Edsen JR- Zach & Mimsie for Sutton Place

[hmhertz]

 

[football guy]

Ben Albright is floating this because Sean Payton is a believer in Zach's talent. If they were to make this trade, the Broncos would be acquiring Zach to give Payton a prospect to sit and develop behind a similar style QB in Russell Wilson for 1-2 years, then turn to after potentially moving on from RW. 

Breaking News: Joe Douglas/Robert Saleh don't want to give up on Zach for the same reasons why Sean Payton would want him; they want to sit and develop him behind an established starter - ideally for at least a year - and see if they can unlock him. 

[LockeJET]

8 minutes ago, football guy said:

Ben Albright is floating this because Sean Payton is a believer in Zach's talent. If they were to make this trade, the Broncos would be acquiring Zach to give Payton a prospect to sit and develop behind a similar style QB in Russell Wilson for 1-2 years, then turn to after potentially moving on from RW. 

Breaking News: Joe Douglas/Robert Saleh don't want to give up on Zach for the same reasons why Sean Payton would want him; they want to sit and develop him behind an established starter - ideally for at least a year - and see if they can unlock him. 

While I understand this way of thinking, you won’t truly know if he’s unlocked once we sign a veteran quarterback and he’s here for multiple years. He’s never going to see the field unless there’s an injury. The Jets are not gonna pick up his fifth year option so any quarterback that’s here will be here while Zach’s contract runs out. Especially if they signed Carr for 4-5 years. If the Jets truly believed in his talent, they wouldn’t be looking for a replacement for multiple years.

[peekskill68]

4 minutes ago, football guy said:

Ben Albright is floating this because Sean Payton is a believer in Zach's talent. If they were to make this trade, the Broncos would be acquiring Zach to give Payton a prospect to sit and develop behind a similar style QB in Russell Wilson for 1-2 years, then turn to after potentially moving on from RW. 

Breaking News: Joe Douglas/Robert Saleh don't want to give up on Zach for the same reasons why Sean Payton would want him; they want to sit and develop him behind an established starter - ideally for at least a year - and see if they can unlock him. 

Do you see signing a 31 year old free agent like Derek Carr to a multi-year deal consistent with this philosophy?

[The Crusher]

There will be a time that a QB like Zach Wilson won't be on this team. 

[football guy]

3 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

Do you see signing a 31 year old free agent like Derek Carr to a multi-year deal consistent with this philosophy?

That's the thing: I don't think they have any desires to commit more than 2 years to Carr. It's not solely because of Zach, more so because they likely don't see Carr as a long-term elite starting QB who can lift the team around him in 2025, 2026, 2027... they think Zach has the talent to be that kind of player, but if he doesn't improve they'll look to take another QB and develop him behind Carr for a year then likely move on unless Carr (or whoever else they add) played at a level that convinces them to ditch that plan and move forward with the veteran QB

9 minutes ago, LockeJET said:

While I understand this way of thinking, you won’t truly know if he’s unlocked once we sign a veteran quarterback and he’s here for multiple years. He’s never going to see the field unless there’s an injury. The Jets are not gonna pick up his fifth year option so any quarterback that’s here will be here while Zach’s contract runs out. Especially if they signed Carr for 4-5 years. If the Jets truly believed in his talent, they wouldn’t be looking for a replacement for multiple years.

They'll get a good idea this year. Everyone has to play before knowing for sure, but I think there's enough time in training camp, preseason, practice, meetings, etc. for them to tell whether Zach took the necessary strides their looking for 

[JiFtheOracle]

16 minutes ago, football guy said:

Ben Albright is floating this because Sean Payton is a believer in Zach's talent. If they were to make this trade, the Broncos would be acquiring Zach to give Payton a prospect to sit and develop behind a similar style QB in Russell Wilson for 1-2 years, then turn to after potentially moving on from RW. 

Breaking News: Joe Douglas/Robert Saleh don't want to give up on Zach for the same reasons why Sean Payton would want him; they want to sit and develop him behind an established starter - ideally for at least a year - and see if they can unlock him. 

