jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Daddy Wang Doodle said: I'll save you the time. I won't respond or care enough to read let alone respond The hallmark of a confident position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, jetophile said: the naked Chalybes send iron, Pontus rank beaver-oil, Epirus the glories of her mares from Elis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Daddy Wang Doodle Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, jgb said: Ah, ok. Here goes. The thread title is about comparing Baker to Darnold. I believe Baker is better than Darnold. That is what we are arguing about. The consequences of that belief are that Baker would do better than any situation Darnold is in (because he's better). I'll also concede that Browns have better talent but because Darnold is not a FQB, his performance improvement would be marginal or at best incremental. That is dicta, not germane to the actual discussion occurring herein. A "bonus opinion," if you will. But you, my good man, are focusing on the trees and losing site of the forest. There are plenty--hundreds?--of ways to debate and then measure the actual crux of the debate: is Baker better than Darnold? And we don't have to depend on hypothetical universes or Freaky Friday body switches to do that. A proposal: Pick any traditional measure of QB success and propose it. Career Pro bowls? QBR? Playoff games? And you can mark me down for the Baker side. I'll even spot you that Baker already won rookie of the year, and say from here on out they start even Steven. If I were you, I'd demand odds for backing Darnold. You are arguing that Baker is better than Darnold. I was not. I never said Darnold was better than Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 When your team scores 49 points but your QB throws for 80 fewer yards than Sam Darnold it shows that your QB is a passenger on the bus, not the driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Wang Doodle Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Daddy Wang Doodle said: I'll save you the time. I won't respond or care enough to read let alone respond I lied, but it was only for the excuse of getting a beer. I swear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, jetstream23 said: When your team scores 49 points but your QB throws for 80 fewer yards than Sam Darnold it shows that your QB is a passenger on the bus, not the driver. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 It's been obvious for 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Daddy Wang Doodle said: You are arguing that Baker is better than Darnold. I was not. I never said Darnold was better than Baker You disagreed with my opinion--"a clown take" was what you called it--that Baker on the Jets would be better than Darnold on the Jets. You're going to have to explain how that is not the same as you saying Darnold is better than Baker. Now it's my turn to get a beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Daddy Wang Doodle said: You are arguing that Baker is better than Darnold. I was not. I never said Darnold was better than Baker And PS: I knew you'd come back. Whenever someone threatens they are done responding they spend the next 15 minutes hitting F5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: When your team scores 49 points but your QB throws for 80 fewer yards than Sam Darnold it shows that your QB is a passenger on the bus, not the driver. Better game management perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Bronx said: The disgusting truth, thoughts? We don’t know yet. Darnold has no where near the talent around him that Mayfield has in addition to having a bad coach. Right now Mayfield looks better but the jury is still out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Bronx said: Better game management perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Bronx said: The disgusting truth, thoughts? Browns have a better team than Jets. Yup that's the end of the discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said: We don’t know yet. Darnold has no where near the talent around him that Mayfield has in addition to having and a bad coach. Right now Mayfield looks better but the jury is still out If that jury is still out, I want them if I ever am on trial for killing someone with 6 eye witnesses, DNA, video of the actual crime, satellite imaging and a confession letter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, DJF71 said: Browns have a better team than Jets. Yup that's the end of the discussion. Better management as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, jgb said: If that jury is still out, I want them if I ever am on trial for killing someone with 6 eye witnesses, DNA, video of the actual crime, satellite imaging and a confession letter. You telling me Mayfield isn’t in a much better situation than Darnold?? Give me a break. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, JetsFanatic said: You telling me Mayfield isn’t a much better situation than Darnold?? Give me a break. No. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Daddy Wang Doodle said: Lol the 200 yards running might help. Just a thought Nah. I read on JN that weapons don’t matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 43 minutes ago, DJF71 said: Browns have a better team than Jets. Yup that's the end of the discussion. Actually, that's the lack of discussion. This "argument" results in nihilism where no conclusions can ever be drawn. All anyone has to do is point to a specious and unproveable "weaponz differential" to support any position. Yet, through some sort of witchcraft or time-travel, NFL GMs are accountable for extrapolating how performance in a one situation--for rookies, college and for vets, different teams/schemes/environments--will likely translate to their situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Bronx said: The disgusting truth, thoughts? You title this thread "End of discussion" and then ask for more discussion? Either way, Baker has Odell/Landry/Hooper/Chubb/Hunt and still hasn't done anything in his career. So not sure Baker is ready to hold up a "Better than Sam or anyone else" trophy just yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Bronx said: The disgusting truth, thoughts? My thought is you don't realize how bad the talent on the Jets is and how good it has been on Cleveland during both QB's entire career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said: Holy sh*t, Baker Mayfield would be a disaster on this team. 100% and I think this is another shining example of where coaching and talent comes in to play. The Browns arguably have the best skillz players in the NFL. Mayfield is the ultimate game manager now, 5.5ypc 30 attempt, 165 yards. 40 hand offs Sam Darnold could 100% operate that offense with the same level of success. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 If Sam ever talks to Baker about this personally ... he should just walk away. No need to get an argument over who is better. Be the bigger man, Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 I think the biggest difference between them is intangibles. Baker’s guys ran for 300 yards today. That’s leadership. Sam has yet to show he can do that. You gotta be fair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Darnold is the worst Starter period. The only guy at his level right now is 3rd stringer Rypien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Man, how sh*tty is this team that fans are now clamoring for a qb that threw for 165 yards today? You guys can at least have higher expectations and hope for someone who can pass for at least over 200 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 darnold cant be evaluated with gase as his coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, THE BARON said: darnold cant be evaluated with gase as his coach. We will find out how good Sam Darnold is, in about 7 more years when he’s 30. Just be patient and trust the process. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: Thank you what a joke! We have guys on our team who couldn't be picked out from the witnesses protection program, with sieve OL and we wonder why another QB might be performing better on another team under totally different circumstances. The issue is that these "supporting cast arguments" cannot carry the water you want it to. You think it's an argument that Darnold would succeed with better weapons. I challenge that. You fail to account for the most likely explanation for Darnold looking bad: that he himself is bad. His cast sucking doesn't preclude him from also sucking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Mayfield is playing while Darnold is out for another likely 3+ game injury/ailment, the 3rd season in a row where that will be the case. I’ll take the guy who stays healthy, even if you could somehow prove Darnold is slightly better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: Mayfield is playing while Darnold is out for another likely 3+ game injury/ailment, the 3rd season in a row where that will be the case. I’ll take the guy who stays healthy, even if you could somehow prove Darnold is slightly better. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Clarence Darrow couldn't prove that with OJ's jury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 hours ago, jetstream23 said: You’re confused. I think you mean the Jets WR, Burt Bacharach. YES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, jgb said: The issue is that these "supporting cast arguments" cannot carry the water you want it to. You think it's an argument that Darnold would succeed with better weapons. I challenge that. You fail to account for the most likely explanation for Darnold looking bad: that he himself is bad. His cast sucking doesn't preclude him from also sucking. We will see..... We shall see..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: We will see..... We shall see..... There's no substitute for good performance. We can only judge what we see, my friend. And if we are as objective as when we look at Daniel Jones, for example, this debate would be long over IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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