AFJF Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 42 TD's 25 INT's 60% comp pct If he stays healthy for even ten games and plays at that level, the top pick will be out of the question IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 5 wins 27 losses .185 winning % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: 5 wins 27 losses .185 winning % Correct, but I'm of the belief that teams win and lose games, not one player. I know that not everyone agrees, but that's my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, AFJF said: Correct, but I'm of the belief that teams win and lose games, not one player. I know that not everyone agrees, but that's my opinion. he played for the browns 2 yrs and still did ok. bottom line, this team will do better than is predicted, the defense will be better than last year and the offense will not be run into the ground by squabbling veterans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I dont care about the top pick in terms of doing anything to try and get it. Hack needs to start 16 games, and then you evaluate the QB position after the season. If we do wind up with the #1 pick you take the Top QB even if Hack showed a lot of promise. Playing McClown and winning 5 or 6 games, and not learning what you have in Hack is a franchise wrecking nightmare. Even Bill Polian thinks Hack should just play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 13 minutes ago, Beerfish said: 5 wins 27 losses .185 winning % The teams he played on had nothing to do with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 33 minutes ago, AFJF said: Correct, but I'm of the belief that teams win and lose games, not one player. I know that not everyone agrees, but that's my opinion. Don't worry about it, then. This team stinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, jack48 said: Don't worry about it, then. This team stinks Correct, but are they 1-15 stinks,or 7-9 stinks? Big difference, and halfway decent QB play will go a long way in determining which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 The only issue that should concern any fan of this team is McCown winning a couple of meaningless games and Hackenberg turns into anything less than an average Starting QB. Read Football Outsiders analysis on Hack where they said if he can turn it around, his development would be unprecedented. Have to agree that I've never seen a QB be so bad and turn out to have a career in the league as a starter. Maybe Alex Smith. But then again Alex wasn't that bad and he isn't that great right now. So if McCown wins 4 games, I guess he can be our starting QB for the foreseeable future while SF can get Darnold and make the playoffs in two or three years. Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 56 minutes ago, AFJF said: 42 TD's 25 INT's 60% comp pct If he stays healthy for even ten games and plays at that level, the top pick will be out of the question IMO. Good. I want the 32nd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 hour ago, AFJF said: Correct, but I'm of the belief that teams win and lose games, not one player. I know that not everyone agrees, but that's my opinion. Your argument is that the 2017 Jets are better than the other teams he's played for recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 hour ago, AFJF said: 42 TD's 25 INT's 60% comp pct If he stays healthy for even ten games and plays at that level, the top pick will be out of the question IMO. maybe. the stats themselves are average at best. but if they are enough to keep hack on the bench then the jets will be in contention for the top pick. the real question is how much better (or worse) do hack's have to be to keep mccown on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I think Macc and the Jets tried to hire a good mentor who can provide some entertainment, a virtual guaranty to both lose and ultimately get hurt so the younger QB plays. I think where this plan comes off the rails is that (i) the Jets defense can be good-how many high picks are on it?, (ii) McCown has flashed and (iii) the CS is coaching for their jobs. Who knows that discussion that was had. Hopefully Woody told the FO that they were only getting fired for incompetence, and that he did not care if they lost almost all their games. The Browns lost more games than the Jets, but I would argue that they looked better than the Jets did. There are other pieces of the offense that have to be developed. They can't start Hack if he would be a total fiasco. But I agree with Morton that Hack is basically a rookie this year. That means the HC last year did nothing to develop him. Bowles got completely rolled by his coaching staff and veterans last year. He looks to be doing better. Hopefully Woody has been able to frame his expectations for Bowles so that he coaches in the long-term interests of the team. Bowles is under contract next year. I think Coughlin coached in his last contract year. Bowles does not need to be fired this year. And Woody hates to eat contract costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsamuel84 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 This is where the owner needs to step in and make sure this plan is being executed. My concern is that Bowles and Macc are still fighting to keep their jobs next year and whether that's right or wrong is up for debate but the reality is Woody needs to let the FO and coaching staff know their jobs will not be decided on wins and losses but moreso on the development of the last 2 drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 On 8/16/2017 at 11:56 AM, AFJF said: 42 TD's 25 INT's 60% comp pct If he stays healthy for even ten games and plays at that level, the top pick will be out of the question IMO. And those numbers are precisely why Bowles will start him.... and I can see why.. However it is precisely why I didn't want McCown because he is nothing more than fools gold at best!! His presence on the team will hurt the team in the long run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, Charlie Brown said: And those numbers are precisely why Bowles will start him.... and I can see why.. However it is precisely why I din't want McCown because he is nothing more than fools gold at best!! His presence on the team will hurt the team in