Robert Saleh Poll

[Hex]

Show yourselves so you can be mocked!

[sourceworx]

Fire him. The slow starts, historically bad offense, and lack of discipline (penalties) fall squarely on his shoulders. He is not a good head coach.

JD needs to go as well. His two most important decisions (head coach hire and QB selection) have both proven to be disasters. It's unforgiveable.

[slimjasi]

48 minutes ago, bitonti said:

it doesn't really matter what we think by the way

There's no way Saleh gets fired and Joe Douglas gets to pick a new HC with one year left on his GM deal and this Rodgers cap killer retirement hanging over the franchise 

Oh, you'd have to fire both Saleh and Douglas, for sure. 

It's not happening, so this is all just for discussion. Douglas, Saleh, Hackett, and Rodgers will all be here next year. 

I just don't think Saleh is the leader he was billed as. I don't think you can coach a team to back to back late season collapses and call yourself a good leader.

Saleh is a really nice guy and his players seem to love him, but that doesn't make him a good coach. In all honesty, the fact the players love him so much is probably not a great thing. Winning teams tend to have a healthy amount of tension in the building - there should be some fear of making a mistake and having to be held accountable. You get the impression with this team that the losing doesn't really bother them that much. Eh, I moved a little early on 3rd and short - What's the big deal? The coach is going to pat me on the back, not chew me out. He's a great friend, not a great head coach. 

Saleh has a nice defense - If I were Woody, I'd offer to make him the highest paid DC in the league. If that is too awkward for him, he can get lost. 

[Barry McCockinner]

Peter principle, again. Saleh just isn't head coach material. He is responsible for the mess on offense as much as anyone. It's been tough luck with injuries on offense but far too often their is a lack of accountability and adjustments on offense. 

That said, I don't think there's much of a chance he is not here next year. 

I don't know who might be available when we eventually fire Saleh but we should really try to hire a guy who has been there and done that.  We need to bring in a Sean Payton or Mike McCarthy type guy instead of another guy who likely will fail being promoted to HC for the first time.

 

[Flea Flicking Frank]

16 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Bill Parcells benched Phil Simms for Scott Brunner.  Went with Glenn Foley over Vinny Testaverde.  Twice.  Traded for Rick Mirer and started him until we were out of playoff contention.  I just think he is a fat ******* blowhard, but apparently you think he was a bad coach.

I think his 2 SB rings and 3 appearances, as well as turning around sh*t franchise after sh*t franchise gives him some leeway, and overcomes some obvious bad decisions you mention. If Saleh wins 2 SBs with the Jets I will overlook his terrible job he has done with the offense so far

[dbatesman]

8 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

You get the impression with this team that the losing doesn't really bother them that much. Eh, I moved a little early on 3rd and short - What's the big deal? The coach is going to pat me on the back, not chew me out. He's a great friend, not a great head coach. 

This is it. Everything feels very loose. Sometimes it's macro stuff, like not shopping for a QB at the deadline. Sometimes it's micro stuff like penalties, sloppy routes, etc. But nobody--from the GM to the 53rd guy on the roster--is on top of their sh*t. The Fail Mary is a great example. Watching it again, it's abundantly clear what every single Jet on the field was thinking: "eh, somebody else will probably tackle him before he gets to the end zone."

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

He’s like every other HC. His team is what the QB is. No QB = poor results. 

At least he’s formed a very good defense. And not like Staley in LA doing nothing with a good QB. 

[dcJet]

Wow, the board has turned almost completely around on this since last year's polls.

As others have said, Saleh and JD are a package.  They need to go together.  

Saleh's teams during the second half of last year had no fire for a team playing for a playoff spot.  This year - undisciplined.  He's like Herm.

JD assembled this mess of an offense.  I really feel that any other NFL GM with the same cap space and draft capital would have done better.  

[dcJet]

11 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Peter principle, again. Saleh just isn't head coach material. He is responsible for the mess on offense as much as anyone. It's been tough luck with injuries on offense but far too often their is a lack of accountability and adjustments on offense. 

That said, I don't think there's much of a chance he is not here next year. 

I don't know who might be available when we eventually fire Saleh but we should really try to hire a guy who has been there and done that.  We need to bring in a Sean Payton or Mike McCarthy type guy instead of another guy who likely will fail being promoted to HC for the first time.

 

McCarthy was begging to come here.  JD said no.  Add that to the list of failures.

[sourceworx]

6 minutes ago, dcJet said:

McCarthy was begging to come here.  JD said no.  Add that to the list of failures.

McCarthy was rejected before JD came here. That blunder was on the owners.

