OT: I just tested positive with COVID

[More Cowbell]

58 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is my suspicion too. I get taking it seriously and overreacting to the current situation by shutting the country down, but I can’t reconcile the fact that very wealthy people are willingly losing billions and trillions of dollars and it makes you wonder what they know up top. I mean, conservatives in Washington are debating with each other over *how big* the checks should be that they send to Americans. When they go full socialist (even as a cynical ploy in an election year) you know that sh*t is hitting the fan and there’s more bad news coming down the pike 

Tom, the checks are like putting a bandage on a hemorrhaging artery.  Unless they start giving people 2 or 3 months of there normal income, it's  not going to really make much of a difference. If the government  really wanted to tre and help, they could suspend all taxes to anyone who lost the ability to earn a living.  The fact that there is even an argument about this to me is laughable.  All this is is a way for politicians  to look like they are actually doing something. This will be a great talki g point innthe upcoming elections bur as far as really helping,  it's  a joke. They are bailing out airlines with big money and all I hear about is they will use it to buy back stock. Mean time people who earned a living in restaurants  are on the verge of being homeless. 

[MindOverMatter]

1 minute ago, More Cowbell said:

Tom, the checks are like putting a bandage on a hemorrhaging artery.  Unless they start giving people 2 or 3 months of there normal income, it's  not going to really make much of a difference. If the government  really wanted to tre and help, they could suspend all taxes to anyone who lost the ability to earn a living.  The fact that there is even an argument about this to me is laughable.  All this is is a way for politicians  to look like they are actually doing something. This will be a great talki g point innthe upcoming elections bur as far as really helping,  it's  a joke. They are bailing out airlines with big money and all I hear about is they will use it to buy back stock. Mean time people who earned a living in restaurants  are on the verge of being homeless. 

That's because it is a joke. In El Salvador they are paying for their citizens utilities, and suspending mortgage payments....I don't know if any of you are familiar with El Salvador, but is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. And they still somehow are more capable to handle this mess, than the most powerful country in the world? Give me a break, this is a sh*t show all around.

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Tom, the checks are like putting a bandage on a hemorrhaging artery.  Unless they start giving people 2 or 3 months of there normal income, it's  not going to really make much of a difference. If the government  really wanted to tre and help, they could suspend all taxes to anyone who lost the ability to earn a living.  The fact that there is even an argument about this to me is laughable.  All this is is a way for politicians  to look like they are actually doing something. This will be a great talki g point innthe upcoming elections bur as far as really helping,  it's  a joke. They are bailing out airlines with big money and all I hear about is they will use it to buy back stock. Mean time people who earned a living in restaurants  are on the verge of being homeless. 

I 100% agree with you. This is the $600 check we got when Bush Jr crashed the economy all over again 

[Dunnie]

You don't get it. It took ebola months to get the same amount of cases that popped up in a couple of weeks with Covid-19. Please start listening to people who have studied this field their entire lives...not the politicions, your neighbors, or whatever you read on FaceBook.

Yo be clear Ebola is a terrible disease as we all know .... The difference is that it can burn itself out. This new thing is insidious and can stay alive on surface for 10 days and does not present itself soon after being contracted. Allowing it to spread unimpeded.

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[Dunnie]

So I am no longer operating, albeit for the emergency case once or twice a week. Now, even as a surgical resident I primarily work in a 22 bed unit that is only COVID+ patients. I can tell you, I am used to working 100+ hour weeks, 12 days on, 2 off for half a decade: I have never been more stressed out in my entire life. These patients are sick. They decompensate quickly. Have zero reserve. That video of the Italian ICU is calm, compared to the sh*tstorm that I have seen the last two weeks. Running out of mechanical ventilators is a real issue. Running out of proper protective equipment is a real issue. 
 
I’m too tired to say anything more than stay the f*ck home. Anyone downplaying this doesn’t understand that if we reach critical mass, which we will, without blunting the curve, tens of thousands will die simply because of lack of resources. And that’s not to count the thousands of patients who are being sent home with other non-COVID critical illnesses because everyone’s focus is on COVID. If you’re downplaying it, come spend half a day with us.
 
