More Cowbell Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, Losmeister said: no big deal. you just made up some stupid story based on your ignorance, but instead of owning up, doubled down. which is the sign of either a liar, or a fool. Pardon me but you were the first person to tell me he had retired for more than one season and my response was that actually makes it worse. What was I supposed to say, the fact that he was retired for more than a year makes it all perfectly acceptable our GM signed a player who was out out of shape and out of football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Losmeister Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Pardon me but you were the first person to tell me he had retired for more than one season and my response was that actually makes it worse. What was I supposed to say, the fact that he was retired for more than a year makes it all perfectly acceptable our GM signed a player who was out out of shape and out of football? here's the deal. BEFORE last year, he decided that LAST YEAR would be his LAST year. He played last year. he basically retired and unretired in the offseason tho the decision for the former was made BEFORE last year. sorry for my saltiness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 39 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: The kicker situation I’ll give blame to Douglas for. There should have been a better response to that. But who are these starting caliber CBs that are waiting to signed? Who, at this point in the season is going improve this roster that much? Right now the team is pretty much set. The time to have made upgrades to this roster was in March and April. You can’t mandate a new GM remake this roster in September. Jaguars have no chance of competing for a playoff spot. They must know that. A. J. Bouye. Wouldn't hurt to call. maybe he did??Just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 54 minutes ago, genot said: Yes. I do. The problem i have with your line of thinking is that the draft is a science of some sort. Douglas could draft a corner in the 1st rd, and he could bust. It's a crap shoot, it always will be. Im not saying the draft isn't the most important part of building a quality roster. The question is how do you look at the defense. Are we multiple players away from a real good d. Or would one or two players of quality complete the roster on defense. My line of thinking isn't that the draft is a science. My line of thinking is that trading for a player costs money, draft picks, and you get a guy who's older. So, yes, you may be more likely to succeed on a case by case basis, but that doesn't mean overall it's a good strategy. And the results across the league prove this. And, no, we are not a #1 CB away from a good defense. We're probably 3 CBs and an OLB away from a good defense. We're also about 4-5 guys away from a good offense, so, basically, we need resources. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Losmeister said: here's the deal. BEFORE last year, he decided that LAST YEAR would be his LAST year. He played last year. he basically retired and unretired in the offseason tho the decision for the former was made BEFORE last year. sorry for my saltiness. OK, but I still don't see how any of this would alter the point I made. Did you see Gronk before the Pats game? He looked like a normal guy you would pass in the street. That is what happens when you don't workout in the offseason. I'm pretty sure Kahlil was not working out all off season on the hope that Mac would get fired and Joe Douglas would be knocking on his door to give him a contract. This was the whole basis of what I was saying, we signed anb out of shape guy who had not been practicing in the middle of camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 minute ago, genot said: Jaguars have no chance of competing for a playoff spot. They must know that. A. J. Bouye. Wouldn't hurt to call. maybe he did??Just a thought They have as much of a chance at making the playoffs as the Jets do right now. I don’t think they’re auctioning off players yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 minute ago, sec101row23 said: They have as much of a chance at making the playoffs as the Jets do right now. I don’t think they’re auctioning off players yet. What's the harm in trying??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Just now, genot said: What's the harm in trying??? No harm in trying, but what's the pay-off? We're not a contender either. Thus, the benefits of adding talent are outweighed by the cost of giving up significant draft capital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Just now, genot said: What's the harm in trying??? Who knows maybe he did. Are they taking a 3rd round pick for him at this point though? Doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, TeddEY said: So, what is your solution? To trade away 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round picks right now? "A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy in which something is falsely claimed to be an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional option." Asking what my solution is now, with the off season over, is a bit late. Most of my solutions would have happened (and were stated) during the off season. They include not hiring Gase, not drafting QW, not drafting Polite, not letting our kicker go to Seattle, and other things. I don't have to have a perfect solution now, today, to be critical of the product they put on the field on Sunday. