The Tony Pauline article is here! Come on in! JD not a big dog. Saleh still sux. Hogan the leaker.

[Charlie Brown]

3 hours ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-insider-notes-state-jets-confidence-joe-douglas-dips-saleh-methods-questioned-organization-finds-scapegoat-media-leaks

Latest on league opinion on Joe Douglas

For the longest time now, I’ve been told that Douglas doesn’t exert his power and is not the big dog in the organization that people expect him to be. Some have told me Douglas is, “too nice for his own good,” and doesn’t lay down the hammer when he needs to.

While it’s been written that Douglas takes his lead from Aaron Rodgers, which is a result of the general manager not forcing his will rather than an edict from above, many more believe he acquiesces to the wants of Robert Saleh too much.

They point to the 2023 draft when, after trading away picks to acquire Rodgers, the Jets selected Will McDonald with the 15th pick rather than choosing receiver Jaxon Smith-Njigba, who went five slots later to the Seattle Seahawks, or making a move up for offensive tackle Broderick Jones, who was drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers at pick 14 after they purposely traded ahead of the Jets.

McDonald, who has a bright future, did not fit the “win-now” mode the Jets are in, and few believed he was worth selecting in the middle of Round 1. The choice of McDonald had “Saleh pick” written all over it. One year later and the Jets still have a desperate need at offensive tackle with receiver not far behind on the list of priorities.

There have been other instances that made people shake their head.

I’m told that during exit interviews with players after the 2022 season, owner Woody Johnson decided to interject on several occasions. When Johnson chose to be part of the interview, Douglas was described as being a bystander, which is not the norm for most franchises.

There have been moments of glory for the general manager. The 2022 draft was transformational, with the likes of Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson and Breece Hall being harvested that year. Douglas has also hit on a few solid free-agent signings, including cornerback D.J. Reed and tight end Tyler Conklin as well as safety Jordan Whitehead.

Yet there have been more misses than hits. The only other draft pick who has been a consistent producer from the four classes Douglas has engineered is nickel back Michael Carter, a fifth-round pick in 2021. Alijah Vera-Tucker has played well when he’s on the field, but he has missed most of the past two seasons with injury. Mekhi Becton, Douglas’ first pick as general manager and the 11th pick of the 2021 draft, went in reverse last season and is not expected back next year.

For the most part, his free-agent signings have been disasters. Offensive guard Laken Tomlinson has never been effective and was kept around simply because the team needed warm bodies on the offensive line. Defensive end Carl Lawson, the first big free-agent signing by Douglas, tore his Achilles the summer after joining the Jets in 2021, has played in just 23 games and has just seven sacks on his ledger since.

Why Robert Saleh hasn't won too many admirers

Saleh, who took over as Jets head coach in 2021 and has yet to deliver a single season of .500 or better, is well-liked by the media for his soundbites. The same cannot be said for many of the players on his roster.

While it’s true that Saleh never lost the locker room despite being on the brink numerous times, several players and people in the organization tell me that, all too often, Saleh tells players what they want to hear rather than the truth. And the players know that Saleh is not being truthful with them. He then relies on assistant coaches to do the dirty work.

Saleh’s promise of player usage has been a big problem for many in the locker room, such as telling a player he’ll be used in a certain way or see a certain amount of playing time only for the player to find out from a position coach it was never true from the get-go.

And while many say, “This goes on in every franchise,” it tends to have a much more negative impact on a team whose head coach has never delivered a winning season.

The saga of Keith Carter

More than a year ago, when the Jets hired Keith Carter to be the offensive line coach, I reported on the reaction from coaches and NFL personnel in attendance at the Shrine Bowl. A reaction that ranged from disbelief to, “Same old Jets.”

Carter, who coached with Saleh in Seattle a decade earlier, is not highly considered in the league as a coach or his ability to relate to players, and it showed this season. In fact, for more than a year now, multiple people tell me outright that Carter is not only a poor offensive line coach, but he is not liked by many of the players he is coaching on the Jets.

he Jets offensive line, the weak link of the team entering the season, worsened as the year progressed. They did suffer a rash of injuries, yet no player exemplified the downward spiral of the unit better than Mekhi Becton.

