jgb Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Anyone being objective would feel the same. Unfortunately objectivity is not big around here. Applying your "objectivity" you would have to admit trent dilfer is a better qb than dan marino. "Best defense of all time" is just an excuse made up by unobjective marino lovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funaz Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 How bad is the bearded one? The Jets are Fitzpatrick’s fourth team in four years. If he stays healthy enough to start the Jets’ season opener Sept. 13 against the Browns, they will be the sixth team for which he starts. He has started 89 games in 10 seasons — he is 33-55-1 — and not one of his teams has ever made the playoffs. The good news is that means he should fit in just fine with the Jets. I know he's horrible. Just not as horrible as Geno. Sent from my Venue 8 7840 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funaz Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 So your logic is because he beat out Sanchez and Vick but still played like a QB who needs to develop even if he's completely outplaying his backup he should be benched? Lol, now that's the way any FO would go He lost the qb battle to Sanchez badly, and the Vick competition wasn't a competition. He does OK in practice, then sh*ts the bed when it matters. Sent from my Venue 8 7840 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 He lost the qb battle to Sanchez badly, and the Vick competition wasn't a competition. He does OK in practice, then sh*ts the bed when it matters. Sent from my Venue 8 7840 using Tapatalk Yeah, he was beaten out badly. Only a fool or a Sanchez fan boy actually believes Sanchez was ever going to start for the Jets again. You're right about Vick, Geno was far better. Proved it in the preseason and regular season. And he was doing even better this preseason. Stupid fans don't want to believe it, don't care about the best player being on the field. They want the scenario that proves their point. And for most it's Geno shouldn't play QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Yeah, he was beaten out badly. Only a fool or a Sanchez fan boy actually believes Sanchez was ever going to start for the Jets again. You're right about Vick, Geno was far better. Proved it in the preseason and regular season. And he was doing even better this preseason. Stupid fans don't want to believe it, don't care about the best player being on the field. They want the scenario that proves their point. And for most it's Geno shouldn't play QB Geno won't lose his job because of his lack of talent. He will lose it because he is a complete idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Geno won't lose his job because of his lack of talent. He will lose it because he is a complete idiot. He might be. What has this to do with whether he beat Sanchez and Vick for the job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 He might be. What has this to do with whether he beat Sanchez and Vick for the job? Sorry. I assumed we would be talking about current QBs on roster. My bad. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 So your logic is because he beat out Sanchez and Vick but still played like a QB who needs to develop even if he's completely outplaying his backup he should be benched? Lol, now that's the way any FO would go My point is anyone putting stock into Geno looking good in training camp or winning a "qb competition" is horribly naive. It's the same sh*t of Geno year 3, Geno looks good in traing camp, beats out the veteran proceeds to suck ass when he starts playing regular season games. Ever heard the definition of insanity, it's expecting things to change when doing the same thing over and over again. Geno sucks, his role in the league is a backup qb. He's not starter material, the fact that this team continues to waste time developing this moron blows my mind. He's garbage and is the reason why this team is one of the worst teams in the NFL. In case you didn't realize we went 4-12 with this moron blowing games with his stellar 3 picks on 7 passes or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 I know he's horrible. Just not as horrible as Geno. Sent from my Venue 8 7840 using Tapatalk We will see soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadetree Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I trust fitz. I don't trust Geno. Until I read it, I don't even believe a family member died in a motorcycle accident! Has anyone investigated that yet? Fitz and Flynn, baby!! UP GALWAY!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 i guess we will all find out if a game manager gets us some Ws this year starting Sept 13th.. wish sheldon was there Sept 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 The amazing thing is you're not allowed to evaluate pitchers based on wins but all of a sudden you can evaluate qb's based on wins even though football is more of a team sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 wish sheldon was there Sept 13 Yup. Having the rookie helps but the D won't be the same w/o him. Any update on his situation? He's suspended the 4 games for weed. But any word on further suspension for innocently attempting to teach a 12 year old the dangers of speeding, how to shoot, and why running from cops is bad idea all while high? (Wish I had a mentor like that as a kid.