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Warfish said: "A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy in which something is falsely claimed to be an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional option." Asking what my solution is now, with the off season over, is a bit late. Most of my solutions would have happened (and were stated) during the off season. They include not hiring Gase, not drafting QW, not letting our kicker go to Seatle, and other things. I don;t have to have a perfect solution now, today, to be criticial of the product they put on the field on Sunday. I agree with all of those things. And the rest of us calling this team 'out of contention' this year do as well. However, keeping the kicker, drafting Ed Oliver (I don't believe a trade down was happening and there was no value in offense there, unfortunately), and not hiring Gase may make us 1-0 when spotted 4 turnovers. It doesn't make us a contender in 2019. And, I wasn't questioning your right to be critical of the product. That's not what I responded to. I responded to you commenting on Jets Fans "giving up on the season" at week 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, jgb said: Adam Gase is probably the least self aware non serial killer in the world. assumption. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: OK, but I still don't see how any of this would alter the point I made. Did you see Gronk before the Pats game? He looked like a normal guy you would pass in the street. That is what happens when you don't workout in the offseason. I'm pretty sure Kahlil was not working out all off season on the hope that Mac would get fired and Joe Douglas would be knocking on his door to give him a contract. This was the whole basis of what I was saying, we signed anb out of shape guy who had not been practicing in the middle of camp. your ignorance knows no bounds. "I'm pretty sure" based on your ignorance only. you keep doubling down on your own made up sh*t and... you should just stfu https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2019/08/03/jets-ryan-kalil-why-he-unretired-i-had-hard-time-moving-on/1898202001/ " It started with that itch in March, when he started working out and was feeling good. It grew as he began lifting weights in April, and by June, he he was running through 6 a.m. workouts at his alma mater, USC." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Losmeister said: your ignorance knows no bounds. "I'm pretty sure" based on your ignorance only. you keep doubling down on your own made up sh*t and... you should just stfu https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2019/08/03/jets-ryan-kalil-why-he-unretired-i-had-hard-time-moving-on/1898202001/ " It started with that itch in March, when he started working out and was feeling good. It grew as he began lifting weights in April, and by June, he he was running through 6 a.m. workouts at his alma mater, USC." Ok, fine. He worked out. Great pick up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Not me. I didn't want to pay Q and also wanted to trade Robby Anderson and people screamed at me. To be fair, Crowder looks good and things will get better with Herndon back. Completely agree with you about Q, but to be fair about Robby, if Sam gives him an accurate ball, we are probably talking about a game winning TD catch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Skeptable said: Not a peep... Where is Brandon Marshall... It was apparent when Mosley went down there was nothing behind him? Where is Scandrick... Roberts looks as bad as we thought he would look. Where is Parkey, Martin, etc etc... Get a Kicker Where is Pierre garcon... They need another WR that knows how to run routes I was all for this regime but the Jets need ball players... Best I can tell,today JD today has been busy: signing a new kicker, dealing with the suspension of one of his DTs and trading for a WR. Hope this answers your question. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Ok, fine. He worked out. Great pick up way to earn up to your fabricated schitt talking know nothing takes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Just now, Losmeister said: way to earn up to your fabricated schitt talking know nothing takes... Look, if you want to believe I am lying about this, at this point I feel there is very little I can say to make you feel different. The reason I said what I did was I saw an interview with him where he told the reporter that I'm not in football shape, hence he is not in shape to be in the NFL. Take as you like it but this is not fabricated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Look, if you want to believe I am lying about this, at this point I feel there is very little I can say to make you feel different. The reason I said what I did was I saw an interview with him where he told the reporter that I'm not in football shape, hence he is not in shape to be in the NFL. Take as you like it but this is not fabricated. how much back tracking can you do? 1) he didnt play last year. FALSE 2) he was retired for more than 1 yr. FALSE 2) he wasnt working out. FALSE already said we wont know if hes bettern last year til down the line... no problem. but when you simply MAKE sh*t UP i am always gonna tell you to STFU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Apache 51 said: you deserve this....... FIREHOUSE! WHOOO! Oh Yeah.