Woodys Coordinator fetish

[JOJOTOWNSELL]

We never had someone who has done it before.  Seems to me this is the one constant of the Woody era.  (Dont give me the Gase nonsense)

 

Discuss

[Cut Jet Penalty Makers]

He doesn't want to pay an established coach nor deal with any power dynamic that upsets the owner/coach hierarchy. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

There's plenty of coordinators who become good HC's. Bottom of the list of why this team is so bad so often.

[JOJOTOWNSELL]

14 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

There's plenty of coordinators who become good HC's. Bottom of the list of why this team is so bad so often.

Woody is picking ours lol

[Gen X Jet]

44 minutes ago, JOJOTOWNSELL said:

We never had someone who has done it before.  Seems to me this is the one constant of the Woody era.  (Dont give me the Gase nonsense)

 

Discuss

Gase was Chris Johnson.

[JOJOTOWNSELL]

17 minutes ago, Gen X Jet said:

Gase was Chris Johnson.

Woody and Chris Johnson

 

[rex-n-effect]

You have to find a head coach somewhere when high quality candidates don't want to come here. 

[Plen T]

Almost every great coach now is a coordinator 

the only retread is really Reid, Pederson, Payton and Carrol

[jamesr]

Yeah, next time let's hire one of those out of work guys who won multiple Superbowls recently. I'm sure when KC fires Reid we can grab him.

/sarcasm



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[DonCorleone]

3 hours ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said:

He doesn't want to pay an established coach nor deal with any power dynamic that upsets the owner/coach hierarchy. 

That's why Parcells Jetted out of here.

[shawn306]

4 hours ago, JOJOTOWNSELL said:

We never had someone who has done it before.  Seems to me this is the one constant of the Woody era.  (Dont give me the Gase nonsense)

 

Discuss

They know working for Woody is a death sentence 

[Doggin94it]

4 hours ago, JOJOTOWNSELL said:

We never had someone who has done it before.  Seems to me this is the one constant of the Woody era.  (Dont give me the Gase nonsense)

 

Discuss

It's pretty simple, actually: Good head coaches don't come free all that often. HCs get fired because they don't do well, not because they're great. It's rare that you get a "still very good HC who leaves because he's gotten stale for that team specifically" or "guy who lost a power struggle"; over the last 2 decades that's basically Andy Reid (could have taken a shot at him after the 2012 season, I guess), Sean Payton, and Doug Pederson. That's it. Harbaugh and Cowher were never really available. Does Mike McCarthy excite you? Retread HCs tend to suck

[Doggin94it]

1 hour ago, rex-n-effect said:

You have to find a head coach somewhere when high quality candidates don't want to come here. 

Saleh was basically the No. 1 candidate on the market the year we hired him. The woe-is-me crap is getting old

[68JET11]

59 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

Saleh was basically the No. 1 candidate on the market the year we hired him. The woe-is-me crap is getting old

In who's mind ???  There were many other candidates that we should have hired that probably would have done a better job then the stair master. McCarthy, McDaniel (Fins), and OC Monken, etc.... Hell if JD really asked, I'm sure with his connection he could have talked Pedersen into talking the job. Saleh wasn't on the top of the list, just the list of people that might actually take the job.

[UntouchableCrew]

Head Coaches who were successful in their first stint are rare and very expensive. As others have pointed out -- the guys who work out stay in their jobs for a long time. Guys who get fired usually got fired for a reason. 

Better question is why six of his seven hires have been former DCs/defensive coaches when the team hasn't had a franchise QB since the 70s.

[varjet]

2 hours ago, Plen T said:

Almost every great coach now is a coordinator 

the only retread is really Reid, Pederson, Payton and Carrol

McCarthy.

We have had him.  He is basically the OC, and with a real DC/former HC and Will McClay finding players, the Cowboys are a contender.  

[dbatesman]

6 hours ago, JOJOTOWNSELL said:

(Dont give me the Gase nonsense)

I mean, it seems pretty relevant to note that the one time Woody hired an experienced head coach, it was also a disaster.

There's nothing inherently wrong with hiring coordinators. It's where most successful head coaches come from. Woody's just terrible at hiring generally.

[Green Ghost]

6 hours ago, JOJOTOWNSELL said:

We never had someone who has done it before.  Seems to me this is the one constant of the Woody era.  (Dont give me the Gase nonsense)

 

Discuss

 

5 hours ago, JOJOTOWNSELL said:

Woody is picking ours lol

 

5 hours ago, JOJOTOWNSELL said:

Woody and Chris Johnson

 

Gase WAS a HC though, so why is that nonsense?

Look, if the entire point of this dumb thread is to dump on the owner, here’s a reality check for you. Johnson owns this team and he gets to do what he wants with it.
You get to sit, watch, be okay with that or leave. He doesn’t need to please you. You’re a nobody.

