jetscrazey Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Getting a veteran or someone like Tyrod Taylor who is 99% not winning a Super Bowl in this league makes no sense at this point. I say let Petty and Hackenberg duke it out in training camp (with possibly another draft pick in the mix too). Why? See, if one of them figures it out in 2017 and becomes a legit QB, fine. That's awesome. We have a real QB finally. However, if as expected they both stink, the Jets have zero expectations and quietly go 2-14 and hopefully get the #1 overall pick in 2018. Enter Sam Darnold. If we can somehow get someone of this caliber in the 2018 draft, that could set the stage for a potential dynasty. Sucking in 2017 also gives them the chance to fire Bowles and start over with Maccagnan actually picking his own guy as a HC. It's tank time, fellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 hack needs every rep petty had his chance, muffed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Don't tell us, tell Todd Bowles and his players who we aren't sure will comprise the 2017 Jets . I'm quite sure he's on board with your plan for his future employment . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Prepare to be disappointed. Zero chance the jets go into next year with those guys battling it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Tinstar said: Don't tell us, tell Todd Bowles and his players who we aren't sure will comprise the 2017 Jets . I'm quite sure he's on board with your plan for his future employment . LOL, well luckily for me, Bowles can't coach anyway so I'm not worried about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 What if they both suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 Just now, joewilly12 said: What if they both suck? GOOD, then we get the #1 pick in 2018 and take Sam Darnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Anyone give any thought to signing Mike Glennon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, jetscrazey said: Getting a veteran or someone like Tyrod Taylor who is 99% not winning a Super Bowl in this league makes no sense at this point. I say let Petty and Hackenberg duke it out in training camp (with possibly another draft pick in the mix too). Why? See, if one of them figures it out in 2017 and becomes a legit QB, fine. That's awesome. We have a real QB finally. However, if as expected they both stink, the Jets have zero expectations and quietly go 2-14 and hopefully get the #1 overall pick in 2018. Enter Sam Darnold. If we can somehow get someone of this caliber in the 2018 draft, that could set the stage for a potential dynasty. Sucking in 2017 also gives them the chance to fire Bowles and start over with Maccagnan actually picking his own guy as a HC. It's tank time, fellas. This tanking bullsh*t is beyond belief. Only this fanbase starts dreaming about the 2018 draft before the 2016 season is over. See the bold. You answered your own question. If you expect it, you plan for it. To do otherwise is irresponsible. You are planning a billion dollar asset around a 19 year old kid and his ability to maintain and improve his performance. What if he gets hurt? He missed most of a season in high school with a foot injury. Guys blow up their knees all the time (see Chubb, Nick) What if he doesn't come out? Peyton didn't. He has 3 more years of eligibility. What if it turns out he flat out sucks, or even just isn't that good? (see George, Jeff, and Carr, David and Smith, Alex and Bradford, Sam and Couch, Tim) Even if he isn't horrible, is it really worth all that to end up with Carson Palmer, or Matt Stafford? If Bowles gets the axe, you can bet nobody is looking kindly upon the guy who assembled a 2-14 roster. (see Idzik, John). Neither of them has any reason to go along with this harebrained scheme. Can it core a apple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: This tanking bullsh*t is beyond belief. Only this fanbase starts dreaming about the 2018 draft before the 2016 season is over. See the bold. You answered your own question. If you expect it, you plan for it. To do otherwise is irresponsible. You are planning a billion dollar asset around a 19 year old kid and his ability to maintain and improve his performance. What if he gets hurt? He missed most of a season in high school with a foot injury. Guys blow up their knees all the time (see Chubb, Nick) What if he doesn't come out? Peyton didn't. He has 3 more years of eligibility. What if it turns out he flat out sucks, or even just isn't that good? (see George, Jeff, and Carr, David and Smith, Alex and Bradford, Sam and Couch, Tim) Even if he isn't horrible, is it really worth all that to end up with Carson Palmer, or Matt Stafford? If Bowles gets the axe, you can bet nobody is looking kindly upon the guy who assembled a 2-14 roster. (see Idzik, John). Neither of them has any reason to go along with this harebrained scheme. Can it core a apple? Look...if there's a Russell Wilson or Dak Prescott in the mid rounds we can scoop up, great I'm all for it. But in the top rounds and free agency, there's nobody worth our while out there, with the possible exception of Glennon. The Jets are going to suck next year, we should embrace it, because Darnold looks like the best QB prospect to come out since Andrew Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 30 