the long run I think he will prevent them from picking as high as we'd like. Have to keep in mind how brittle he is, though. Could be IR'd by week 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Love McCowns leadership ... if Hack cant beat him out in Camp ... Hack should not start. McCown should not hurt our draft position terribly ... if history holds true. My preference is that Hack actually .. you know ... earn his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I can see it now. Top 5 single season record holders for Jets will include Fitzpatrick and Mccown. He's gonna have a career year! That's how things go around here, especially since Bowles will ride him till week 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I can really see that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 hours ago, AFJF said: Correct, but I'm of the belief that teams win and lose games, not one player. I know that not everyone agrees, but that's my opinion. I agree that it is a team. The only problem is when you are on bad teams and you are losing, it is easier to put up good passing stats. i.e. padding your stats. I think McCown will start the opener and will be replaced in the first few weeks by Hackenberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Maxman said: I agree that it is a team. The only problem is when you are on bad teams and you are losing, it is easier to put up good passing stats. i.e. padding your stats. I think McCown will start the opener and will be replaced in the first few weeks by Hackenberg. As Jets fans, we've seen plenty of QBs who couldn't pad their stats in any situation. Still have to have a certain degree of skill to succeed. I agree and hope you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 18-42 as an NFL starter ENOUGH SAID keep him on the bench where he belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 4 hours ago, AFJF said: Correct, but I'm of the belief that teams win and lose games, not one player. I know that not everyone agrees, but that's my opinion. I agree, but also agree this Jets team is as badly coached, and has worse talent on offense then all 3 of those teams he was on when he went 5-27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: I agree, but also agree this Jets team is as badly coached, and has worse talent on offense then all 3 of those teams he was on when he went 5-27. That may be true, but remains to be seen. Robby and ASJ could be legit receiving threats with some decent slot options and three versatile RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, AFJF said: That may be true, but remains to be seen. Robby and ASJ could be legit receiving threats with some decent slot options and three versatile RBs. During that record McCown had B Marshall, M Forte, Ma Bennett, A Jeffrey, Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Gary Barnidge, T Pryor, and B Coleman to throw the ball to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: During that record McCown had B Marshall, M Forte, Ma Bennett, A Jeffrey, Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Gary Barnidge, T Pryor, and B Coleman to throw the ball to. Yes he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 5 hours ago, AFJF said: Correct, but I'm of the belief that teams win and lose games, not one player. I know that not everyone agrees, but that's my opinion. Stats dont lie.... Fitz never made the playoffs, McGown has less than a .185 winning percentage. Yet the JETS entertain these clowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: Stats dont lie.... Fitz never made the playoffs, McGown has less than a .185 winning percentage. Yet the JETS entertain these clowns. Any GM who signs players like these hasn't the slightest clue in the world and any head coach who starts them at QB is not a real NFL coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 5 hours ago, AFJF said: 42 TD's 25 INT's 60% comp pct If he stays healthy for even ten games and plays at that level, the top pick will be out of the question IMO. Man that's weak also here's Christian Hackenberg's last three years: 48 TD's 31 INTs 56% comp percentage. that was in the Big 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Lupz27 said: During that record McCown had B Marshall, M Forte, Ma Bennett, A Jeffrey, Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Gary Barnidge, T Pryor, and B Coleman to throw the ball to. And they all put up relatively huge statistical seasons with McCown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 McNown is a losing QB who never plays. He will lose the games he plays in and be hurt before the season ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 50 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: Stats dont lie.... Fitz never made the playoffs, McGown has less than a .185 winning percentage. Yet the JETS entertain these clowns. Right, but that particular stat is a team stat. I was highlighting McCowns own performance, not that of the offense, defense and special teams of those organizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Those WRs tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 6 hours ago, Pcola said: The only issue that should concern any fan of this team is McCown winning a couple of meaningless games and Hackenberg turns into anything less than an average Starting QB. Read Football Outsiders analysis on Hack where they said if he can turn it around, his development would be unprecedented. Have to agree that I've never seen a QB be so bad and turn out to have a career in the league as a starter. Maybe Alex Smith. But then again Alex wasn't that bad and he isn't that great right now. So if McCown wins 4 games, I guess he can be our starting QB for the foreseeable future while SF can get Darnold and make the playoffs in two or three years. Good times. Vinny Testeverde says hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 The idea that a top 10 pick is the only place to find a franchise QB is not even close to being true. Jets fans should enjoy the season and hope that Hack keeps getting better. But if he doesnt and the Jets fall into picking in the 15-20 range, they can still find a quality QB to add to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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