 
 
(also just an aside, viruses when they mutate tend to become less virulent, not more. Not always, but that’s historically how things have gone. Plus, even if you’ve had it or the eventual vaccine, you’ll confer a level of immunity to the newer potentially more virulent one. It’s why the flu vaccine is so damned important). I’ll chime in more with updates and when I’m done passing out. Everyone please, stay Home, stay safe, be smart. 

God bless you bro.

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[Rangers9]

11 hours ago, Mark78 said:

He is right; chloroquine opens ion channels in the membrane.  This allows zinc ions to enter the cells and disrupt replication of the virus.  We are not sure yet if it is effective though. 

OK so give us a link and not from some right wing unreliable site like Redstate. We're not scientists and small bits of disinformation don't help any of us. We will do ok. 

[Rangers9]

6 hours ago, Dunnie said:

Link

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/03.16.20_coronavirus-guidance_8.5x11_315PM.pdf

[Scott Dierking]

19 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

. This new thing is insidious and can stay alive on surface for 10 days and does not present itself soon after being contracted. Allowing it to spread unimpeded.

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It is not certain how long the virus that causes COVID-19 survives on surfaces, but it seems to behave like other coronaviruses. Studies suggest that coronaviruses (including preliminary information on the COVID-19 virus) may persist on surfaces for a few hours or up to several days.

 

Q&A on coronaviruses (COVID-19) - World Health Organization

 

[Rangers9]

As for checks it's obvious if this goes into the summer people will need money on a regular basis. It's not intentional socialism it's necessary socialism and temp. If not how do they buy food, shelter, etc.  Look there was a gov shutdown a little over a year ago and what it showed is that even people employed and many with middle class jobs didn't have savings and couldn't pay their rent the second month they were out of work. The Fed came out with a stat last year that 40% of adults do not have savings of $400 https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-americans-struggle-cover-400-emergency-expense-federal/story?id=63253846. 

[shuler82]

1 hour ago, BroadwayJoe12 said:

So I am no longer operating, albeit for the emergency case once or twice a week. Now, even as a surgical resident I primarily work in a 22 bed unit that is only COVID+ patients. I can tell you, I am used to working 100+ hour weeks, 12 days on, 2 off for half a decade: I have never been more stressed out in my entire life. These patients are sick. They decompensate quickly. Have zero reserve. That video of the Italian ICU is calm, compared to the sh*tstorm that I have seen the last two weeks. Running out of mechanical ventilators is a real issue. Running out of proper protective equipment is a real issue. 
 

I’m too tired to say anything more than stay the f*ck home. Anyone downplaying this doesn’t understand that if we reach critical mass, which we will, without blunting the curve, tens of thousands will die simply because of lack of resources. And that’s not to count the thousands of patients who are being sent home with other non-COVID critical illnesses because everyone’s focus is on COVID. If you’re downplaying it, come spend half a day with us.

 

 

 

(also just an aside, viruses when they mutate tend to become less virulent, not more. Not always, but that’s historically how things have gone. Plus, even if you’ve had it or the eventual vaccine, you’ll confer a level of immunity to the newer potentially more virulent one. It’s why the flu vaccine is so damned important). I’ll chime in more with updates and when I’m done passing out. Everyone please, stay Home, stay safe, be smart. 

Thank you for your service and for this post. This thread is a microcosm of the misinformation that’s still out there. Overreaction! The flu! The media! 
 

The infection rate is high and there is no vaccine. It’s not about the 80% who get it and are fine. It’s about the 20% who need medical assistance.

[whodeawhodat]

My opinion is to shut everything down for 3 weeks and bite the bullet.  This half ass shut down is going to flatten the spike but also drag this thing out for a couple of months.  Cause many more cases this way(although not as many as no restrictions) and more hurt on people financially.

my $0.02

[Anthony Jet]

10 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

It is not certain how long the virus that causes COVID-19 survives on surfaces, but it seems to behave like other coronaviruses. Studies suggest that coronaviruses (including preliminary information on the COVID-19 virus) may persist on surfaces for a few hours or up to several days.

 

Q&A on coronaviruses (COVID-19) - World Health Organization

 

How does stuff like this work? Can it go from surface to surface? Another words someone coughs on there hand they then touch there pants, it’s now on the pants from the pants can it go to say a chair from sitting?