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: This tanking bullsh*t is beyond belief. Only this fanbase starts dreaming about the 2018 draft before the 2016 season is over. See the bold. You answered your own question. If you expect it, you plan for it. To do otherwise is irresponsible. You are planning a billion dollar asset around a 19 year old kid and his ability to maintain and improve his performance. What if he gets hurt? He missed most of a season in high school with a foot injury. Guys blow up their knees all the time (see Chubb, Nick) What if he doesn't come out? Peyton didn't. He has 3 more years of eligibility. What if it turns out he flat out sucks, or even just isn't that good? (see George, Jeff, and Carr, David and Smith, Alex and Bradford, Sam and Couch, Tim) Even if he isn't horrible, is it really worth all that to end up with Carson Palmer, or Matt Stafford? If Bowles gets the axe, you can bet nobody is looking kindly upon the guy who assembled a 2-14 roster. (see Idzik, John). Neither of them has any reason to go along with this harebrained scheme. Can it core a apple? Well said. People want to go on about the Pats cheating. If it came to light that the Jets deliberately didn't give their all for the sake of a ruse for a better draft position while taking my dollars and time to watch them, I can tell you it would be the end of them having this fan's support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Not going to have such high expectations, but lets see how bad Jets really are next year. This teams front 7 is not that bad so if Burris comes along as a No. 2 CB with Skrine back in the slot there is an off chance a draft pick at CB could somewhat handle a starting CB role(Safeties were OK), if it is a CB prospect that overwhelms. OK, then on O, which we are probably going to lean more heavily on running, the current RBs and WRs are pretty good. If we draft some Olineman to start building back the OL and even 1 of them helps at T this line may not be so bad. I still contend that the Oline even with injuries wasn't the fault last year since running was not played called enough and the QBs either held the ball too long or simply threw too many INTs without being under a lot of pressure. Now, if we have horrible QB play like last year, yes, then we are looking at 2-5 wins next year. But, this team with a few decent off season draft/FA moves and any QB that is around average can easily be in the 7-9 win range and build to be even better beyond that. Call me an optimist, but the main weaknesses we had in 2016 was at QB and CB, unfortunately the 2 worst areas to stink at in this pass happy league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, AFJF said: Anyone give any thought to signing Mike Glennon? I have not seen one person on this site that would want that to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I'm all for this but imo you also need a cheaper vet. Like Geno or McCown. Say Hack has made some nice improvement but isn't quite there yet and Petty just sucks. Throw Hack to the dogs and potentially ruin a good thing? Or even if Hack is ready to play, you still need someone to be a legit backup. Don't spend big or even medium money on QB, but definitely bring in a cheap vet. I'd prefer Geno since he's still young enough to have upside, but someone with some experience has to be on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 28 minutes ago, jetscrazey said: Look...if there's a Russell Wilson or Dak Prescott in the mid rounds we can scoop up, great I'm all for it. But in the top rounds and free agency, there's nobody worth our while out there, with the possible exception of Glennon. The Jets are going to suck next year, we should embrace it, because Darnold looks like the best QB prospect to come out since Andrew Luck. what are you going to do when the Jets win 8 games next season, complain about how Todd Bowles cost you a chance to draft your QB . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Larz said: hack needs every rep petty had his chance, muffed it He gets one more training camp. If he doesn't show that he has true potential, see ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, Tinstar said: what are you going to do when the Jets win 8 games next season, complain about how Todd Bowles cost you a chance to draft your QB . The odds of the Jets winning 8 games next year are pretty damn slim. Not worried about that. I just hope it's 2 wins or less so we can pick Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: What if they both suck? "If"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 53 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: This tanking bullsh*t is beyond belief. Only this fanbase starts dreaming about the 2018 draft before the 2016 season is over. See the bold. You answered your own question. If you expect it, you plan for it. To do otherwise is irresponsible. You are planning a billion dollar asset around a 19 year old kid and his ability to maintain and improve his performance. What if he gets hurt? He missed most of a season in high school with a foot injury. Guys blow up their knees all the time (see Chubb, Nick) What if he doesn't come out? Peyton didn't. He has 3 more years of eligibility. What if it turns out he flat out sucks, or even just isn't that good? (see George, Jeff, and Carr, David and Smith, Alex and