[rangerous]

3 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

This season has solidified my feelings on Robert Saleh. Bottom line is he stinks. He has no inclination to become meaningfully involved with the offensive side of the team. A successful HC must put his stamp on the O, the D and the Special Teams. He is a glorified HC of the D and has demonstrated ad infinitum that he is clueless on the O side of the ball. He also has demonstrated that he lacks the ability to identify and hire excellent assistant coaches favoring friends and acquaintances over more qualified candidates. 

Hmmm, sounds like you read something from Nania.  I agree that saleh does not understand the offense.  We know Rex didn’t and I’m not sure if Bowles did either.  That’s no excuse for saleh.  He started off badly by hiring milfy.  I’m not ready to say he compounded it by bringing in Hackett.  He’s done to himself by expecting the defense to keep the points low, which they’ve mostly done.

 Should he be launched? Maybe but next season a lot of salehs issues should be addressed.  Hackett/ Rodgers with an improved oline and some additional skill players might do wonders.  Of course it also means that saleh keeps his nose completely out of the offense.  Their directive should be to just score points.

[Jet_Engine1]

[rex-n-effect]

Saleh is almost certainly here through the Rodgers experiment and if it goes well, he'll remain. The team is not going to blow everything up with a new coaching staff. Conversely, I don't know how many quality head coach candidates would want to slide into this situation.

Saleh deserves a lot of blame for what's going wrong on the offense. He made an awful pick for OC in LaFleur and a second bad pick with Hackett. I don't entirely believe the Hackett hiring was just a lure for Rodgers. Saleh weighs down the offense with a defense first system that forces the offense to give up tempo control and run more short plays to eat up the clock. That's a big part of why the offense stinks every drive. I don't see any good OC candidates wanting to come to a team where the head coach is effectively fighting against the offense. 

 

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, dcJet said:

McCarthy was begging to come here.  JD said no.  Add that to the list of failures.

How does this make sense?  They were considering McCarthy when they hired Gase.  McCarthy was begging to come here in January of 2019.  Mike Maccagnan was GM.  Gase got rid of Maccagnan and they hired Douglas in May.  Would be kind of crooked and strange for Douglas to fire Gase before he ever coached a Jets game when he was the man that got Douglas the gig.  In 2020, when McCarthy took over the Cowboys from Garrett, Gase was coming off a surprisingly successful season and it would have been tough to fire him.  When the Douglas did shop for another coach in 2021 McCarthy was already entering his second year with the Cowboys.

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, JiF said:

As an objective observer of the New York Jets who just truly enjoys conversating w/ their wonderful fanbase, I dont think you have a choice but to roll it back w/ Saleh and see if he can make it work w/ Rodgers.  Not just because Rodgers wants him as the HC but also because, you wont be able to attract a great HC to come play second fiddle to Rodgers till he retires, so you're kind of stuck till this experiment ends. 

I really welcome insight from other fanbases like this.  This one is a keeper, @Maxman

[BigRy56]

Saleh is going to be here longer than Jet fans expect 

[DJF71]

The question is what has he done to get another year. Playoffs? Nope. Winning season? Nope. Beat the Pats? Nope. It's a business that counts the wins. 

[slimjasi]

1 hour ago, dcJet said:

McCarthy was begging to come here.  JD said no.  Add that to the list of failures.

Not quite 

[slimjasi]

1 hour ago, dcJet said:

Wow, the board has turned almost completely around on this since last year's polls.

It’s almost like the team collapsed AGAIN! 

[Jdeet]

I cannot blame Saleh for JD drafting a terrible QB, Aaron Rodgers getting injured, and JD not bringing in a capable backup. The defense is stellar. He needs offense. Thats on JD, not Saleh. Can't blame him for bringing in Hackett either. That brought Rodgers here, which is what they and mostly everyone wanted. He got hurt, but he was our best option.

I am not saying that none of this is on Saleh. I just don't feel he is the main reason. He deserves a chance, at minimum, with Rodgers in 2024. 

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, Jdeet said:

I cannot blame Saleh for JD drafting a terrible QB, Aaron Rodgers getting injured, and JD not bringing in a capable backup. The defense is stellar. He needs offense. Thats on JD, not Saleh. Can't blame him for bringing in Hackett either. That brought Rodgers here, which is what they and mostly everyone wanted. He got hurt, but he was our best option.

I am not saying that none of this is on Saleh. I just don't feel he is the main reason. He deserves a chance, at minimum, with Rodgers in 2024. 

Saleh and Douglas have been on the same page for pretty well every single decision.    Saleh talked him into trading up for Jermaine Johnson, saleh was fully happy getting will McDonald.   He was fully on board with the whole rodgers thing.

Those two should be a package deal, they both stay or they both go.

[GangGreened]

2 hours ago, dcJet said:

McCarthy was begging to come here.  JD said no.  Add that to the list of failures.

Your timeline is off. I wanted McCarthy bad and I hate Chris Johnson because of it.

[dcJet]

24 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Not quite 

I forgot.  Can you guys retell?