[nj meadowlands]

OH look another BoyGreen thread!! Awesome

[JiFtheOracle]

2 minutes ago, football guy said:

That's the thing: I don't think they have any desires to commit more than 2 years to Carr. It's not solely because of Zach, more so because they likely don't see Carr as a long-term elite starting QB who can lift the team around him in 2025, 2026, 2027... they think Zach has the talent to be that kind of player, but if he doesn't improve they'll look to take another QB and develop him behind Carr for a year then likely move on unless Carr (or whoever else they add) played at a level that convinces them to ditch that plan and move forward with the veteran QB

They'll get a good idea this year. Everyone has to play before knowing for sure, but I think there's enough time in training camp, preseason, practice, meetings, etc. for them to tell whether Zach took the necessary strides their looking for 

[Pac]

I mean does anyone really think they're giving up on Zach before 2025?

If you do get used to being angry... 

The best move the team can make is Rodgers for 2 years then the return of a revamped Zach.  Best short and long term solution.   

There is no close second scenario. 

Rodgers may be emerging from the darkness as we speak. 

[peebag]

17 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

There will be a time that a QB like Zach Wilson won't be on this team. 

And that time will be January 26th, 2275.

[jtomm]

1 minute ago, peebag said:

And that time will be January 26th, 2275.

That soon ? 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Beggars can’t be choosers

But Sutton is overrated

And Rodgers would “unlock” Mims

What the Jets really need is Justin Simmons, a legit baller at FS, to upgrade on old man Joyner

As far as the ZW part, by all means, yes please take the cap charges and potential dead money off the Jets’ books

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

8 minutes ago, football guy said:

Ben Albright is floating this because Sean Payton is a believer in Zach's talent. If they were to make this trade, the Broncos would be acquiring Zach to give Payton a prospect to sit and develop behind a similar style QB in Russell Wilson for 1-2 years, then turn to after potentially moving on from RW. 

Breaking News: Joe Douglas/Robert Saleh don't want to give up on Zach for the same reasons why Sean Payton would want him; they want to sit and develop him behind an established starter - ideally for at least a year - and see if they can unlock him. 

I’m a bit confused here.  The Jets have him on a 4 year contract and would need to exercise his 5th year after this upcoming season (year 3) when they will start a veteran QB.

Are you suggesting the Jets are leaning toward picking up year 5 after the upcoming season in which Wilson isn’t expected to start?

Could this happen?  Possibly if they believe in a year from now that Wilson truly has solved his problems (Yips, mechanics, processing, etc..) and they don’t need live action to prove it.

That would seem to be a big gamble because it’s the live rounds that Wilson has struggled most with.

I don’t know man.  It would seem A LOT would have to happen to change the organization’s current assessment of him ABSENT live rounds.

I think they are in salvage mode here to improve him to a point where he can surprise in Preseason 2023 and then be traded.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

Mims is worth way more. Disrespectful. 

[Barry McCockinner]

make it happen Tanny

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

23 minutes ago, football guy said:

That's the thing: I don't think they have any desires to commit more than 2 years to Carr. It's not solely because of Zach, more so because they likely don't see Carr as a long-term elite starting QB who can lift the team around him in 2025, 2026, 2027... they think Zach has the talent to be that kind of player, but if he doesn't improve they'll look to take another QB and develop him behind Carr for a year then likely move on unless Carr (or whoever else they add) played at a level that convinces them to ditch that plan and move forward with the veteran QB

They'll get a good idea this year. Everyone has to play before knowing for sure, but I think there's enough time in training camp, preseason, practice, meetings, etc. for them to tell whether Zach took the necessary strides their looking for 

You might be too attached to this Zach thing and your sources might not be completely honest with you.

The tea leaves are what they are and Zach — absent a turnaround for the ages — most likely doesn’t have a future home with the Jets.  It is only wishful thinking to feel otherwise after witnessing the regression we saw this year and to see him utterly lose the confidence of his teammates who are ready to win now.  

[rangerous]

42 minutes ago, football guy said:

Ben Albright is floating this because Sean Payton is a believer in Zach's talent. If they were to make this trade, the Broncos would be acquiring Zach to give Payton a prospect to sit and develop behind a similar style QB in Russell Wilson for 1-2 years, then turn to after potentially moving on from RW. 

Breaking News: Joe Douglas/Robert Saleh don't want to give up on Zach for the same reasons why Sean Payton would want him; they want to sit and develop him behind an established starter - ideally for at least a year - and see if they can unlock him. 

Yep. And that’s why Rodgers is the main target.  No telling if Rodgers buys into this plan. I’m guessing he would play until 46 like Brady. But it also leaves out guys like Carr and possibly garapollo.

[rangerous]

2 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

You might be too attached to this Zach thing and your sources might not be completely honest with you.