Joe Douglas’ first pick as Jets general manager returned from almost a two-year absence and looked good early on. Yet he was getting routinely beaten by week 17, and Becton’s career with the Jets has since come to an end. Yet despite numerous reports that Carter would be axed in the offseason, the Jets chose to keep him on staff and fired running backs coach Taylor Embree, who’s had a lot of success with his unit the past three seasons.

Some believe retaining Carter was the result of a contractual issue. Others suspect keeping Carter was the Jets’ way of thumbing their noses at critics. No one believes it was due to the merit of his work in 2023.

Could Rex Hogan be a sign of franchise dysfunction?

Many were surprised to find out weeks ago that Douglas’ right-hand man, assistant general manager Rex Hogan, was let go by the Jets in what was called a mutual parting of the ways. According to reports, Hogan was the force behind the Jets drafting quarterback Zach Wilson, as he had people in the organization believing the BYU product was a higher-rated passer than Trevor Lawrence, the first pick of the 2021 draft.

People I spoke with were surprised Hogan lasted this long after the revelation became public. So why was he released heading into the offseason?

Multiple sources inside the league tell me the Jets believe Hogan was the source of media leaks that embarrassed the team last season. And there have been several leaks that began during the second half of the season, starting with Zach Wilson’s reluctance to be inserted back into the lineup, and went through the month of January.

What we're hearing on the Jets' owners

If Jets fans had their way, the Johnsons would sell the team, yet that’s not going to happen. But league sources admit the Johnsons have made several blunders at the top of the franchise, which is why the team continues to be in disarray. And most point to the hiring of Hymie Elhai as the club’s president.

It’s not that Elhai has made any major personnel decisions, though he was largely involved in the hiring of Joe Douglas and Robert Salah; rather that the Johnsons went the comfort route by hiring Elhai. Elhai, who’s been with the organization for almost a quarter-century, was elevated to the position of president from within after holding numerous positions with the Jets.

As one source told me,

“The Johnson’s hired their coffee boy. Rather than bringing in a football person from the outside who would make the difficult decisions or say what needed to be said, no matter how uncomfortable it may sound, they hired someone that would tell them what they wanted to hear.”

Yes, there’s anticipation over the return of quarterback Aaron Rodgers, but more than anything else, there’s a feeling from league insiders that the organization is setting fans up for another disappointment thanks in large part to the dysfunction in their building.

 

Everything Jets fans were afraid of is proven correct here!

I have never been more sick about the organization than now!!  

BRING BACK LEON HESS!!!!!

GOOD GRIEF!!🙏😳

[TuscanyTile2]

10 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Fwiw, Cimini said on his podcast that the Jets won’t be replacing Hogan and Alexander

@batman10023

They probably can't replace them this year while the GM and HC are on a very hot seat.  If they get fired or extended next year, these roles will probably be filled then.

[TuscanyTile2]

4 hours ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

For the longest time now, I’ve been told that Douglas doesn’t exert his power and is not the big dog in the organization that people expect him to be. Some have told me Douglas is, “too nice for his own good,” and doesn’t lay down the hammer when he needs to.

[Dcat]

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

This is only the 10,000th article detailing how Woody is a meddling dimwit. Anyone who ever tries to suggest that Woody isn’t the A-1 reason for the dysfunction with this franchise should be banned to the phantom zone immediately 

The word is imbecile. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

29 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Fwiw, Cimini said on his podcast that the Jets won’t be replacing Hogan and Alexander

@batman10023

Well at least we know who to blame for bad draft picks this year. 

[SickJetFan]

Tony Pauline?  Are they another duo like Sonny and Cher?

