hmhertz Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted March 28 Popular Post Share Posted March 28 I noticed you didn't include any Bowers blocking for comparison 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 54 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: I noticed you didn't include any Bowers blocking for comparison Based purely on the drivel this guy posts here, he's either a complete troll, an idiot, or has dementia. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JustInFudge Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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genot Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Hey Hertz. I have a date for you. She won't be available for a while, but when she is, she'll rock your world. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 6 hours ago, hmhertz said: I cherish your threads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbt Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 5 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Based purely on the drivel this guy posts here, he's either a complete troll, an idiot, or has dementia. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 It will be interesting to see how much Kuntz has progressed over the past year. He obviously is a physical specimen, but he looked very raw in pre-season last year. He's still a roster longshot, but there is definitely natural talent there if he can put it all together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 When you are drafted and the guys on TV criticize how bad you want it, it’s probably not a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 6 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Based purely on the drivel this guy posts here, he's either a complete troll, an idiot, or has dementia. Could be that he’s also got a disability. That said, we’re Jets fans, so in many regards we all do. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 minute ago, Integrity28 said: Could be that he’s also got a disability. That said, we’re Jets fans, so in many regards we all do. I think he’s like 117 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 5 minutes ago, The Crusher said: I think he’s like 117 years old. Cromagnon man using a keyboard? That can be considered a disability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 16 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Cromagnon man using a keyboard? That can be considered a disability. Fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 It must be "bash barry mccockinner" day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
static14 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: I cherish your threads. Does "cherish" have another meaning I don't know about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkertons Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 I mean that's not exactly surprising...look at him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Integrity28 said: Cromagnon man using a keyboard? That can be considered a disability. The fact that Neanderthal Man didn't make it saddens me. They seemed like nice people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jet Nut Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 7 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Based purely on the drivel this guy posts here, he's either a complete troll, an idiot, or has dementia. All three are possibilities, strong possibilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 8 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: I noticed you didn't include any Bowers blocking for comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 The Jets have two young developing players at TE alongside a solid, steady vet. While I like Bowers, I'm not a huge fan of taking him at #10. I'd much rather add a blue chip prospect at a higher value position in that spot. If the Jets want to add another TE because Conklin is going into his final year, they should use the mid to late rounds or free agency next year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 9 hours ago, hmhertz said: I have one thing to say... KUNTZ !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 8 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: I noticed you didn't include any Bowers blocking for comparison Actually, Kuntz was taken out of a game because he missed a blocking assignment. I remember Saleh shaking his head right after the play. Kuntz has unicorn measurables, but is inexperienced with respect to X's and O's that he'll see in the professional game. If he learns, he could be quite a fantastic asset. His size alone will be a mismatch, especially for end zone corner jumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 9 hours ago, hmhertz said: Naw... Bowers is a good blocker. The talk that he's small for a TE has been parrot stuff. He's no smaller than LaPorta that just had a Pro Bowl season as a rookie. He receiving was elite, he gets yardage after the catch and his blocking was never lacking when he stayed in. He was also very nice as a blocker down field for the other pass catchers. And, Bowers looks to be a more talented player than LaPorta. Still... The draft is still a crap shoot more or less. Gotta see 'em play the pro game. Always surprises... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungaman Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Have mercy on Henry. He's an old crusty Jet fan from the defunct nyjetschat site, which grew out of the exiled community (of which I was one) from the NY Times sports site - when they used to to have a sports section and allowed comments (mid 2000's?). Henry was one of the driving forces getting the Times to shut down comments on sports columns, which they later spun off into the Athletic. There are a bunch of us here that migrated from that site when the guy who hosted it had to close up shop for personal reasons. