JoJoTownsell1 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 13 hours ago, JTJet said: Tell what to who? As I said, 3rd overall picks are expected to be great from day 1. That's the standard. Manning was expected to be great on day 0. Sapp wasnt a top 10 pick. Revis wasn't a top 10 pick. Randle wasnt a top 10 pick. Klecko wasnt a top 10 pick. Mahomes was the 10th pick. They are expected to be good but they often aren't. Look at the 2017 nfl draft, you have trubisky, fournette, Corey Davis, Mike williams, John ross, Solomon thomas. All those guys are either busts or just average NFL players. You can't just assume every top ten pick will become dominant players and then not give credit when a top ten player becomes really good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 For perspective, aaron donald usually sits at around 13/14%. The next best in 2018 (can't find 2019)was 2- Fletcher cox at 11.4% 3- Chris jones at 10.2 So basically, quinnen is already playing at an elite level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: They are expected to be good but they often aren't. Look at the 2017 nfl draft, you have trubisky, fournette, Corey Davis, Mike williams, John ross, Solomon thomas. All those guys are either busts or just average NFL players. You can't just assume every top ten pick will become dominant players and then not give credit when a top ten player becomes really good. Are you guys even reading the entire thread? I really dont think you are. I agree, they often do not pan out, but that doesnt change the fact that the expectations are a higher standard for top 3. I'm not talking about the outcomes of ANY player, nor am I discrediting any player. I'm simply pointing out the expectations of top 3 players being vastly different than virtually the rest of the entire draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, JTJet said: No that's not even remotely what I'm talking about. Please go back and re-read the thread. Youre talking about all the good players that weren't top 10 picks. So? All I said is that a top 10 cant be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Just now, Jet Nut said: Youre talking about all the good players that weren't top 10 picks. So? All I said is that a top 10 cant be good No DWC was talking about those non top 10 players to prove a point that had nothing to do with what I was talking about, what so ever. My only point is simple. The expectations for a top 3 pick, are vastly different than every other draft pick. What they actually do on the field is irrelevant to my point. What is expected of them before they step on the field the first time is what I'm talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 To those shaming us "QW is a bust" crowd: Can you blame us? Every other pick Mike Maccagnan made in a 5-year period was either a bust, disappointment, or a bad pick. Williams sucked his rookie year, seemingly was non-existent in camp, and didn't make an impact in Week 1 against the Bills, either. Again, glad to be wrong about him. Congrats to Macc for finally making a good pick, at # 3 overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 17 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Happy to be wrong, and for Macc to have at least drafted 1 player worth a damn. Quinnen Williams living up to his draft status makes it less necessary to use high picks on defense. That's big. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pac said: You've needed a victory for a while now. Happy for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 30 minutes ago, JTJet said: No DWC was talking about those non top 10 players to prove a point that had nothing to do with what I was talking about, what so ever. My only point is simple. The expectations for a top 3 pick, are vastly different than every other draft pick. What they actually do on the field is irrelevant to my point. What is expected of them before they step on the field the first time is what I'm talking about. Well then I agree. You know the odds arent as high for busting at 3rd overall vs 123rd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: To those shaming us "QW is a bust" crowd: Can you blame us? Every other pick Mike Maccagnan made in a 5-year period was either a bust, disappointment, or a bad pick. Williams sucked his rookie year, seemingly was non-existent in camp, and didn't make an impact in Week 1 against the Bills, either. Again, glad to be wrong about him. Congrats to Macc for finally making a good pick, at # 3 overall. Can I blame fans for not giving players a fair chance? For screaming trade him in his first year? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 13 hours ago, Philc1 said: I know Hall got s’d on yesterday but he is just a rookie and he did have a couple good passes defended. I remember Revis getting burned as a rookie. Maybe with more experience and better coaching he can be a decent starting CB Ashtyn Davis looks like Eric Smith/Jim Leonhard 2.0 Davis and Hall both look like they belong on the field. That's an important first step. On a team like this it's simply important for them to get real game reps, to see live action and even get a bit of a baptism by fire. I expect some burnt toast out there. If they both finish the season fairly well and get a full offseason then I fully expect both to be decent starters in 2021. The Jets need to add another good CB and bring Maye back. If that happens then the secondary looks okay going into 2021 with some decent depth guys like Bless, Maulet, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggy001 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Posted before, and will continue to, imagine how good he will be when the Jets add a real Pass-rushing Olb?. This off-season i believe they will.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 3:22 PM, Philc1 said: Just wondering. Best player on the field today. Announcers are drooling over him The player, no. The pick, yes. I still would have preferred a trade down and offensive player. That isn't to say I'm not glad QW is making worthwhile plays worthy of the spot he was drafted in. Far better than talking about how LW was always a couple seconds too late. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MichaelScott Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 10 hours ago, heymangold said: according to PFF jonah williams has a grade of 70.5. i'd take that at RT right now. I've HATED the Q pick since the second it was made. But I wouldnt take a RT that hasnt played half a season in 2 years over the way Q is playing right now. Q was a horrible pick when it was made and we were all right to hate it. But the reality is that, right this moment, it is looking like a pretty good pick. I agree that a top pick should ideally not need years to develop into being effective but with Josh Allen coming down to earth and not looking that good, Jonah being VERY meh... TODAY, Q is a good pick. If you're going to bash Q and talk up how you were right all last season (as I have) then you need to be able to look at it objectively when things turn the other way. sh*t, I'd rather be wrong and have a player then be stuck with ANOTHER first round bust. You're posting like you'd rather Q be trash just so you can keep being right about him. The reality is that if we had consistent pressure on the edge that caused the QB to step up throughout the game, we might have an absolute BEAST right now. He has a ton of pressures because he is consistently getting to the QB, but they are frequently able to roll to the outside easily because we have ZERO presence at OLB. Imagine we had a pass rush and even a quarter of those hurries ended up as sacks for Q. He would be cemented at the top of the league at his position. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 3 hours ago, jetstream23 said: Damn wheres the hype beast favorite ed oliver ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 A lot of Jets fans (and media, hello Cimini) have egg on their face on this. 1) You never make definitive proclamations about a player off of his rookie year (good or bad) 2) I give Gregg Williams a lot of credit. He made him earn every snap last year and that obviously motivated Quinnen heading into this season. Todd Bowles would have handled it differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Marshmello Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Dominant performance, I'm really liking the young talent on the defensive line, if we could just find an pure edge rusher... Bud Dupree or Matt Judon? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 4:24 PM, TuscanyTile2 said: Seriously. At what point did the entire NFL decide that defensive teams need to celebrate by all running to the end zone and stylin'? The NFL used to be the "No Fun League" but that was when the celebrations actually had something to them. Now it's just a boring ritual. 0-10 down by a ton and they all run down to the end zone after getting a turnover. Pretty pathetic. But on 2nd thought, wasn't this the first opportunity to do it this year. LOL This team really really really really really sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Marshmello said: Dominant performance, I'm really liking the young talent on the defensive line, if we could just find an pure edge rusher... Bud Dupree or Matt Judon? Still not worthy of a #3. Mean Joe Greene he is not. He's playing better and hopefully continues to improve so JD can do that voodoo he do and get 2 #1's for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixhead Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Quinnen Williams is gonna be the new Joe Klecko - we just need a Mark Gastineau on the outside! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 17 hours ago, KRL said: Nice step forward by Williams this year: https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/nyj Games: 10 Tackles: 41 Sacks: 5 TFL: 11 Pass Blocks: 3 Forced Fumbles: 1 No reason he can't finish with 8+ sacks with no edge presence. Put two edge rushers on his left and right and we could be looking at a Fletcher Cox (PHI) or Chris Jones (KC) impact player His stats look good but a lot of his disruption at LOS doesn’t even show up in the box score 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Marshmello said: Dominant performance, I'm really liking the young talent on the defensive line, if we could just find an pure edge rusher... Bud Dupree or Matt Judon? It’s very difficult to get a legit edge rusher in FA or trade. And we are using our first round picks both on offense. No idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 11 hours ago, Marshmello said: Dominant performance, I'm really liking the young talent on the defensive line, if we could just find an pure edge rusher... Bud Dupree or Matt Judon? No to Judon. Yes to Dupree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 10 hours ago, Wonderboy said: Still not worthy of a #3. Mean Joe Greene he is not. He's playing better and hopefully continues to improve so JD can do that voodoo he do and get 2 #1's for him. Ah yes, the ol' "Monty, I'd like to trade my all expenses paid trip to Hawaii for Door Number One" strategy of team building. I like it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Gastineau Lives said: Ah yes, the ol' "Monty, I'd like to trade my all expenses paid trip to Hawaii for Door Number One" strategy of team building. I like it. And door #2. Adams 2 first rounders and a 3rd. QW - door #1 and door #2. What do we have Monty? You get an all paid trip to Hawaii, all expenses paid at a 5 star hotel and hula girls dancing the hula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: And door #2. Adams 2 first rounders and a 3rd. QW - door #1 and door #2. What do we have Monty? You get an all paid trip to Hawaii, all expenses paid at a 5 star hotel and hula girls dancing the hula. I guess, but Quinnen is not up for a 20 mil per contract extension and undermining his coaches or trying to twitter his way out of town. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 5:01 PM, Defense Wins Championships said: JetNation; after QW's emergence as a Jet you begin to appreciate his Alabama highlights so much more (he's an animal). watching Alabama manhandle Auburn in the Iron bowl this year and watching Derrick Henry demolish every defense he faces, that place is a true football factory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 13 hours ago, Marshmello said: Dominant performance, I'm really liking the young talent on the defensive line, if we could just find an pure edge rusher... Bud Dupree or Matt Judon? bless ya thank ya for posting this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 6 hours ago, Jetlife33 said: Love this! Friendly rivalry among teammates. Keep pushing each other. Will be fun watching these guys enter their primes together here under contract for at least 3-4 more years plus options, FTs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Gastineau Lives said: I guess, but Quinnen is not up for a 20 mil per contract extension and undermining his coaches or trying to twitter his way out of town. Eating his way out of town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: Eating his way out of town. Can you elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Can you elaborate? QW snack time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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