The tea leaves are what they are and Zach — absent a turnaround for the ages — most likely doesn’t have a future home with the Jets.  It is only wishful thinking to feel otherwise after witnessing the regression we saw this year and to see him utterly lose the confidence of his teammates who are ready to win now.  

Yes he did regress but how much of that can be placed on the oline or milfy.  I think it’s more than has been let on and speaks to the fact they launched benson and Austin along with milfy.

[football guy]

13 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I’m a bit confused here.  The Jets have him on a 4 year contract and would need to exercise his 5th year after this upcoming season (year 3) when they will start a veteran QB.

Are you suggesting the Jets are leaning toward picking up year 5 after the upcoming season in which Wilson isn’t expected to start?

Could this happen?  Possibly if they believe in a year from now that Wilson truly has solved his problems (Yips, mechanics, processing, etc..) and they don’t need live action to prove it.

That would seem to be a big gamble because it’s the live rounds that Wilson has struggled most with.

I don’t know man.  It would seem A LOT would have to happen to change the organization’s current assessment of him ABSENT live rounds.

I think they are in salvage mode here to improve him to a point where he can surprise in Preseason 2023 and then be traded.

No I'm not suggesting that's what they are planning. Does that possibility exist? Absolutely. Hypothetical scenario: Jets acquire Aaron Rodgers and he misses 4 games. In relief Zach lights it up, how could they not consider picking up the option - especially if they have a good feeling that he will be the team's starter in 2025? His option would cost roughly $20 million in 2025, which would be how much an average-to-below average starter would be making at that point. If you feared that he would leave and forecast he would be the best option to start in 2025 (presumably after Rodgers retires), I can see why it would be controversial but don't think it would be nearly as outlandish as people think considering how high the cost of a starting QB has and will become by 2025. 

More likely? Jets monitor how he develops, and if all goes well they try to sign him to a 1 or 2 year extension similar to how Jameis Winston and Geno Smith did (and what Sam Darnold is likely to do with Carolina). If he decided to leave then so be it, but chances are it would make sense for him to stay in the same system with the same coaches on a "prove-it" deal. If he went out and played well they can talk big extension following the season the way Geno Smith is doing for himself right now. If not, they go their separate ways. 

[football guy]

22 minutes ago, rangerous said:

Yep. And that’s why Rodgers is the main target.  No telling if Rodgers buys into this plan. I’m guessing he would play until 46 like Brady. But it also leaves out guys like Carr and possibly garapollo.

I don't know that Rodgers wants to play as long as Brady did. Rodgers has wavered on retirement for a while now and seemed to indicate his extension last year was his last contract. Even so, I think people are getting too caught up with the notion that they want a specific QB because of Zach Wilson. I think its more of a scenario where they recognize that the only way to be a sustainable winner is by finding a young "franchise" QB, and starting a young QB day 1 in our market does not work. Thus, they would rather foster an environment for young QBs to develop and grow behind an established starter. Zach is pupil #1 because he's insanely talented and already under contract, but if they decided he can't be fixed after this season they would look to draft and develop someone next year anyway... as long as Woody Johnson is owner and this administration is here, there will be no more rookie day 1 starting QBs for the Jets. 

[dbatesman]

9 minutes ago, football guy said:

Hypothetical scenario: Jets acquire Aaron Rodgers and he misses 4 games. In relief Zach lights it up

[#27TheDominator]

2 minutes ago, football guy said:

I don't know that Rodgers wants to play as long as Brady did. Rodgers has wavered on retirement for a while now and seemed to indicate his extension last year was his last contract. Even so, I think people are getting too caught up with the notion that they want a specific QB because of Zach Wilson. I think its more of a scenario where they recognize that the only way to be a sustainable winner is by finding a young "franchise" QB, and starting a young QB day 1 in our market does not work. Thus, they would rather foster an environment for young QBs to develop and grow behind an established starter. Zach is pupil #1 because he's insanely talented and already under contract, but if they decided he can't be fixed after this season they would look to draft and develop someone next year anyway... as long as Woody Johnson is owner and this administration is here, there will be no more rookie day 1 starting QBs for the Jets. 

They recognize that the only way to be a sustainable winner is finding a young "franchise" QB, so they are all in on . . .  Aaron Rodgers? 

[Bronx]

1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

There will be a time that a QB like Zach Wilson won't be on this team. 

Never forget...