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Rogers Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 20 minutes ago, THE BARON said: Naw... Bowers is a good blocker. The talk that he's small for a TE has been parrot stuff. He's no smaller than LaPorta that just had a Pro Bowl season as a rookie. He receiving was elite, he gets yardage after the catch and his blocking was never lacking when he stayed in. He was also very nice as a blocker down field for the other pass catchers. I agree about the size, but most evaluations I've seen have him as "competent" to below average. He survived being a 3 down TE in the SEC, so I'll give him credit, but I don't think the Jets will be looking to run to his side every time either lol... it's likely we see this kid in the slot sometimes, or in 2TE sets with conklin/Ruckert. Blocking college guys vs NFL DEs is a massive step up that often takes TEs years to adjust to at the pro level. The blocking is not putting me off the kid completely, but I don't think he will have the 1TE set usage of LaPorta or Kittle either (at least right away). The beauty is that we can use him in bunch formations, slot, etc. If Rodgers likes him, they'll find a way. Edit: as I've said in other threads, he's not my top choice at 10, but if the top guys go as expected I'll be... OK... with it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 3 minutes ago, Bungaman said: Have mercy on Henry. He's an old crusty Jet fan from the defunct nyjetschat site, which grew out of the exiled community (of which I was one) from the NY Times sports site - when they used to to have a sports section and allowed comments (mid 2000's?). Henry was one of the driving forces getting the Times to shut down comments on sports columns, which they later spun off into the Athletic. There are a bunch of us here that migrated from that site when the guy who hosted it had to close up shop for personal reasons. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 2 minutes ago, Bungaman said: Have mercy on Henry. He's an old crusty Jet fan from the defunct nyjetschat site, which grew out of the exiled community (of which I was one) from the NY Times sports site - when they used to to have a sports section and allowed comments (mid 2000's?). Henry was one of the driving forces getting the Times to shut down comments on sports columns, which they later spun off into the Athletic. There are a bunch of us here that migrated from that site when the guy who hosted it had to close up shop for personal reasons. I second the Motion. Henry is an ornery old goat, but his love/hate relationship with, and dedication to, the Jets are very genuine. He's forgotten more about football and the Jets than most of us will ever know. I don't always agree with what Henry says, but I will defend to my last virtual breath his right to say it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 3 minutes ago, Mr. Rogers said: I agree about the size, but most evaluations I've seen have him as "competent" to below average. He survived being a 3 down TE in the SEC, so I'll give him credit, but I don't think the Jets will be looking to run to his side every time either lol... it's likely we see this kid in the slot sometimes, or in 2TE sets with conklin/Ruckert. Blocking college guys vs NFL DEs is a massive step up that often takes TEs years to adjust to at the pro level. The blocking is not putting me off the kid completely, but I don't think he will have the 1TE set usage of LaPorta or Kittle either (at least right away). The beauty is that we can use him in bunch formations, slot, etc. If Rodgers likes him, they'll find a way. Edit: as I've said in other threads, he's not my top choice at 10, but if the top guys go as expected I'll be... OK... with it.... Top notch post. Not really possible to say how well he'd workout as a 3 down player. With the Jets and a player like Bowers, my concern is the offensive vision and the OC. The brass said they would be brining in additional help to run the offense, but that is still an unknown. What we do know is that Hackett is there to hold a clipboard for Rodgers. It is going to be a shoebox offense. What I mean by that is the offense is already canned. The same offense Rodgers likes to run. No motion and all that stuff. This is a bad arrangement when you consider a piece of manpower like Bowers. He has tremendous versatility built into his make-up. Running routs, blocking, ability to gain yardage after the catch. Who on the Jets CS is going to scheme up ways to best use such a player that gives you almost endless options ??? Sure, Rodgers can run the shoe-box of plays that Hackett is going to be holding, but who is going to help the offense evolve and take advantage of an amazingly skilled and versatile asset such as Bowers ??? That is my concern with adding Bowers. Are they smart enough to get their money's worth ??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Please bring back the designated hertz thread where all his junk can go 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 minute ago, THE BARON said: Top notch post. Not really possible to say how well he'd workout as a 3 down player. With the Jets and a player like Bowers, my concern is the offensive vision and the OC. The brass said they would be brining in additional help to run the offense, but that is still an unknown. What we do know is that Hackett is there to hold a clipboard for Rodgers. It is going to be a shoebox offense. What I mean by that is the offense is already canned. The same offense Rodgers likes to run. No motion and all that stuff. This is a bad arrangement when you consider a piece of manpower like Bowers. He has tremendous versatility built into his make-up. Running routs, blocking, ability to gain yardage after the catch. Who on the Jets CS is going to scheme up ways to best use such a player that gives you almost endless options ??? Sure, Rodgers can run the shoe-box of plays that Hackett is going to be holding, but who is going to help the offense evolve and take advantage of an amazingly skilled and versatile asset such as Bowers ??? That is my concern with adding Bowers. Are they smart enough to get their money's worth ??? I've thought about this too, but I wouldn't let it put me off picking Bowers if he is the top guy on the Jets' board at 10. Hackett is going to Hackett with whoever we add, but he won't be around forever. I'd hate to be the team that passed on an elite offensive talent becuase we think our own OC sucks too much to use him properly. Bowers, if a great player, could be a Jet for a decade or more. I'm pretty confident that Hackett won't be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 3 minutes ago, PS17 said: Please bring back the designated hertz thread where all his junk can go That thread would be a dark, dark place... Henry has actually been pretty well-behaved, for Henry, around these parts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFlyer Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 i have enough Kuntz at work why do i need to deal with him here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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