GM OR Coaching

[SickJetFan]

I tend to think they have all equally sucked but I think it could go either way

[TuscanyTile2]

How do I even answer this?  Saleh was worse but JD picked Saleh.

[GangGreened]

Voted equally, but if I HAD to pick one, it’d be Douglas. Just awful outside of his 2022 draft.

[SickJetFan]

Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

How do I even answer this?  Saleh was worse but JD picked Saleh.

interesting catch 22

[playtowinthegame]

This entire team from the players to the head coach is JD's baby. 

[Lith]

I think it is Saleh and his staff.  They are incapable of developing any young offensive talent.  Sure, it is possible that Becton, Mims, Carter, Moore, Wilson and Ruckert were all bad picks.  But none of these guys have gotten any better under Saleh and whatever offensive staff he has in place.   And some of these guys looked pretty good as rookies but never got any better.  Michael Carter had a nice rookie season, as did Becton.  Mims and Moore both contributed as rookies but never got much better.  Wilson looked like the same guy in year 3 that he was in year 1.

I fully expect both guys to be back next year, and they are in this together, so if we move on from one we should move on from both.  But I do think Saleh does not have a feel for the offensive side of the ball and has not hired the right people to take control.

[HessStation]

💯 the Owner. Start there first. Complete trash. 

[JetsFanatic]

Before this season Saleh would have been the easy choice. However after obtaining Rodgers (which was necessary because JD blew the Zach pick), JD did a poor job including making Zach the #2 qb.  

[32EBoozer]

I’d like to add another choice.

* Strength, Conditioning & Medical Staff

[JiFtheOracle]

Ummmmmm, it's 100% JD.  He's the guy in charge and he picked Saleh.  JD selected Zach Wilson.  JD handed over control of the Jets to Aaron Rodgers.  While JD has done a good job of finding young talent via the draft, his best player is still a hold over from Big Mac and his FA acquisitions have been pretty awful sans DJ Reed.   Worst of all, how he's handle the QB position is the most egregious transgression in GM history.  First and foremost, the selection of Zach Wilson w/ a clear and obvious better prospect on the board, compounding the mistake by allowing him to start week 1 w/ an all rookie staff and no veteran presence in the lockerroom, trading for Flacco mid-season because Zach was injured only to then turn it over to Mike White, and then whatever the **** they did the next season w/ Wilson, Flacco, White and then signing Rodgers to go all in but then backed up w/ your biggest mistake that just looms over the franchise, Zach Wilson.

Saleh sucks but how the **** do you manage this as HC?  His D is respectable and that's what he's known for and you have to assume his success as a DC was what was put him in the running for a HC, so he's at the very least delivering to an extent at what he's know for whereas, JD was supposedly known to be an incredible OL scout and at the very least, was going to build a concrete wall upfront and look how that's turned out.

 

[SickJetFan]

1 minute ago, 32EBoozer said:

I’d like to add another choice.

* Strength, Conditioning & Medical Staff

That could probably fall in the 4th choice there

[32EBoozer]

13 minutes ago, HessStation said:

💯 the Owner. Start there first. Complete trash. 

He selected the turf!

Woody says:

[Hex]

Players underperformed and regressed on the Jets. That's on Saleh. 

[Creepy Lurker]

29 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

Voted equally, but if I HAD to pick one, it’d be Douglas. Just awful outside of his 2022 draft.

I voted for him. He’s atrocious. Salad has been horrible but JD completely destroyed the offense.

[Adoni Beast]

Saleh is in over his head. JD has certainly made some really bad whiffs and did hire Saleh. 

[Biggs]

I voted Saleh.  JD at least had the good sense to go into witness protection this year.

[sec101row23]

Both have had major impacts on why this team is where it is, but IMO JD bears more of this responsibility.   He failed miserably when drafting Zach, his free agent signings have been pretty bad and other than one good draft has had bad results when drafting.   His insistence on keep Zach around as QB2 and still proclaiming him the future was a fatal error.   Deferring personnel moves to Aaron or to please Aaron was another failure.  Now he has a team that has no future beyond a season or two with 40 year old QB.   He’s been bad at his job, really bad.  

[GangGreened]

13 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said:

I voted for him. He’s atrocious. Salad has been horrible but JD completely destroyed the offense.

Worse GM than Mike Mac, that’s quite the accomplishment 

[Larz]

Injuries and the curse. When you bring in a Mt. Rushmore QB and he lasts 4 plays you have to accept that football is entertainment only. 
 

It’s also rigged for ratings and gamblers 

[Beerfish]

Both but Douglas had a worse year this past year by a lot.