[Beerfish]

The jets interview good candidates and then chose the worst one.    Woody and all owners need to stay the hell out of the process, totally.  You hire the gm and it is his and his staffs job to choose the staff under them.

Does not happen any more but this is one of the times 'the good old days' was the proper way.

[Green Ghost]

7 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

The jets interview good candidates and then chose the worst one.    Woody and all owners need to stay the hell out of the process, totally.  You hire the gm and it is his and his staffs job to choose the staff under them.

Does not happen any more but this is one of the times 'the good old days' was the proper way.

When did the owners not get involved? Hell, in “the good old days” some owners even coached their teams.
Jerry Jones has been the GM in Dallas for years.

You know what’s cool about owning something? It’s yours. You can do just about whatever you want with it.

 

[Green Ghost]

The team keeps losing. The owner continues to make a fortune. The fans continue to give the team their money and devotion.
Yet in the fan’s mind, the owner is the idiot.
You can’t make this sh*t up.

[Sperm Edwards]

2 hours ago, DonCorleone said:

That's why Parcells Jetted out of here.

Parcells jetted out to **** over Kraft so he'd sabotage Belichick's defection back to NE. He stepped down as HC just before BB was hired there.

Also he said he was only going to coach here 3 years.

Also with his marriage on the rocks even as the GM he knew he was getting divorced and it'd lower his alimony if he had no football income at the time of the divorce settlement (which is why, despite Glazer thinking it was a done deal when he fired Dungy, Parcells surprised him by turning down the Tampa job in January '02, as his wife's attorney was surely dragging it out in case he got another lucrative HC position before the divorce was finalized, which would entitle her to half his considerable salary). Then after turning it down, his divorce finished and he signed on to be the Cowboys HC the next season. Also is why Glazer panicked into giving up so much for Gruden from out of nowhere, though that obviously paid off with a SB win that season.

IOW Parcells, for all his plusses as a coach, was just a spiteful douchebag of a person. What people today know of Woody was incidental  back then and, if anything, as NFL royalty was Parcells would've known he could walk all over a rich wimp like Woody for as long as he wanted.

[rex-n-effect]

2 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

Saleh was basically the No. 1 candidate on the market the year we hired him. The woe-is-me crap is getting old

When the Jets need to go out and find a head coach, GM, or coordinator, there's more than one story about candidates declining to come interview. Just trying to replace LaFleur last offseason left a pile of declined RSVPs. 

[Green Ghost]

8 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

When the Jets need to go out and find a head coach, GM, or coordinator, there's more than one story about candidates declining to come interview. Just trying to replace LaFleur last offseason left a pile of declined RSVPs. 

Was that because of the GM and his CS or the owner?

I know if I were a up and coming OC I wouldn’t want to be associated with the stink of Douglas and Saleh from last year (and now this one too).

As far as HCs, they’re going to look at which situation is the best fit for them. If the Jets come calling very few are going to turn them down… ever. NFL Jobs’s don’t grow on trees. You might have 5-6 openings a year if that.

[Sonny Werblin]

3 hours ago, Plen T said:

Almost every great coach now is a coordinator 

the only retread is really Reid, Pederson, Payton and Carrol

Bellichick, McCarthy , Rivera, Bowles

[bitonti]

2 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

Does Mike McCarthy excite you?

Why does everyone drag McCarthy? He's 10-4 right now 

Should he be undefeated? 

 

[Larz]

The top shelf guys won’t come here. It’s a pointless discussion 

[hawk]

Woody owns a football team because he was fortunate enough to be born into money.  He has done nothing to earn anything, and it shows with the way the team is run.

Step aside, and let people that know what they are doing run it.

He will get credit by proxy like he always has in his life.

[AL047]

Woody has meddling problem, and it shows every time he puts his hands into something. This year alone is all on Woody Johnson, he was the one that wanted Aaron Rodgers, then made GM Joe Douglas trade for him but for that to happen he had Douglas hire Hackett as the offensive coordinator and sign both WRs Lazard and Cobb. Those moves were made so Rodgers would come to the Jets.

In the end like everything else Woody Johnson has touched has failed badly. Now the Jets are in a dilemma with who they sign and let go. Going into 2024 the Jets need a OT, WR, ILB, and S it is obvious they won't have the cap to sign all of their own players or any free agents. But one thing is true they are stuck with Hackett as the offensive coordinator and hopefully Rodgers finishes a whole season this year.

[Bleedin Green]

It's always entertaining to watch how much the story changes around here from one moment to the next, to best fit the newest narrative.  After all, it was a very popular topic when the team's front office restructure had the HC reporting to the GM, as a result it was widely discussed it was JD who had the final say to hire Saleh.

