State income tax a stated factor in Shaq Barrett picking Mia over NYJ

[Sperm Edwards]

We always suspected it, but here's more confirmation that these guys are well aware they make (keep) 10% less, on all their bonus and home game checks, if signing with the Jets over a no state tax team like Miami.

Years ago we used to be able to get past that with NYC being such a draw: night life and media hub and higher endorsements made up for a lot of that. Now the city has become a disgusting s***hole again like when I was a kid, and with there no longer being a need to be in a high population state or city to get publicity for big endorsements & such, what is left? A nice practice facility (yay) that's still over an hour drive to/from the city that's supposed to be a draw (unless you're driving at 6am on a weekend when there is no NYC draw anyway); crazy high prices for homes and property taxes; our awful + cold weather while they're in the area for most of the season (for many/most, nowhere near where they live or want to live in the off-season); and the final kick in the balls of a financial penalty where 10% of your bonus and home checks pay goes to the state. If there isn't the allure of playing with a proven winner here - which there isn't - it's really not an even. Every team having an even cap ceiling is itself a built-in uneven system, unintended as that may be. 

Mia, Tampa, Jax, Ten, Dal, Hou, Sea, LV get to discount their offers by millions. Especially on short (especially 1 year short) contracts where they can offer the bulk of the compensation paid out as signing & roster bonus at a 0% state tax rate. Having to outbid one player after another by ~10% and it cumulatively adds up to losing the ability to pay (or at least upgrade the quality of) an extra good/great veteran starter or two.

The league can't even-out all the states' tax rates, and can't even out weather and locations of course, but I'm thinking maybe they could fudge it so a base salary cap limit applies to teams in no tax states, and the rest get an increased cap ceiling bump by the amount of the respective states' marginal tax rates. If Miami gets a $255MM ceiling, the Jets get a $282MM ceiling. Or even if it's by just half that amount it would be a good start to leveling things. Otherwise even aside from weather/area draws, with the amounts the in-demand FAs make now this is now such a blatant bidding disadvantage for totally non-football reasons. 

And I don't even care about Shaq Barrett.

[Creepy Lurker]

Water is wet. Anyone who doesn’t think that is a factor has an extremely smooth brain. 

[Barry McCockinner]

13 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

We always suspected it, but here's more confirmation that these guys are well aware they make (keep) 10% less, on all their bonus and home game checks, if signing with the Jets over a no state tax team like Miami.

Years ago we used to be able to get past that with NYC being such a draw: night life and media hub and higher endorsements made up for a lot of that. Now the city has become a disgusting s***hole again like when I was a kid, and with there no longer being a need to be in a high population state or city to get publicity for big endorsements & such, what is left? A nice practice facility (yay) that's still over an hour drive to/from the city that's supposed to be a draw (unless you're driving at 6am on a weekend when there is no NYC draw anyway); crazy high prices for homes and property taxes; our awful + cold weather while they're in the area for most of the season (for many/most, nowhere near where they live or want to live in the off-season); and the final kick in the balls of a financial penalty where 10% of your bonus and home checks pay goes to the state. If there isn't the allure of playing with a proven winner here - which there isn't - it's really not an even. Every team having an even cap ceiling is itself a built-in uneven system, unintended as that may be. 

Mia, Tampa, Jax, Ten, Dal, Hou, Sea, LV get to discount their offers by millions. Especially on short (especially 1 year short) contracts where they can offer the bulk of the compensation paid out as signing & roster bonus at a 0% state tax rate. Having to outbid one player after another by ~10% and it cumulatively adds up to losing the ability to pay (or at least upgrade the quality of) an extra good/great veteran starter or two.

The league can't even-out all the states' tax rates, and can't even out weather and locations of course, but I'm thinking maybe they could fudge it so a base salary cap limit applies to teams in no tax states, and the rest get an increased cap ceiling bump by the amount of the respective states' marginal tax rates. If Miami gets a $255MM ceiling, the Jets get a $282MM ceiling. Or even if it's by just half that amount it would be a good start to leveling things. Otherwise even aside from weather/area draws, with the amounts the in-demand FAs make now this is now such a blatant bidding disadvantage for totally non-football reasons. 

And I don't even care about Shaq Barrett.

I mean chatGPT can get us mostly there in 30 seconds. why can't the league figure this out?

 

[xboxjets]

That is not how income tax's work. You pay tax on where you make money. For home games for Miami players they don't pay income tax. The same is true for visiting players. When Miami players come up to NY/NJ they have to pay income tax to that state. There is still a competitive advantage down in Florida for football players, but its not all or nothing. 

[Sperm Edwards]

Just now, xboxjets said:

That is not how income tax's work. You pay tax on where you make money. For home games for Miami players they don't pay income tax. The same is true for visiting players. When Miami players come up to NY/NJ they have to pay income tax to that state. There is still a competitive advantage down in Florida for football players, but its not all or nothing. 