[BROOKLYN JET]

14 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

As for checks it's obvious if this goes into the summer people will need money on a regular basis. It's not intentional socialism it's necessary socialism and temp. If not how do they buy food, shelter, etc.  Look there was a gov shutdown a little over a year ago and what it showed is that even people employed and many with middle class jobs didn't have savings and couldn't pay their rent the second month they were out of work. The Fed came out with a stat last year that 40% of adults do not have savings of $400 https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-americans-struggle-cover-400-emergency-expense-federal/story?id=63253846. 

70% have less than $1000.

[Skeptable]

17 minutes ago, whodeawhodat said:

My opinion is to shut everything down for 3 weeks and bite the bullet.  This half ass shut down is going to flatten the spike but also drag this thing out for a couple of months.  Cause many more cases this way(although not as many as no restrictions) and more hurt on people financially.

my $0.02

That's the worry that this is going to drag out even longer because of people thinking that they don't have to adhere to what the scientific community is recommending... But what do they know, right... It's not like they study diseases for jobs and have long extensive backgrounds in the medical field or anything... 

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

24 minutes ago, shuler82 said:

Thank you for your service and for this post. This thread is a microcosm of the misinformation that’s still out there. Overreaction! The flu! The media! 
 

The infection rate is high and there is no vaccine. It’s not about the 80% who get it and are fine. It’s about the 20% who need medical assistance.

Anyone getting their information about COVID19 on a Jets website has far more other issues .

[Skeptable]

12 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

How does stuff like this work? Can it go from surface to surface? Another words someone coughs on there hand they then touch there pants, it’s now on the pants from the pants can it go to say a chair from sitting?

Moisture droplets they believe... So if you touch it... Moisture from your hands... Then transfers from element to element

[Anthony Jet]

2 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

Moisture droplets they believe... So if you touch it... Moisture from your hands... Then transfers from element to element

So as of now, they don’t think that it can go from inanimate object to inanimate object 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

4 hours ago, Dunnie said:

Time will tell... this virus is more contagious and has a higher mortality rate than the flu.

What is the official word on that? Depending on the source, one is worse than the other. I don't even know if I trust sources anymore. The WHO reported in January that there was "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission."

I am treating this as if the CV is worse, and will take precautions to avoid contracting it and spreading it. 

[Skeptable]

8 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

So as of now, they don’t think that it can go from inanimate object to inanimate object 

Right

[jvill 51]

1 hour ago, BroadwayJoe12 said:

So I am no longer operating, albeit for the emergency case once or twice a week. Now, even as a surgical resident I primarily work in a 22 bed unit that is only COVID+ patients. I can tell you, I am used to working 100+ hour weeks, 12 days on, 2 off for half a decade: I have never been more stressed out in my entire life. These patients are sick. They decompensate quickly. Have zero reserve. That video of the Italian ICU is calm, compared to the sh*tstorm that I have seen the last two weeks. Running out of mechanical ventilators is a real issue. Running out of proper protective equipment is a real issue. 
 

I’m too tired to say anything more than stay the f*ck home. Anyone downplaying this doesn’t understand that if we reach critical mass, which we will, without blunting the curve, tens of thousands will die simply because of lack of resources. And that’s not to count the thousands of patients who are being sent home with other non-COVID critical illnesses because everyone’s focus is on COVID. If you’re downplaying it, come spend half a day with us.

 

 

 

(also just an aside, viruses when they mutate tend to become less virulent, not more. Not always, but that’s historically how things have gone. Plus, even if you’ve had it or the eventual vaccine, you’ll confer a level of immunity to the newer potentially more virulent one. It’s why the flu vaccine is so damned important). I’ll chime in more with updates and when I’m done passing out. Everyone please, stay Home, stay safe, be smart. 

Thank you man, stay safe and rest up. We need you at your best.

Is there a way we can get this post stickied at the top of this thread and repeated directly after posts by JoeSchmoJetFans saying this isn’t a big deal?

[Skeptable]

1 minute ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

What is the official word on that? Depending on the source, one is worse than the other. I don't even know if I trust sources anymore. The WHO reported in January that there was "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission."