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Creepy Lurker said: Well we can agree to disagree. I think there is PLENTY to fix and holes at most of the impactful/important positions which are more difficult to fill. We will see. We never disagree about agreeing on anything that we disagree about there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: We never disagree about agreeing on anything that we disagree about there. I disagree with you agreeing with me about this. I also agree that you disagree with me when I agree with you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: FIREHOUSE! WHOOO! Oh Yeah.... After the way the offense played on Sunday, this is the only kind of KISS THEY DESERVE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 5 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: Make headway? The team can't kick extra points. Teams played one game. Week one, happens all the time. Get off the ledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 hours ago, genot said: I think this pair,[Gase and Douglass], don't deserve any honeymoon period, considering how this pair came into existence here. This has Nothing to do with Mac, or the job he did as GM, it has to do with how he was let go and under what circumstances. I don't think, we really know the answers to that. Probably never will. Not to toot my own horn here, but i've been saying this for months. Im not judging anything on one game. That would be ridiculous. I am concerned though, considering Gase's past history with MANY of his players in Miami. Good for you . You can believe the earth is flat and we didnt land on the moon. Doesnt change the fact that one, they get a honeymoon. Two, you have to really have no understanding if you want to blame JD when he took over as GM as late into the offseason as he did. And three, ITS ONE WEEK, ONE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, Losmeister said: how much back tracking can you do? 1) he didnt play last year. FALSE 2) he was retired for more than 1 yr. FALSE 2) he wasnt working out. FALSE already said we wont know if hes bettern last year til down the line... no problem. but when you simply MAKE sh*t UP i am always gonna tell you to STFU Here is your op to me dont know wtf you are talking about. Kalil decided to retire BEFORE last season.. but ya know, carry on with yor fiction So tell me if that doesn't sound like he didn't play last season. People who decide to retire before a season starts normally don't play. So the information that he was retired for more than a year was gotten from you. If I misinterpreted what you were saying, that is fine, but I would say you did a piss poor job of making a point. As far as being in shape, he said in an interview he was not in football shape. I assumed that meant he was not working out. You presented an article that said he was.i had not seen this article but when someone says I'm not in football shape it normally means he has not been involved in the type of work that needs to be put in to be in the NFL or your not physically in shape to play. God forbid you come back and realise this was a misunderstanding instead of calling me a liar again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Do you think that other organizations after a loss like that, seeing the inept ability for the defense to hold up after one player goes down or has a kicker that can't make a extra point wouldn't be trying out LBs and Kickers? This mess started with Mac, but 3+ months later and here we are... No kicker... and a defense that can't function without its highest priced FA. Not to mention the fact that WR were running bad routes, and couldn't get open. And a C that was a revolving door all night... Put people on notice. Don't let this be acceptable. The attitude of the whole organization needs to change or the Jets will be losers forever. I think every other org would do exactly what the Jets are doing, a lot of what happened to the D was Mosley and QW went out. Once QW & Mosley went down, the pressure on JA went away and the run D up the middle. And one more time, ITS ONE WEEK. Lose a game like this mid season, it sucks. Lose a game like this in the opener and things like post callimg for the Jets to hold LB tryouts come out. Whos out there and what happens when Mosley is back? Voice of Reason wants to change LBs, WRs, C, and who knows what else off the waiver wire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Here is your op to me ... peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 22m22 minutes ago More Jets Tried Out 18 Players http://bit.ly/2A9j07E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeraldSowell33 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 51 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: 22m22 minutes ago More Jets Tried Out 18 Players http://bit.ly/2A9j07E The Jets tried out Joe Horn? Isn’t he like 50? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: You can believe the earth is flat and we didnt land on the moon. You may want to check out the "other sports" forum... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Just now, TeddEY said: You may want to check out the "other sports" forum... Please say youre joking, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Just now, GeraldSowell33 said: The Jets tried out Joe Horn? Isn’t he like 50? And literally hasn't played in 12 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: Please say youre joking, lol Sorry about the next 4 hours of your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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