[PS17]

4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

This is only the 10,000th article detailing how Woody is a meddling dimwit. Anyone who ever tries to suggest that Woody isn’t the A-1 reason for the dysfunction with this franchise should be banned to the phantom zone immediately 

Woody looking into the mirror:

[PS17]

3 hours ago, bicketybam said:

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Amazing how, season after season, Jets fans will throw their bodies in front of any and all attacks toward Woody Johnson and the upper tiers of the Jets franchise despite all evidence pointing to rampant dysfunction in the operation and leadership of this franchise

This is not about trying to defend him. It's about how people just live for articles like this. It's like they feed off it. News flash. Woody isn't selling the team. It was a phenomenal investment for him. It makes him a sh*tload of money. Doesn't matter how much whining the fans do. So many here are like battered women that cry to their sisters but never leave their wife beating husband.

Wtf is this 

[RutgersJetFan]

4 hours ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

... there’s a feeling from league insiders that the organization is setting fans up for another disappointment thanks in large part to the dysfunction in their building.

 

[RutgersJetFan]

4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

This is only the 10,000th article detailing how Woody is a meddling dimwit. Anyone who ever tries to suggest that Woody isn’t the A-1 reason for the dysfunction with this franchise should be banned to the phantom zone immediately 

They sentence you to the phantom zone, it's not a banishment. 

[Paradis]

Can you imagine the current state of the jets if JD hadn't had a Joshua Tree moment in the draft of April of '22. Outside of a few good trades its scorched earth across the board. Destitution. 

A cancer riddled Viggo Mortensen ought to be pushing his post-apocalyptic shopping cart across the field in Metlife on sundays. 

[Matt39]

6 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Can you imagine the current state of the jets if JD hadn't had a Joshua Tree moment in the draft of April of '22. Outside of a few good trades its scorched earth across the board. Destitution. 

A cancer riddled Viggo Mortensen ought to be pushing his post-apocalyptic shopping cart across the field in Metlife on sundays. 

Something tells me Douglas’s Philly desk won’t be waiting for him after he’s fired in a few months.

[Bugg]

4 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

 

LOL

The Johnsons value an excellent cup of coffee, above many things. 

[Hex]

2 hours ago, ultraJETfan said:

Well, now we know why Zach Wilson failed  Poor kid never stood a chance.

Ha! He would probably be better on a less dysfunctional team but he was never going to be an FQB on any team.

[varjet]

5 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Something tells me Douglas’s Philly desk won’t be waiting for him after he’s fired in a few months.

SF will take Saleh back, in a millisecond.  My guess is that he is wishing that could happen.  He may not want to give up his HC salary this year, but bailing now would be the smart thing to do.  

[freestater]

2 hours ago, Larz said:

J!

E!

[maury77]

4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

This is only the 10,000th article detailing how Woody is a meddling dimwit. Anyone who ever tries to suggest that Woody isn’t the A-1 reason for the dysfunction with this franchise should be banned to the phantom zone immediately 

Zod is a Jets fan too? No wonder he is always so angry. 

[oatmeal]

3 hours ago, DoubleDown said:

Rats trying to flee a sinking ship.

Douglas and Saleh have already failed.  Just a matter of time before this entire thing is blown up... again.

Woody likes to stay involved.  Like most owners.  It's not that big of a deal.

End of the day, Woody is mostly just writing checks though.  You're not going to convince me that Douglas and Saleh do not have full autonomy on their draft picks, free agents, coaches, and staff.  The failure lies with them.

[TuscanyTile2]

10 minutes ago, varjet said:

SF will take Saleh back, in a millisecond.  My guess is that he is wishing that could happen.  He may not want to give up his HC salary this year, but bailing now would be the smart thing to do.  

Agreed SF would take Saleh back but couldn't disagree more on "My guess is that he is wishing that could happen".  This is going to be Saleh's only chance ever to be a HC in the NFL.  He has been given an extra year (that he has in no way earned) and he knows he'll get extended by Woody Johnson if he manages to sneak into the last wildcard spot.

[TuscanyTile2]

11 minutes ago, freestater said:

E!

S!

[sciond]

Woody is a real Johnson

[Larz]

30 minutes ago, freestater said:

E!

S!

oh darn I did a JD😂

[AZSOJ]

3 hours ago, Jack Straw said:

The dysfunction within the Jets organization is systemic. Joe Douglas' crowning achievement seems to be duping Woody Johnson into handing him a six-year contract, a masterclass in capitalizing on naivety of a billionaire dummy who's never worked a day in his life. Saleh is nothing more than a passenger, comfortably leeching off the fortune amassed by Woody's grandaddy, with nothing to show for it.