I am treating this as if the CV is worse, and will take precautions to avoid contracting it and spreading it. 

Because China was falsifying data so at that time from the information they got from China they didn't have evidence of it... But still strongly believed that it was the case... 

[CTM]

1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

Tom, the checks are like putting a bandage on a hemorrhaging artery.  Unless they start giving people 2 or 3 months of there normal income, it's  not going to really make much of a difference. If the government  really wanted to tre and help, they could suspend all taxes to anyone who lost the ability to earn a living.  The fact that there is even an argument about this to me is laughable.  All this is is a way for politicians  to look like they are actually doing something. This will be a great talki g point innthe upcoming elections bur as far as really helping,  it's  a joke. They are bailing out airlines with big money and all I hear about is they will use it to buy back stock. Mean time people who earned a living in restaurants  are on the verge of being homeless. 

Huh?

First off, the airline bailout proposal today includes a no buy back clause.

And why should they cut 2/3 months worth of checks when we are only a week into this? What they do now may have to be repeated in 2 weeks time. Depending on what happens with virus.

And in fact, they really should only be beefing up unemployment federally to make people who lost their job whole. Most mortage companies are putting mortages on hold, they just put student loans on hold. Many cities are invoking no eviction clauses. Plenty is being done.

 Sending checks to someone who is still working has everything to do with getting people to continue to consume with more imaginary wealth to prevent the entire system from collapsing.  (also buying votes)

[Biggs]

19 hours ago, SAR I said:

How about they're both doing a good job.  Trump has built a very strong Task Force and shut down China and Europe earlier than most would have expected, and is working with big corporations like General Motors and Google for support at a national level.  Cuomo is a very good communicator and is prioritizing well, is on his own as a Governor seeking equipment for his state and asking the Federal Government for help with hospitals and ventilators.  Governor Murphy, not as big a presence of Trump or Cuomo is doing the right things too.

Tough time for professional politicians and they're doing well for what they are able to control.  In the end, its about us.  We either stay away from each other and self-police or we carry on with irresponsible gatherings and endanger everyone.

SAR I

In the end we're all dead.  In the meantime our Federal budget for calendar year 2020 is close to 5 trillion dollars.  Sorry but it's not just up to each of us as individuals when the government has the resources to respond.  I pay too much in taxes to believe that nonsense. 

The first case in the USA happened on the same day the 1st case was reported in South Korea.  While many in our government were calling it a hoax, they tested everyone, they disinfected everything and started sheltering in place.  Some of our leaders where dumping their stocks while telling us everything was a okay.  

They frankly screwed the pouch.  The shutting down of flights from China while evacuating all Americans in China was a smart move.  Unfortunately when they arrived none of them were tested.  My friends daughter was traveling in Europe including Italy when we shut down Europe.  She flew home through London, walked off a plane and out into the public along with thousands of people.  Her parents have her self quarantined.  

In my town social distancing is easy until you need groceries or supplies.  The supermarkets are packed every day all hours.  I remember during the gas crisis the government implemented alternate filling days.  During WW2 there was rationing.  How about they failed the public miserably in spite of that we all have to do the right thing.

[Mark78]

1 hour ago, Rangers9 said:

OK so give us a link and not from some right wing unreliable site like Redstate. We're not scientists and small bits of disinformation don't help any of us. We will do ok. 

Dude, Cuomo just said they are starting trials next week with the drug...geez

[Mark78]

1 hour ago, Rangers9 said:

OK so give us a link and not from some right wing unreliable site like Redstate. We're not scientists and small bits of disinformation don't help any of us. We will do ok. 

Disinformation? Where?

[BROOKLYN JET]

25 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

What is the official word on that? Depending on the source, one is worse than the other. I don't even know if I trust sources anymore. The WHO reported in January that there was "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission."

I am treating this as if the CV is worse, and will take precautions to avoid contracting it and spreading it. 

Puppets of communist China, now policing Covid info on Twitter.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

21 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

Because China was falsifying data so at that time from the information they got from China they didn't have evidence of it... But still strongly believed that it was the case... 

