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Jets trade Jacob Martin to Denver


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3 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Good move. Big drop off from 4th to 5th round. Plus Denver already has 5 loses, that pick should be near top of 4th.

Read the fine print.  It is a 2024 4th round pick they are getting, not a 2023 4th round pick.

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4 hours ago, prime21 said:

Russ will continue to have Denver in the top 10 of the draft.  Good for us in the 4th. 

It’s also the type of pick JD can/has use(d) as a bargaining chip for a trade up or trade back in targeting a quality player during the draft. 

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I honestly have no problem with this trade at all, but it's also worth a chuckle to see some of the twisted logic some try to go through to have absolutely everything fit their narrative.  It wasn't a bad deal, but not exactly worth some great praise either when a GM essentially pays over $4M to trade up a middle round 2 years later.

Many would be similarly applauding the move if the same trade was going in the opposite direction right now, citing it as merely swapping future mid-rounders for a young pass rusher that they didn't even have to pay a bonus for, with another 2.5 years still on the deal.

That's not to say it was a bad move, but this is pretty run-of-the-mill bottom of the roster stuff that we've even seen the likes of Maccagnan make.

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7 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

I honestly have no problem with this trade at all, but it's also worth a chuckle to see some of the twisted logic some try to go through to have absolutely everything fit their narrative.  It wasn't a bad deal, but not exactly worth some great praise either when a GM essentially pays over $4M to trade up a middle round 2 years later.

Many would be similarly applauding the move if the same trade was going in the opposite direction right now, citing it as merely swapping future mid-rounders for a young pass rusher that they didn't even have to pay a bonus for, with another 2.5 years still on the deal.

That's not to say it was a bad move, but this is pretty run-of-the-mill bottom of the roster stuff that we've even seen the likes of Maccagnan make.

These are a lot of words devoted to a nothing burger trade.  Dare I say more words than were devoted in the rest of the thread combined.  

The lady doth protest too much.  

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On one channel or website they said the Jets got a 4th and a 5th for Martin but It wasn't. They got a 4th for Martin and a 5th. On the draft value chart that is between 20-70 points based on where the teams select. You'd think Denver will be drafting in the higher end of that so the value is about another lower 4th to 5th round pick. 

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4 hours ago, BurntDice said:

JD does seem to value 4th rounders much more than 5th. Max and Clemons were both taken in the 4th. The 5th+ tend to be special teams players and guys who need lots of time to develop or injury concern guys 

I'm pretty sure everyone values 4th round picks over 5th round picks.

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2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

These are a lot of words devoted to a nothing burger trade.  Dare I say more words than were devoted in the rest of the thread combined.  

The lady doth protest too much.  

Are you trying to suggest me being long-winded is in some way unique?  That might very well be one of the most absurd arguments on JN yet.

You should actually be appreciative of how relatively concise it was.

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3 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

Are you trying to suggest me being long-winded is in some way unique?  That might very well be one of the most absurd arguments on JN yet.

You should actually be appreciative of how relatively concise it was.

You hadn’t made too many vintage lengthy BG posts lately so I guess I’d forgotten!  

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2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

You hadn’t made too many vintage lengthy BG posts lately so I guess I’d forgotten!  

I haven't had enough hours available on the schedule to fully involve myself in the Wilson discussions, otherwise those would quickly make a comeback.

Stupid job expects me to work during the day now.... the audacity.

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4 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

I haven't had enough hours available on the schedule to fully involve myself in the Wilson discussions, otherwise those would quickly make a comeback.

Stupid job expects me to work during the day now.... the audacity.

Those douchebags!!!  How dare they.  

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9 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

I honestly have no problem with this trade at all, but it's also worth a chuckle to see some of the twisted logic some try to go through to have absolutely everything fit their narrative.  It wasn't a bad deal, but not exactly worth some great praise either when a GM essentially pays over $4M to trade up a middle round 2 years later.

Many would be similarly applauding the move if the same trade was going in the opposite direction right now, citing it as merely swapping future mid-rounders for a young pass rusher that they didn't even have to pay a bonus for, with another 2.5 years still on the deal.

That's not to say it was a bad move, but this is pretty run-of-the-mill bottom of the roster stuff that we've even seen the likes of Maccagnan make.

Its moves like this that allows him to trade up for Hall and Avt.. 

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12 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

Absolutely bizarre how he was playing so many snaps with Huff inactive in those early games.

I think Huff is more of a specialist.  Pass rush only.  Martin is a worse pass rusher, but more complete.  Like having too many QBs, having too many pass rushers is an asset where you can always get something back.

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13 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

On one channel or website they said the Jets got a 4th and a 5th for Martin but It wasn't. They got a 4th for Martin and a 5th. On the draft value chart that is between 20-70 points based on where the teams select. You'd think Denver will be drafting in the higher end of that so the value is about another lower 4th to 5th round pick. 

I think it is more like 90-1 point being the max spread.  That is anywhere from pick 103 to the last pick in the draft.  I do not believe either extreme is likely.  Neither the Jets or Broncos probably won't be particularly horrible or great by next year. 

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1 hour ago, varjet said:

Jacob Martin was insurance.   This trade freed up his cap space with a future draft pick upgrade.  It was a great trade. 

Exactly. I like it because he's not merely not needed. He was insurance for Lawson - or Lawson and Huff - and maybe to push JFM coming off a bleh '22 (or at worst to allow moving him inside on passing downs without leaving no one in his place). With both Lawson and Huff on the field, plus drafting JJ and Clemons, the insurance is no longer necessary.

The even bigger issue with him not being needed today is he's not going to be needed next year either. That's the main factor at work here imo, because another $1MM or more of next year's salary was fully guaranteed, so that doesn't go away by cutting him (and cut him they clearly would have). There's no way they'd have kept him next year anyway, at that $1MM plus another $3.25MM in additional salary.

It's just a salary dump, and Douglas got paid to do it (often teams give up something in exchange for cap space for a player they don't need). It's a smart trade because he struck while the iron was hot, with Martin just getting a sack this past weekend in limited snaps. Absent that 1 sack it's possible no one would've made any offer at all, even with Douglas actively shopping him; likewise Denver gets a warm body to replace Chubb, with little enough salary today + future $ guaranteed they can wait plenty before making a decision on him for '23.

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