Of course, if it had gone well it surely would have been solely credited to that guy every other team passed over, who many here celebrated as a savior before he had done a single thing, and continued to do so even after a few horrific offseasons were already piled up, before Saleh even coached a single game.  However, now that it's all gone to hell, let's rewrite history, so that those celebrating JD for years can pretend he wasn't awful at everything he did the entire time.

In the end, it doesn't really matter who is making the decision though.  It has nothing to do with them being hung up on some ridiculous criteria, if anything we've seen a constant shift in the type of coach, trying to find the next guy who is least like the last.  The Jets have consistently hired from the list of "hot" candidates of the particular offseason, as the overwhelming majority of teams do.  Those decisions may have ultimately been more bad than good, but the reason for that has little to do with the hires being coordinators.

It's hardly like we'd all be thrilled with the state of this team by any measure if they had brought in Marvin Lewis, as instead it would be talk about the stupidity of bringing in another team's trash when this dumpster fire of a team was still failing.  Meanwhile, Saleh could very well get himself another chance in the league one day, just like Bowles currently has, and Rex, Mangini, and Herm all did before that.

[HawkeyeJet]

It’s not that he’s hiring coordinators, it’s the archetype of coordinator he is drawn to.  Since he took over, Woody has hired 6 coaches(5 if you say Chris hired Gase). Outside of Gase, he’s hired 5 Defensive Coordinators. There appears to be a definite pattern as well.

I think his favorite “type” is the high energy, big personality with flashy sayings etc.  This is Herm, Rex and Saleh.  This is the type that can woo him easiest.  This just so happens to be a coach type you find a lot more on the defensive side of the ball.

After these coaches wear out their welcome, he shifts to opposite personalities but for some reason stays on the defensive side of the ball.  His defensive over-correction type is the stoic defensive tactician.  Mangini & Bowles.  He listens to the media make fun of his rah-rah guys so switches to milquetoast.

Hopefully the next hire breaks that cycle and we get a mildly entertaining but relatively bland offensive coordinator.  That will be the one.  It’s like when George Costanza did the opposite of everything his instincts told him and he turned everything to gold.

[JOJOTOWNSELL]

Fwiw i made just about the same post when Todd Bowles was sucking up the joint.  Something has to change here

[sourceworx]

How about this guy for a retread?

[Doggin94it]

On 12/18/2023 at 4:53 PM, rex-n-effect said:

When the Jets need to go out and find a head coach, GM, or coordinator, there's more than one story about candidates declining to come interview. Just trying to replace LaFleur last offseason left a pile of declined RSVPs. 

That's nice. But it's not what happened in 2021.

[Doggin94it]

Whiners: "The Jets always get the leftovers ... waaaah"

 

Reality - here's what the NFL reporters were saying at the time:

 

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The NFL has its seven new head coaches for the 2021 season — and none of them have been a head coach in the NFL before. Although they all are considered rookies, there also is a college legend and a sexagenarian in the mix.

There was little diversity, with only one Black coach joining the ranks of the league's sideline leaders (compared to the two who were fired from their posts this offseason). Two teams went with former defensive coordinators. Two teams went with former offensive coordinators. Two teams went with former assistant head coaches. One stood alone in going non-NFL, reaching into the college ranks.

 

With all that in mind, here's a ranking of the NFL's coaching hires, from best to worst.

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Ranking NFL's new head coach hires for 2021

1. Robert Saleh, Jets

Saleh, 41, was a hot candidate during the 49ers' Super Bowl run of 2019 for his exceptional work with their often dominant defense. He might have been more impressive getting the most out of an injury-riddled unit in 2020. Based on how his players responded to him in San Francisco, he's the right blend of organized schemer and fiery motivator. He is a much better fit for New York than Adam Gase and, in typical NFL coach-replacing fashion, is a polar opposite of his predecessor, which already sounds great.

Saleh was passionate about getting his gig in New York and is meant to have a strong relationship with general manager Joe Douglas, far removing the Jets from their former Gase-Mike Maccagnan power struggle. Saleh can clean up the defensive issues in a hurry and was smart to hire Mike LaFleur, the brother of the Packers' coach and another Kyle Shanahan assistant, as his offensive coordinator to turn things around there. Saleh also was wise to give up his defensive play-calling duties, instead trusting Jeff Ulbrich, who helped the Falcons improve in the second half of last season.

MORE: Jets return to defensive posture with Robert Saleh hire

2. Nick Sirianni, Eagles

The Eagles punted on going up the Andy Reid tree again and instead chose the Frank Reich tree, with the intention of fixing franchise quarterback Carson Wentz. Sirianni, 39, was ready for the jump after learning from and working well with Reich. 