I understand why they reported that, but the WHO should have known how most, if not all virus spread. This is not the first instance of a Coronavirus. It's dangerous for a "respected" health organization to post any information without scrutinizing the sources.

[CTM]

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[BROOKLYN JET]

6 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

I understand why they reported that, but the WHO should have known how most, if not all virus spread. This is not the first instance of a Coronavirus. It's dangerous for a "respected" health organization to post any information without scrutinizing the sources.

They should have known you can't trust communist China, but they like most are in their pocket.

[Rangers9]

15 minutes ago, Mark78 said:

Disinformation? Where?

You were talking about zinc. Where do get this from. And in what context could you use and interpret it. Let the scientists do the research not us or unqualified politicians. They are doing tests on some of these viral infection drugs. The studies so far have been minimal and inconclusive. There are issues like dosages, safety etc. 

[funaz]

For anyone to say Trump and the federal government are doing a good job is Ludacris.

The government was warned about this by our experts in January and slept on it to not disrupt the markets. Congress knew too, and they were too busy telling their rich donors and selling their own stocks instead of acting.

Luckily Jersey and New York have local governments that are doing what they can but without a propely functioning federal level response this is going to get worse.


We also have the Senate who is try to ram through a corporate wellfare package instead of helping people so that's a problem too.

In the end we're all dead.  In the meantime our Federal budget for calendar year 2020 is close to 5 trillion dollars.  Sorry but it's not just up to each of us as individuals when the government has the resources to respond.  I pay too much in taxes to believe that nonsense. 
The first case in the USA happened on the same day the 1st case was reported in South Korea.  While many in our government were calling it a hoax, they tested everyone, they disinfected everything and started sheltering in place.  Some of our leaders where dumping their stocks while telling us everything was a okay.  
They frankly screwed the pouch.  The shutting down of flights from China while evacuating all Americans in China was a smart move.  Unfortunately when they arrived none of them were tested.  My friends daughter was traveling in Europe including Italy when we shut down Europe.  She flew home through London, walked off a plane and out into the public along with thousands of people.  Her parents have her self quarantined.  
In my town social distancing is easy until you need groceries or supplies.  The supermarkets are packed every day all hours.  I remember during the gas crisis the government implemented alternate filling days.  During WW2 there was rationing.  How about they failed the public miserably in spite of that we all have to do the right thing.

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[Scott Dierking]

32 minutes ago, funaz said:

For anyone to say Trump and the federal government are doing a good job is Ludacris.

 

 

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, CTM said:

Huh?

First off, the airline bailout proposal today includes a no buy back clause.

And why should they cut 2/3 months worth of checks when we are only a week into this? What they do now may have to be repeated in 2 weeks time. Depending on what happens with virus.

And in fact, they really should only be beefing up unemployment federally to make people who lost their job whole. Most mortage companies are putting mortages on hold, they just put student loans on hold. Many cities are invoking no eviction clauses. Plenty is being done.

 Sending checks to someone who is still working has everything to do with getting people to continue to consume with more imaginary wealth to prevent the entire system from collapsing.  (also buying votes)

You don't  know what is going on. It isn't  2 week, my office is going to be closed for a month. They already told us this. The legislation for the bailout is not complete. I'll believe there is a no buy back clause when it's  signed and it's  in there. Trust me when I say there is a congressman or senator or a whole caucus  arguing against that becaise they get money from them. They will argue buying back stock will help prop up the markets. The Mortgage companies  are only going to allow you to delay one month, any more than that we would have a complete financial  collapse of that sector, student loans are a bit different,  you only pay them when you are earning money so not much has really happened there. The noneviction clause just means you can't  be thrown out of your apartment for 3 months, it doesn't  stop anyone from starting an eviction case so anyone who thought they don't  have to pay rent for 3 months better think again. Since evictions in NY take 5 to 6 months, it only helps the people who were about to lose there apartments and those cases started well before any of this cornavirus stuff. 

What you are being fed is mostly window dressing. 

[southtown24th]

depression forthcoming.

hate to be that guy.

read the tea leaves.

[southtown24th]

20 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

hahaha man.

some of the spelling and grammar on this site...shewwwwwwwwwwww