude he’s better than Minshew and Russell Wilson this year. Do you believe that their supporting casts are truly THAT much better? What is your logic for these claims? @Reasonable Jets Fan I see you’re out there giving out neg reps. Can you enlighten us please? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, GangGreened said: @Reasonable Jets Fan I see you’re out there giving out neg reps. Can you enlighten us please? Nothing I say is going to change your mind... You are stubborn and almost as unrelenting as 80, bit, t0m, and Warfish... No use in wasting my time And I didn't give neg rep Context doesn't matter to you guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: Nothing I say is going to change your mind... You are stubborn and almost as unrelenting as 80, bit, t0m, and Warfish... No use in wasting my time Yeah, not even close. I’ve never even started a thread on this board. Show your work. Stop trying to deflect. Show us your reasonability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: Nothing I say is going to change your mind... You are stubborn and almost as unrelenting as 80, bit, t0m, and Warfish... No use in wasting my time And I didn't give neg rep Context doesn't matter to you guys. I’m asking you for the context that makes Zach Wilson better than Gardner Minshew and Russel Wilson. You’re failing to provide it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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