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 The amazing thing is you're not allowed to evaluate pitchers based on wins but all of a sudden you can evaluate qb's based on wins even though football is more of a team sport. If they want to use wins and losses to evaluate a QB then they should go ahead and tell us how much teams improved after Fitz left. Let's see. The Bills, Titans, and this year we can see how well the Texans do without him. Seriously are people seriously bashing Fitz for having a losing record with these teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 If they want to use wins and losses to evaluate a QB then they should go ahead and tell us how much teams improved after Fitz left. Let's see. The Bills, Titans, and this year we can see how well the Texans do without him. Seriously are people seriously bashing Fitz for having a losing record with these teams? The Bills and Titans had horrific rosters when Fitz played there. Texans had a good roster but he got injured otherwise he wins more than 6 games with them last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 The Bills and Titans had horrific rosters when Fitz played there. Texans had a good roster but he got injured otherwise he wins more than 6 games with them last season. Without him they improved to 2 wins right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Fitz is a middling to bottom third of the NFL QB. Geno is the worst QB in the NFL. I don't know what there is to discuss here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 The amazing thing is you're not allowed to evaluate pitchers based on wins but all of a sudden you can evaluate qb's based on wins even though football is more of a team sport. Mark Sanchez career record: 37-33, 4-2 in the playoffs (all on the road). Why can't we get a QB with a record like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Mark Sanchez career record: 37-33, 4-2 in the playoffs (all on the road). Why can't we get a QB with a record like that? Use a high draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 How bad is the bearded one? The Jets are Fitzpatrick’s fourth team in four years. If he stays healthy enough to start the Jets’ season opener Sept. 13 against the Browns, they will be the sixth team for which he starts. He has started 89 games in 10 seasons — he is 33-55-1 — and not one of his teams has ever made the playoffs. The good news is that means he should fit in just fine with the Jets. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 My point is anyone putting stock into Geno looking good in training camp or winning a "qb competition" is horribly naive. It's the same sh*t of Geno year 3, Geno looks good in traing camp, beats out the veteran proceeds to suck ass when he starts playing regular season games. Ever heard the definition of insanity, it's expecting things to change when doing the same thing over and over again. Geno sucks, his role in the league is a backup qb. He's not starter material, the fact that this team continues to waste time developing this moron blows my mind. He's garbage and is the reason why this team is one of the worst teams in the NFL. In case you didn't realize we went 4-12 with this moron blowing games with his stellar 3 picks on 7 passes or something like that. Did you ever watch football? Do you understand what they're trying to do? Two training camps and from your mothers basement you know a player, any player won't develop. Good for you. Send your resume to all 32 teams. Just don't tell people that the guy who can't beat out a shltty QB, the so called worst QB in the league, DUH, should start. Why? Because he can't beat out a QB who sucks. Makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 again with the geno won 8 games bit? lol. geno was more of a factor in losing 8 games that year than he was in winning 8. the team was able to win 8 games w/ him., no team has been able to win 98 games w/ Fitz and Fitz has played on more talented teams than the 2013 Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Yeah, he was beaten out badly. Only a fool or a Sanchez fan boy actually believes Sanchez was ever going to start for the Jets again. You're right about Vick, Geno was far better. Proved it in the preseason and regular season. And he was doing even better this preseason. Stupid fans don't want to believe it, don't care about the best player being on the field. They want the scenario that proves their point. And for most it's Geno shouldn't play QB Wow, just no way. There seemed to be a lot of pressure from the GM's office to start Geno, but on the field, he was getting seriously outplayed. If Sanchez hadn't gotten hurt, he would've been the coaches' choice to start opening day. And that would've been the best possible scenario for Geno, too, who clearly was not ready. Idzik making a unilateral decision contrary to what was playing out on the field would not constitute Sanchez being beaten out badly. Sanchez lost his job to injury. Only at that point had he started his last game for the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Circumstances have pulled the Geno plug. this statement makes it seem like Geno had nothing to do with it. "Circumstances" like owing people money and taunting them about it? it's the same immaturity that caused him to fall to rd2 three years ago. He doesn't have to be perfect as a QB but he should be getting better as a person. That isn't happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Wow, just no way. There seemed to be a lot of pressure from the GM's office to start Geno, but on the field, he was getting seriously outplayed. If Sanchez hadn't gotten hurt, he would've been the coaches' choice to start opening day. And that would've been the best possible scenario for Geno, too, who clearly was not ready. Idzik