[The Crusher]

9 minutes ago, Bronx said:

Never forget...

"This week on Glee!"

[#27TheDominator]

41 minutes ago, rangerous said:

Yes he did regress but how much of that can be placed on the oline or milfy.  I think it’s more than has been let on and speaks to the fact they launched benson and Austin along with milfy.

They didn't "launch" Austin.  He was suspended for gambling.  I don't even think he was with the team for the last two or three games last season.

[Warfish]

Seems legit.

 

I heard the Broncos will also be signing 80's ex-Raiders QB Marc Wilson to be a really, REALLY veteran depth guy.  He was a BYU guy too.

Collecting all the Wilsons.

[JiFtheOracle]

[oatmeal]

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I’m a bit confused here.  The Jets have him on a 4 year contract and would need to exercise his 5th year after this upcoming season (year 3) when they will start a veteran QB.

Are you suggesting the Jets are leaning toward picking up year 5 after the upcoming season in which Wilson isn’t expected to start?

Could this happen?  Possibly if they believe in a year from now that Wilson truly has solved his problems (Yips, mechanics, processing, etc..) and they don’t need live action to prove it.

That would seem to be a big gamble because it’s the live rounds that Wilson has struggled most with.

I don’t know man.  It would seem A LOT would have to happen to change the organization’s current assessment of him ABSENT live rounds.

I think they are in salvage mode here to improve him to a point where he can surprise in Preseason 2023 and then be traded.

 

55 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

You might be too attached to this Zach thing and your sources might not be completely honest with you.

The tea leaves are what they are and Zach — absent a turnaround for the ages — most likely doesn’t have a future home with the Jets.  It is only wishful thinking to feel otherwise after witnessing the regression we saw this year and to see him utterly lose the confidence of his teammates who are ready to win now.  

Guys I don’t care if Biden himself says the Jets believe in Zach.

Zach Wilson was benched for a CFL QB who can’t throw a forward pass 

And besides the contract doesn’t line as pointed out above, no way they pick up Zachs option with soooooo many young players we will have to soon pay.

Its insane some around here still believe the Jets lies 

[football guy]

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

You might be too attached to this Zach thing and your sources might not be completely honest with you.

The tea leaves are what they are and Zach — absent a turnaround for the ages — most likely doesn’t have a future home with the Jets.  It is only wishful thinking to feel otherwise after witnessing the regression we saw this year and to see him utterly lose the confidence of his teammates who are ready to win now.  

Respectfully, this makes no sense. Here's the explanation from the Jets perspective in more specific terms... 

At this moment, Zach is the 6th youngest QB in the NFL. The Jets invested the #2 pick in him because of his upside, which they feel he still possesses. The Jets also have learned from their mistake(s) of starting a talented QB immediately and would rather build a "pipeline" at the position going forward, with a heavier emphasis on drafting & developing talent before forcing them into the lineup. Unless that player is an absolute prodigy, there will never be a day 1 rookie starting QB while Woody Johnson is owner, and Douglas/Saleh believe that you need a QB with the kind of playmaking ability that Zach possesses (coupled with down-to-down consistency) in order to have a truly sustainable contender year-in and year-out (see Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen). 

Several high-profile QB draft prospects in the 2023 class are older than Zach Wilson, namely  Will Levis, Hendon Hooker, Jake Haener, Aidan O'Connell, Clayton Tune, Stetson Bennett, and several others. If Zach were in this draft class, he'd likely still go in round 1 (round 2 the latest). If the goal is to foster an environment where talented QBs can develop behind established starters, why wouldn't the team start with Wilson who they already have invested in and still believe has elite-level arm talent and great work ethic? If he can't improve behind the scenes for the season the solution is simple: replace him with someone else in the 2024 draft, sit and develop that player, then give him an opportunity to start in 2025 or 2026. In short: they're going to treat Zach like they would any other day 2 rookie. He's going to get at least a year, if not 2, to prove that he can develop into a starter. If he does make that turnaround and becomes a good starter in 2 years, the Jets will look like geniuses and will have a potential franchise QB under the age of 25. If he flops, they'll simply move on and find another highly talented QB to develop next year. That's the plan. 

[football guy]

22 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

[section314]

1 hour ago, football guy said:

Ben Albright is floating this because Sean Payton is a believer in Zach's talent. If they were to make this trade, the Broncos would be acquiring Zach to give Payton a prospect to sit and develop behind a similar style QB in Russell Wilson for 1-2 years, then turn to after potentially moving on from RW. 