[JetsFlyer]

What top coach in his right mind would come here... we get what we can

1 more year then clean it out once again

[Thai Jet]

5 hours ago, shawn306 said:

I voted to give him 1 more year, but if Rodgers see the field this year in a meaningless game then I would want him and Douglas out.

It is all about 2024 now.

Couldnt agree more. The last thing this team needs is for Rodgers to get hurt in a totally meaningless game which, sadly, is all we have left on the schedule. 

[AZSOJ]

4 hours ago, sourceworx said:

Fire him. The slow starts, historically bad offense, and lack of discipline (penalties) fall squarely on his shoulders. He is not a good head coach.

JD needs to go as well. His two most important decisions (head coach hire and QB selection) have both proven to be disasters. It's unforgiveable.

Couldn't agree more... but as others have pointed out they will probably roll out these stiffs again.... 

[DoubleDown]

Let's see how the rest of the season plays out.

I don't think Saleh will survive another non-competitive, ugly end to a season.  As of right now, I do think he is in "1 more year with Rodgers" territory.

[Dunnie]

Let's see how the rest of the season plays out.
I don't think Saleh will survive another non-competitive, ugly end to a season.  As of right now, I do think he is in "1 more year with Rodgers" territory.

I agree for now .. but he is right on that razor edge .. a couple more losses ... 🪓

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[Fantasy Island]

After we get curb stomped by the Falcons, he should be fired.  

[Rochester Jets]

4 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Peter principle, again. Saleh just isn't head coach material. He is responsible for the mess on offense as much as anyone. It's been tough luck with injuries on offense but far too often their is a lack of accountability and adjustments on offense. 

That said, I don't think there's much of a chance he is not here next year. 

I don't know who might be available when we eventually fire Saleh but we should really try to hire a guy who has been there and done that.  We need to bring in a Sean Payton or Mike McCarthy type guy instead of another guy who likely will fail being promoted to HC for the first time.

 

Yup, I think I mentioned this in another thread.  The Jets always are the team promoting to the point of incompetence.  Saleh is a great DC but a poor HC.  I think he, JD, and the rest of the staff should be gone, but I think they’ll all get next year because of Rodgers.  In the meantime, we’re stuck with a lot of incompetence with the coaching and GM.  I hope this turns around quickly, but I’m not confident at all.

[southparkcpa]

2 minutes ago, Rochester Jets said:

Yup, I think I mentioned this in another thread.  The Jets always are the team promoting to the point of incompetence.  Saleh is a great DC but a poor HC.  I think he, JD, and the rest of the staff should be gone, but I think they’ll all get next year because of Rodgers.  In the meantime, we’re stuck with a lot of incompetence with the coaching and GM.  I hope this turns around quickly, but I’m not confident at all.

Great DC??? SF defense didn't miss him one bit.  We are heavily penalized and undisciplined. We have a great D, but credit him? 

He reminds me of REX. No discipline, no offense, Smoke and mirrors. Rex went to Buffalo and their defense got worse.

[Rochester Jets]

4 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

Great DC??? SF defense didn't miss him one bit.  We are heavily penalized and undisciplined. We have a great D, but credit him? 

He reminds me of REX. No discipline, no offense, Smoke and mirrors. Rex went to Buffalo and their defense got worse.

Well he got a HC job because of the success he was at least involved with in SF.  I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his competence at DC.  

[Barry McCockinner]

20 minutes ago, Rochester Jets said:

Yup, I think I mentioned this in another thread.  The Jets always are the team promoting to the point of incompetence.  Saleh is a great DC but a poor HC.  I think he, JD, and the rest of the staff should be gone, but I think they’ll all get next year because of Rodgers.  In the meantime, we’re stuck with a lot of incompetence with the coaching and GM.  I hope this turns around quickly, but I’m not confident at all.

The Sean Payton or McCarthy types don't come around very often. Not sure what the interim plan should be but I wonder if they shouldn't just stick with the current staff until one does and then move aggressively to land them. That's not a vote of confidence for the current staff, it's just wanting to get it right when the opportunity presents itself. Hiring someone else could put you in a spot where it doesn't make sense to fire a coach too quickly or whatever.

[bla bla bla]

6 hours ago, bitonti said:

And conveniently they both have 1 year left on their deals 

Which is guess begs the question do we extend them for a year for appearances? Or can we lame duck them then sign them in season if need be?

[Flea Flicking Frank]

41 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

Great DC??? SF defense didn't miss him one bit.  We are heavily penalized and undisciplined. We have a great D, but credit him? 

He reminds me of REX. No discipline, no offense, Smoke and mirrors. Rex went to Buffalo and their defense got worse.

I think Rex was better TBH as a DC. Saleh's defensive personnel is way better than what Rex had. Rex schemed his way to a very good defense. Saleh doesnt have to do that