making a unilateral decision contrary to what was playing out on the field would not constitute Sanchez being beaten out badly. Sanchez lost his job to injury. Only at that point had he started his last game for the Jets. Biggest disgrace of the Rex/Idzik Error was that a guy who knows zilch about personnel evaluation having a lick of input on who is in the starting lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Dumbest debate ever. You can't use wins and losses to evaluate individual football players case closed. Matt Cassell is a top 15 qb in the nfl he's won 11 and 10 games. Sanchez is top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 How bad is the bearded one? The Jets are Fitzpatrick’s fourth team in four years. If he stays healthy enough to start the Jets’ season opener Sept. 13 against the Browns, they will be the sixth team for which he starts. He has started 89 games in 10 seasons — he is 33-55-1 — and not one of his teams has ever made the playoffs. The good news is that means he should fit in just fine with the Jets. 2005 St. Louis Rams 4 3 135 76 56.3 777 5.76 56 4 8 9/49 4 2 58.2 2006 St. Louis Rams 1 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 --- 2007 Cincinnati Bengals 1 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 --- 2008 Cincinnati Bengals 13 12 372 221 59.4 1905 5.12 79 8 9 38/193 14 2 70.0 2009 Buffalo Bills 10 8 227 127 55.9 1422 6.26 98 9 10 21/127 15 4 69.7 2010 Buffalo Bills 13 13 441 255 57.8 3000 6.80 65 23 15 24/145 39 8 81.8 2011 Buffalo Bills 16 16 569 353 62.0 3832 6.73 60 24 23 22/148 48 8 79.1 2012 Buffalo Bills 16 16 505 306 60.6 3400 6.73 68 24 16 30/161 44 7 83.3 2013 Tennessee Titans 11 9 350 217 62.0 2454 7.01 77 14 12 21/109 32 7 82.0 2014 Houston Texans 12 12 312 197 63.1 2483 7.96 76 17 8 21/83 38 8 95.3 TOTAL 97 89 2911 1752 60.2 19273 6.62 98 123 101 186/1015 234 46 79.5 Yeah, look at all of those great teams he's been on. Context means everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sackdance Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Yeah, he was beaten out badly. Only a fool or a Sanchez fan boy actually believes Sanchez was ever going to start for the Jets again. You're right about Vick, Geno was far better. Proved it in the preseason and regular season. And he was doing even better this preseason. Stupid fans don't want to believe it, don't care about the best player being on the field. They want the scenario that proves their point. And for most it's Geno shouldn't play QB Man. Geno could whiz on your leg and you might make comments about humidity. Coaching and front office gave every chance in the world for Geno to start (his "upside" at that point far eclipsed Sanchez's known quantity, some foreshadowing there) but he was godawful and Rex reluctantly had to name Sanchez, who didn't shine much brighter, the starter. Simms, I think, showed a flash or two that made more some interesting messageboard grist, but we were f'd at quarterback. The hope was Geno would improve after a few starts. The hope for Geno has evolved into some hope he improves after a few more seasons. As starting QB. God help us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 The amazing thing is you're not allowed to evaluate pitchers based on wins but all of a sudden you can evaluate qb's based on wins even though football is more of a team sport. People here evaluate players based on whatever criteria fits their agenda - myself included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 the team was able to win 8 games w/ him., no team has been able to win 98 games w/ Fitz and Fitz has played on more talented teams than the 2013 Jets. Matt cassel won 10 games twice. He obviously blows geno and fitz away. We ****ed up not getting him. Or....maybe you don't evaluate football players by how many wins the team had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 How bad is the bearded one? The Jets are Fitzpatrick’s fourth team in four years. If he stays healthy enough to start the Jets’ season opener Sept. 13 against the Browns, they will be the sixth team for which he starts. He has started 89 games in 10 seasons — he is 33-55-1 — and not one of his teams has ever made the playoffs. The good news is that means he should fit in just fine with the Jets. This might be a record for most neg rep on a post lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Biggest disgrace of the Rex/Idzik Error was that a guy who knows zilch about personnel evaluation having a lick of input on who is in the starting lineup. Who are you talking about here, Idzik or Rex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Dumbest debate ever. You can't use wins and losses to evaluate individual football players case closed. Matt Cassell is a top 15 qb in the nfl he's won 11 and 10 games. Sanchez is top 5. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 This might be a record for most neg rep on a post lol. Considering this classic one occurred back when the number of neg reps were limited, -12 was very impressive: More like Just In Fudge. I wish we had a list of most-repped and neg-repped posts of all-time. Those were watershed moments in JN history. Like Shane's trolling of teh Falcon with Quinn's monologue from Jaws. Or the guy who bragged about playing Single-A baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Who are you talking about here, Idzik or Rex? Mostly Idzik. Rex was a beaten down old dog at that point. I just meant it was a disgrace for that entire period of Jet history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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