Breaking News: Joe Douglas/Robert Saleh don't want to give up on Zach for the same reasons why Sean Payton would want him; they want to sit and develop him behind an established starter - ideally for at least a year - and see if they can unlock him. 

Okay, by my count that’s three of the best minds in the NFL that think Zach has real talent….Lynch/Shanahan, Roseman and now Payton. Yet JD is a dope because he feels the same way?  

[oatmeal]

3 minutes ago, football guy said:

Respectfully, this makes no sense. Here's the explanation from the Jets perspective in more specific terms... 

At this moment, Zach is the 6th youngest QB in the NFL. The Jets invested the #2 pick in him because of his upside, which they feel he still possesses. The Jets also have learned from their mistake(s) of starting a talented QB immediately and would rather build a "pipeline" at the position going forward, with a heavier emphasis on drafting & developing talent before forcing them into the lineup. Unless that player is an absolute prodigy, there will never be a day 1 rookie starting QB while Woody Johnson is owner, and Douglas/Saleh believe that you need a QB with the kind of playmaking ability that Zach possesses (coupled with down-to-down consistency) in order to have a truly sustainable contender year-in and year-out (see Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen). 

Several high-profile QB draft prospects in the 2023 class are older than Zach Wilson, namely  Will Levis, Hendon Hooker, Jake Haener, Aidan O'Connell, Clayton Tune, Stetson Bennett, and several others. If Zach were in this draft class, he'd likely still go in round 1 (round 2 the latest). If the goal is to foster an environment where talented QBs can develop behind established starters, why wouldn't the team start with Wilson who they already have invested in and still believe has elite-level arm talent and great work ethic? If he can't improve behind the scenes for the season the solution is simple: replace him with someone else in the 2024 draft, sit and develop him, then give him an opportunity to start in 2025 or 2026. In short: they're going to treat Zach like they would any other day 2 rookie. He's going to get at least a year, if not 2, to prove that he can develop into a starter. If he does make a turnaround and becomes a good start in 2 years, the Jets will look like geniuses and will have a potential franchise QB under the age of 25. If he flops, they'll simply move on and find another highly talented QB to develop next year. That's the plan. 

Bro you did this same song and dance with darnold, darnold is so young, he was viewed highly by the Jets and executives around the league according to you and no matter what we said you preached this as the gospel.

You were wrong just like you are wrong now sorry

[section314]

7 minutes ago, football guy said:

Respectfully, this makes no sense. Here's the explanation from the Jets perspective in more specific terms... 

At this moment, Zach is the 6th youngest QB in the NFL. The Jets invested the #2 pick in him because of his upside, which they feel he still possesses. The Jets also have learned from their mistake(s) of starting a talented QB immediately and would rather build a "pipeline" at the position going forward, with a heavier emphasis on drafting & developing talent before forcing them into the lineup. Unless that player is an absolute prodigy, there will never be a day 1 rookie starting QB while Woody Johnson is owner, and Douglas/Saleh believe that you need a QB with the kind of playmaking ability that Zach possesses (coupled with down-to-down consistency) in order to have a truly sustainable contender year-in and year-out (see Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen). 

Several high-profile QB draft prospects in the 2023 class are older than Zach Wilson, namely  Will Levis, Hendon Hooker, Jake Haener, Aidan O'Connell, Clayton Tune, Stetson Bennett, and several others. If Zach were in this draft class, he'd likely still go in round 1 (round 2 the latest). If the goal is to foster an environment where talented QBs can develop behind established starters, why wouldn't the team start with Wilson who they already have invested in and still believe has elite-level arm talent and great work ethic? If he can't improve behind the scenes for the season the solution is simple: replace him with someone else in the 2024 draft, sit and develop him, then give him an opportunity to start in 2025 or 2026. In short: they're going to treat Zach like they would any other day 2 rookie. He's going to get at least a year, if not 2, to prove that he can develop into a starter. If he does make a turnaround and becomes a good start in 2 years, the Jets will look like geniuses and will have a potential franchise QB under the age of 25. If he flops, they'll simply move on and find another highly talented QB to develop next year. That's the plan. 

Stetson Bennett? That guy is a year away from Medicare.?

[undertow]

We should trade Denzel Mims and Zach Wilson for Patrick Mahomes....what you guys think should I make a Youtube video?