Someone didn't read  

[T0mShane]

The Florida teams all stink and free agents generally avoid playing there except for end-of-life losers like Shaq Barrett. Ditto the Texas teams. Who’s the big free agent prizes for the Texans and/or the Cowboys this year? Any athlete deciding where to go based on state income tax needs a better accountant.

[hawk]

The only fair solution would be that the NFL tax checks that are untaxed, and given to charity.  

If it is an even playing field, taxes should not play a role in decision making.  

[mfmartin]

Water is wet. Anyone who doesn’t think that is a factor has an extremely smooth brain. 

It’s a factor, but people need to stop acting like it’s the only thing that matters


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[Jet Nut]

If the state income tax were the deciding factor why can’t they just calculate what they will lose over half of the season and just throw in an extra few seasons?

 

[Sperm Edwards]

5 minutes ago, hawk said:

The only fair solution would be that the NFL tax checks that are untaxed, and given to charity.  

If it is an even playing field, taxes should not play a role in decision making.  

Players won't stand for that and they'll never agree to it; they'd strike before letting that be part of the CBA. That's why I threw out a proposal idea that wouldn't cost the players anything.

[mfmartin]

[/url] We always suspected it, but here's more confirmation that these guys are well aware they make (keep) 10% less, on all their bonus and home game checks, if signing with the Jets over a no state tax team like Miami.
Years ago we used to be able to get past that with NYC being such a draw: night life and media hub and higher endorsements made up for a lot of that. Now the city has become a disgusting s***hole again like when I was a kid, and with there no longer being a need to be in a high population state or city to get publicity for big endorsements & such, what is left? A nice practice facility (yay) that's still over an hour drive to/from the city that's supposed to be a draw (unless you're driving at 6am on a weekend when there is no NYC draw anyway); crazy high prices for homes and property taxes; our awful + cold weather while they're in the area for most of the season (for many/most, nowhere near where they live or want to live in the off-season); and the final kick in the balls of a financial penalty where 10% of your bonus and home checks pay goes to the state. If there isn't the allure of playing with a proven winner here - which there isn't - it's really not an even. Every team having an even cap ceiling is itself a built-in uneven system, unintended as that may be. 
Mia, Tampa, Jax, Ten, Dal, Hou, Sea, LV get to discount their offers by millions. Especially on short (especially 1 year short) contracts where they can offer the bulk of the compensation paid out as signing & roster bonus at a 0% state tax rate. Having to outbid one player after another by ~10% and it cumulatively adds up to losing the ability to pay (or at least upgrade the quality of) an extra good/great veteran starter or two.
The league can't even-out all the states' tax rates, and can't even out weather and locations of course, but I'm thinking maybe they could fudge it so a base salary cap limit applies to teams in no tax states, and the rest get an increased cap ceiling bump by the amount of the respective states' marginal tax rates. If Miami gets a $255MM ceiling, the Jets get a $282MM ceiling. Or even if it's by just half that amount it would be a good start to leveling things. Otherwise even aside from weather/area draws, with the amounts the in-demand FAs make now this is now such a blatant bidding disadvantage for totally non-football reasons. 
And I don't even care about Shaq Barrett.

If you think that NYC has no appeal to young, rich athletes, you are living in fantasy land.


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[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, mfmartin said:

 

It’s a factor, but people need to stop acting like it’s the only thing that matters


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It’s a thing that agents tell to the player when the player is forced to take a below-market deal because they’re usually low-rung trash. “Sorry you had to take a journeyman contract, but it’s secretly 10% more (on eight checks) than you would have gotten if you signed with Team X (who likewise offered you a cut-rate deal).” Then the player gets in front of a camera and acts like they had a huge market but he chose the tax-free state. 

[Sammybighead]

If that's the reason a free agent chooses not to come here, they're probably over the hill and chasing the biggest payday and I don't want them anyways. 

[Sperm Edwards]

5 minutes ago, mfmartin said:

 

It’s a factor, but people need to stop acting like it’s the only thing that matters


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Among things people need to stop doing, though, is they need to stop making straw man arguments.  

Literally no one has said or even insinuated "it's the only thing that matters."

It's not the only factor, but it clearly is a factor.

[mfmartin]

Among things people need to stop doing, though, is they need to stop making straw man arguments.  
Literally no one has said or even insinuated "it's the only thing that matters."
It's not the only factor, but it clearly is a factor.

Yes.

Every place has advantages and disadvantages.



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[Trotter]

5 minutes ago, mfmartin said:

 

If you think that NYC has no appeal to young, rich athletes, you are living in fantasy land.


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15+ years ago I would have agreed but honestly what is the draw of nyc?

things change and nyc has not fit the better while other cities have and for the better

As at least nfl wise, the majority of the players on jets/giants live in nj suburbs 

 

[Jets0712]

Also if your a free agent going into your 2 nd contract at 26/27 or so the WIFE has a lot of say as well especially if their are children involved. Area/schooling etc…


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[Robert]

We know our states sucks  NY and NJ

and we specifically know WHY our states suck

but we don’t have the smartest voters  to fix the problems

Please don’t rub it in

[Sperm Edwards]

3 minutes ago, mfmartin said:

 

If you think that NYC has no appeal to young, rich athletes, you are living in fantasy land.