The Jets are the laughing stock of the NFL, a graveyard for has-beens seeking one last payday, a sanctuary for mediocrity where washed-up players and awful coaches find refuge (looking at you, Mr. Hackett). It's a place where ambition goes to die, and the bar for success is impossibly low.

Accountability is a foreign concept in this organization. The culture is one of complacency and acceptance of failure. Thing will never change.

Best post of this new year.... and the last bold statements are right on... 

[k-met57]

2 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

 

For a guy with the same amount sources as you, I’d say he’s had a pretty good run in this business. 

So i've been a big time follower or the NFL and the NFL draft for around 30 years.

Define "had a run"? Because from i sitting he's always been a hack, and was never given any type of a consistent platform in this business.

He was also a terrible poster on JetsInsider.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, Dcat said:

The word is imbecile. 

I gave a "laughing emoji" to your post but it also deserved a POTW emoji as well.

[Dcat]

Article confirms what we all already knew. Saleh is a lying sack of poop. And his players know it. Truly an awful HC hire. 

[TuscanyTile2]

6 hours ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

Why Robert Saleh hasn't won too many admirers

Saleh, who took over as Jets head coach in 2021 and has yet to deliver a single season of .500 or better, is well-liked by the media for his soundbites. The same cannot be said for many of the players on his roster.

While it’s true that Saleh never lost the locker room despite being on the brink numerous times, several players and people in the organization tell me that, all too often, Saleh tells players what they want to hear rather than the truth. And the players know that Saleh is not being truthful with them. He then relies on assistant coaches to do the dirty work.

Saleh’s promise of player usage has been a big problem for many in the locker room, such as telling a player he’ll be used in a certain way or see a certain amount of playing time only for the player to find out from a position coach it was never true from the get-go.

And while many say, “This goes on in every franchise,” it tends to have a much more negative impact on a team whose head coach has never delivered a winning season.

Saleh pleads the 5th.

[Hex]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Saleh pleads the 5th.

He better not get a 5th. 4 is enough

[freestater]

2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

S!

 

1 hour ago, Larz said:

S!

oh darn I did a JD😂

You're both bad people. 😝

[Matt39]

1 hour ago, k-met57 said:

So i've been a big time follower or the NFL and the NFL draft for around 30 years.

Define "had a run"? Because from i sitting he's always been a hack, and was never given any type of a consistent platform in this business.

He was also a terrible poster on JetsInsider.

Jelly

[static14]

Woody is an energy vampire.

[Beerfish]

2 hours ago, varjet said:

SF will take Saleh back, in a millisecond.  My guess is that he is wishing that could happen.  He may not want to give up his HC salary this year, but bailing now would be the smart thing to do.  

No SF does not want the vanilla we are good as long as we invest everything on D and just play boring base D.

They just got beat becasue the other team was aggressive,   SF will change their D to be way more aggressive this coming year.

 

[doitny]

5 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

And sadly, this is a year they could stay at 10 and pick a qb and fix it.  

like thats worked out the last 100 times we did it.

after Rodgers pick the best FA and roll with him. draft a QB anywhere but in the 1st rd. teams have been finding pretty good QBs like that

[HawkeyeJet]

I’m past the point of caring about any of this stuff because they will either be very good next year or they will be gone.

Something particularly funny to me about this article is how it includes a hit on Douglas for exit interviews from over a year ago.  Either this is made up the source that gave Pauline this tidbit is a bigger chickensh*t than they allege Douglas is.

[Green Ghost]

2 hours ago, k-met57 said:

So i've been a big time follower or the NFL and the NFL draft for around 30 years.

Define "had a run"? Because from i sitting he's always been a hack, and was never given any type of a consistent platform in this business.

He was also a terrible poster on JetsInsider.

As in he’s made a career doing what a lot of message board wannabes wish they could. 
The “from where I’m sitting…” line would really keep him up night though,  I’m sure 😉