Siranni also made good coordinator hires. He plucked Shane Steichen, who help develop Justin Herbert fast with the Chargers, to lead the offense. Then he convinced former Colts cornerbacks coach Jonathan Gannon to leave Reich and Matt Eberflus to bring Indianapolis' strong defensive sensibilities to Philadelphia. 

Fans in New York and Philly are hard to please with the right coaches. Both Saleh and Sirianni are capable of big success in big markets with strong backgrounds and recent winning experience.

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3. Urban Meyer, Jaguars

The Jaguars on paper ended up with one of modern football's greatest coaches at any level. But the big wild card will be how Meyer, 56, does as the main personnel man, adjusting to drafting, trading and free agency vs. recruiting. As seen in the past, there are a wide range of outcomes for college winners to make the jump, from Jimmy Johnson's success to Nick Saban's failures.

Meyer will try to bring his mojo from Gainesville to Jacksonville, with a little bit of Columbus mixed in. He tapped into the Ravens for defensive coordinator Joe Cullen and also brought in former Seahawks and Lions offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell. There's a clear direction in trying to make the most of landing Trevor Lawrence at No. 1 overall in the draft to be the franchise QB. There's confidence Meyer will do some winning in the NFL, too, but there are enough unknown variables to keep him below the other two.

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4. Brandon Staley, Chargers

Staley, 38, had an exceptional season molding the Rams' talented defense into an elite unit and parlayed that into becoming the latest young hire from the Sean McVay tree. For his coordinators, Staley plucked Renaldo Hill from division rival Denver for defense and also landed longtime New Orleans assistant Joe Lombardi for offense.

The Chargers were smart to go defensive-minded as Herbert and the highly skilled offense is fine and should get better with some line help. But Staley and Hill can work to get much more out of group anchored by Joey Bosa and hopefully a back-healthy Derwin James. The Chargers are positioned to emerge as the Chiefs' best challengers in the AFC West with the potential to at least earn wild-card status again in 2021.

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5. Arthur Smith, Falcons

The Falcons also went for a hot under-40 candidate in the former Titans offensive coordinator to replace defensive-minded Dan Quinn. Along with Smith, 38, Atlanta made a shrewd general manager hire in former Saints pro scouting director Terry Fontenot. Smith will have former Bears passing game coordinator Dave Ragone as his new offensive coordinator. He also was shrewd to bring former Ravens and Titans defensive coordinator Dean Pees back into the NFL in that capacity for the Falcons.

Atlanta needs to get back to a more balanced, diverse attack to lift Matt Ryan. It needed to flip to a different style of defense and Pees' base 3-4 makes sense to better take advantage of existing talent. Quinn and Thomas Dimitroff got this team to the Super Bowl, so Smith and Fontenot have a high bar. Making the needed philosophical overhauls is a good start.

6. David Culley, Texans

When looking at the hires, Nos. 1-5 make a lot of sense in relation to the offensive, defensive, personnel and personality direction in which a team needed to go. Here's the dropoff, as Houston went with Culley, the 65-year-old longtime former Ravens assistant, over the two Bills' coordinators, Leslie Frazier and Brian Daboll, and Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy. Culley's hiring isn't good enough to keep Deshaun Watson around for him and GM Nick Caserio.

Culley is keeping offensive coordinator Tim Kelly, who did very well with Watson after Bill O'Brien was fired midseason but now is looking at operating without Watson. Just as interesting is Culley turning to former Bears, Buccaneers and Illinois coach Lovie Smith, 62, as the defensive coordinator charged with a massive makeover.

As the last team hiring a coach, the Texans seemed a bit ragtag and going against the grain of what the others did. With the mixed results from the Broncos going with Fangio in a similar circumstance, color us skeptical.

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7. Dan Campbell, Lions

The Lions went from the defensive-minded, player-unfriendly Matt Patricia to the offensive-minded, rah-rah Campbell. Campbell, 44, has entrusted just-fired Chargers head coach Anthony Lynn as offensive coordinator and former Saints assistant Aaron Glenn as defensive coordinator.

First off, Detroit shouldn't have been roasted for hiring Campbell vs. a minority coach, given that it also hired two minority coordinators along with new GM Brad Holmes, the Rams' former college scouting director. Second, with that out of the way, Campbell and Lynn also are presented with an immediate big challenge with the looming transition from quarterback Matthew Stafford to likely a rookie.

The other hires were based on scheming brilliance and staffing experience, while Campbell, the one-time Dolphins interim head coach, is somewhere in limbo on that spectrum. He's a wild card like Meyer, only with nothing close to the same individual winning resume. Someone had to be last and, given how good this round of hires feels, Campbell is that guy.

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