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It absolutely doesn't hold the appeal it used to, no. 

Plus while it's the nearest major metropolis, the Jets aren't in NYC anyway. As players tend to live near the practice facility moreso than the city or the stadium, since that's where they have to be almost every day for 5+ straight months, NYC is some 2-3 hours away roundtrip.

They aren't typically living in the city and commuting to Florham Park almost every day for 5+ months. That's fantasy land.

[Jetsfan80]

24 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I mean chatGPT can get us mostly there in 30 seconds. why can't the league figure this out?

 

Not a single mention of using Bitcoin though.  @HessStation

[Sperm Edwards]

5 minutes ago, mfmartin said:

 

Yes.

Every place has advantages and disadvantages.



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That’s deep, man.

[Jetsplayer21]

12 minutes ago, mfmartin said:

 

If you think that NYC has no appeal to young, rich athletes, you are living in fantasy land.


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lol come on bro. Day off at luxury resort in south beach with mad Hotties left and right, is a little more appealing than freezing your nuts in a loud extremely over crowded city dodging sewer rats size of cats.. 

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

It absolutely doesn't hold the appeal it used to, no. 

Plus while it's the nearest major metropolis, the Jets aren't in NYC anyway. As players tend to live near the practice facility moreso than the city or the stadium, since that's where they have to be almost every day for 5+ straight months, NYC is some 2-3 hours away roundtrip.

They aren't typically living in the city and commuting to Florham Park almost every day for 5+ months. That's fantasy land.

Yep.  “Want to live in Jersey or Miami?” Is a valid question for a FA.  It’s not like we see too many big FA’s go to “cities” like Buffalo, Green Bay or even Pittsburgh unless the opportunity to win overcomes another location’s perks.  

[Darnold's Forehead]

17 minutes ago, mfmartin said:

 

If you think that NYC has no appeal to young, rich idiots, you are living in fantasy land.


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FTFY

[Sperm Edwards]

27 minutes ago, Sammybighead said:

If that's the reason a free agent chooses not to come here, they're probably over the hill and chasing the biggest payday and I don't want them anyways. 

The ones who stand to lose the most for this reason are not the ones who are past their primes. The idea that this is a factor only for scrubs is baseless. The best WR in football, in his prime, said it was absolutely a factor in not coming to the Jets. 

Also the ones we sign are still chasing the money anyway. Just that some teams have to ante up more to make up for other factors (taxes among the factors). That, and they just end up with some lower caliber players still chasing the highest dollars they can get.

Surely you don't think Simpson was their first choice to replace Tomlinson, that Kinlaw got that same offer elsewhere, etc.

[Sperm Edwards]

3 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

lol come on bro. Day off at luxury resort in south beach with mad Hotties left and right, is a little more appealing than freezing your nuts in a loud extremely over crowded city dodging sewer rats size of cats.. 

He's being argumentative just to be argumentative.

Truth is I actually respect that, as I pull that same crap myself quite regularly.

[Web72]

I didn’t even know we were in on Barrett. 
 

The leaks coming out the facility are non stop. 

[mfmartin]

15+ years ago I would have agreed but honestly what is the draw of nyc?
things change and nyc has not fit the better while other cities have and for the better
As at least nfl wise, the majority of the players on jets/giants live in nj suburbs 
 

Yes, many of the players live in Morristown, etc. They still have access to the biggest city in the world that has a ton of nightlife.


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[mfmartin]

It absolutely doesn't hold the appeal it used to, no. 
Plus while it's the nearest major metropolis, the Jets aren't in NYC anyway. As players tend to live near the practice facility moreso than the city or the stadium, since that's where they have to be almost every day for 5+ straight months, NYC is some 2-3 hours away roundtrip.
They aren't typically living in the city and commuting to Florham Park almost every day for 5+ months. That's fantasy land.

They still have easy access to the city.

And why doesn’t it hold the appeal it used to?


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[jamesr]

Helps sort the contenders from the commanders.

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[bicketybam]

I love paying taxes! Who doesn't? Amirite?

[mfmartin]

FTFY

Cool.


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[Jetsplayer21]

8 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

He's being argumentative just to be argumentative.

Truth is I actually respect that, as I pull that same crap myself quite regularly.

Way past argumentative lol. Out of touch with reality, or straight up trolling is much more accurate lol.. 

[Barry McCockinner]

16 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Not a single mention of using Bitcoin though.  @HessStation

Remember when everyone was dunking on the NFL players who got paid in bitcoin? The $6.5 million he got paid in bitcoin is now worth $60.13 million.

[KINGDIRK]

28 minutes ago, mfmartin said:

 

If you think that NYC has no appeal to young, rich athletes, you are living in fantasy land.


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I have four 20 something year olds reporting to me at work in midtown. They are young, certainly not rich and they absolutely love living in NYC. I’m sure rich athletes could do the same.