[SCRUNO]

Maybe it's a combination of motivated but dumb players. Saleh seems to be a good motivator but the mistakes on the field are about teaching. And maybe we have a bunch of dummies on the field. Or really bad teachers. 

[TuscanyTile2]

2 minutes ago, SCRUNO said:

Maybe it's a combination of motivated but dumb players. Saleh seems to be a good motivator but the mistakes on the field are about teaching. And maybe we have a bunch of dummies on the field. Or really bad teachers. 

Good motivator - lol.

[Bleedin Green]

It's JD and the front office, and there's not even a slightly coherent argument that could be made otherwise if being aware of their respective jobs.  He and his group have been doing it worse and for longer than anyone.  Not to mention JD is directly responsible for this coaching staff, so also gets the blame for their issues on top of his own individual failures, which have both preceded and coincided with Saleh and the other coaches' time.

Any claim otherwise is a repeat of the nonsensical blaming of Bowles for Maccagnan's failures 5 years ago, which was a laughable argument even then, and has since proven to be objectively wrong in every way.

The only thing JD has going for him is many apparently have the memory of a goldfish, given the media isn't trashing him as frequently solely because he refuses to talk, hiding away while letting others take all of the continuous blame for his own failures.  As incompetent as he is at building this team, it's even worse yet that he is a level of spineless coward that is truly unmatched, worse than any Jets failures that preceded him.  He was put into a position to have full authority over this team, and has repeatedly shown to be the furthest thing possible from any degree of a leader.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

Both. They seem to be on the same page in regards to the defense but can’t get it together on offense. 
I get everything falls around the QB. But good lord. The WR spot has been botched as much as the OL. 
If it wasn’t for Breece and Wilson with that their god given talent breaking through the slop, they’d have absolutely nothing to show for on that side. 

[Bleedin Green]

To make this more relatable to the regular working world, it's like asking who is the bigger failure at their job, the VP whose entire department has been an unmitigated disaster from top to bottom since the day he got the job, or the most recent manager that VP hired, who oversees one of the continually failing groups within the department?

In any circumstance, is the newest manager really at fault for all historical failures of the VP and all other managers, who manage to keep their jobs and be given no blame while part of the mess for longer (e.g., Hogan, Alexander, Carr)?

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

[Dunnie]

Makes me wish we had access to individual scouts reports so we could assess hit rates of individuals and to see who Douglas is listening to.

I mean if you're a scout and you're nailing your grades ... But Douglas is going on his big gut .... I'd think after a second year of being ignored you'd want outta dodge.

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[Jackie Treehorn]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Good motivator - lol.

 

[bitonti]

100 percent this is JD's fault

the Zach Wilson pick was a franchise doomer 

it doesn't matter how many Sauces and Garretts you pick after that

you pick qb that high and lose the GM is toast that's life in the NFL 

the only way to survive a bust QB pick top 5 is to find a Brock Purdy or other solution 

Rodgers was the other solution and in comes Hackett so that's another huge mistake at JD's feet 

Saleh is a glorified DC he does what he does at a fine level. Not amazing not terrible he's fine.  

WHen everyone gets fired Saleh will get a job (many other jobs) and Joe Douglas won't. 

[TuscanyTile2]

5 minutes ago, bitonti said:

100 percent this is JD's fault

the Zach Wilson pick was a franchise doomer 

it doesn't matter how many Sauces and Garretts you pick after that

you pick qb that high and lose the GM is toast that's life in the NFL 

the only way to survive a bust QB pick top 5 is to find a Brock Purdy or other solution 

Rodgers was the other solution and in comes Hackett so that's another huge mistake at JD's feet 

Saleh is a glorified DC he does what he does at a fine level. Not amazing not terrible he's fine.  

WHen everyone gets fired Saleh will get a job (many other jobs) and Joe Douglas won't. 

If Saleh was fired after this year, I don't think he'd ever get a HC job again (he would get a DC job though).  He still has a chance to change people's opinions next year though.

I could still see JD getting another GM job though, due to that one outstanding draft.

[The Crusher]

Why just pick one? 

[Integrity28]

[SCRUNO]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Good motivator - lol.

That came out wrong. I meant he's a motivational type of guy.

[FidelioJet]

Overall Saleh was probably worse...but JD had an all-time bad offseason last year.  Far and away worse than any one single year of Staircase Bob...

[Wit]

The season is on JD for not having a competent backup and being blinded by his number 2 draft pick. Things started to unravel mainly because of bad QB play. The coaching on offense has been terrible, true, but that one change would have meant playoffs or at least meaningful games until the end.

Second mistake was misplaying the offensive line, trusting a 38 year old brown when he could barely practice in the preseason.

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