Bradford, Sam and Couch, Tim) Even if he isn't horrible, is it really worth all that to end up with Carson Palmer, or Matt Stafford? If Bowles gets the axe, you can bet nobody is looking kindly upon the guy who assembled a 2-14 roster. (see Idzik, John). Neither of them has any reason to go along with this harebrained scheme. Can it core a apple? Hackenberg looked great in his Freshman year too. I give the chance of Darnold avoiding injury and being good in the NFL to be 50% at best. Better get a vet, Glennon, Taylor, while the getting is good just in case. I think this year we have a good crop of free agent QBs and we should grab one as well as draft one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, AFJF said: Anyone give any thought to signing Mike Glennon? Id need to see every throw he has ever made before I give that a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 27 minutes ago, jetscrazey said: The odds of the Jets winning 8 games next year are pretty damn slim. Not worried about that. I just hope it's 2 wins or less so we can pick Darnold. Uhhh... I don't know if it's that crazy. Follow me for a minute... First and foremost, we need average QB play. Can Hack do it? Maybe a cheap vet? If not, ok no need to keep reading. But if so... Oline. Actually pretty good shape here. Big question is LT. Is Clady brought back and can he stay healthy? Or perhaps find a FA. RB? Decent now with Forte and Powell. But what if Fournette is drafted! WRs? Good young talent and as of now Marshall and Decker are still here. TE? OK no clue here, but maybe ASJ takes advantage of his talent. Dline? No worries. LBs. 3 of them are young promising talent. Does Harris stick around or perhaps add a veteran FA? Secondary? ... ... ok we're kinda phucked here. Maybe we have a solid SS and young CB. Gotta figure what to do with 24. So IF (big if) we can get decent QB play (just like 2015), you never know. Macc has to figure out LT and secondary to have a shot though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Id need to see every throw he has ever made before I give that a thought. If you did, you'd see that he's worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 54 minutes ago, jetscrazey said: The odds of the Jets winning 8 games next year are pretty damn slim. Not worried about that. I just hope it's 2 wins or less so we can pick Darnold. Sorry, I don't bet on anything anymore, I just prefer to see things the way I want them to be and wait for it to happen . By the way, what's your backup plan from Darnold . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 2 hours ago, jetscrazey said: Getting a veteran or someone like Tyrod Taylor who is 99% not winning a Super Bowl in this league makes no sense at this point. I say let Petty and Hackenberg duke it out in training camp (with possibly another draft pick in the mix too). Why? See, if one of them figures it out in 2017 and becomes a legit QB, fine. That's awesome. We have a real QB finally. However, if as expected they both stink, the Jets have zero expectations and quietly go 2-14 and hopefully get the #1 overall pick in 2018. Enter Sam Darnold. If we can somehow get someone of this caliber in the 2018 draft, that could set the stage for a potential dynasty. Sucking in 2017 also gives them the chance to fire Bowles and start over with Maccagnan actually picking his own guy as a HC. It's tank time, fellas. I don't agree, you have to bring in a vet because the odds that Petty will establish himself is remote, and Hackenberg is far from a sure prospect. Even with a vet such as Tryod Taylor on the team there will be opportunity for both Petty/Hackenberg. Stay away from the 4 QB situation like last season. Also if Petty & Hack are the only two QBs on the roster and they suck Mac & Bowles will get canned and neither of them will bet their jobs on those two QBs at this point in their unproven playing career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFanatic Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 2 hours ago, AFJF said: Anyone give any thought to signing Mike Glennon? Please no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Larz said: hack needs every rep petty had his chance, muffed it Petty will win the competition and start....but I think it will be close with Hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Tinstar said: what are you going to do when the Jets win 8 games next season, complain about how Todd Bowles cost you a chance to draft your QB . Winning 8 games next year is about the worst thing that can happen to the Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Tinstar said: what are you going to do when the Jets win 8 games next season, complain about how Todd Bowles cost you a chance to draft your QB . Winning 8 games next year is about the worst thing that can happen to the Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 5 hours ago, Larz said: hack needs every rep petty had his chance, muffed it Yeah, Petty did nothing to earn a chance at the starting job next year. Add in his injury and how limited he will be all offseason and it makes even less sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETdawg1389 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 A better idea - Signing a vet and having a three way competition with Hack/Petty. There is no way on gods green earth with that schedule that the jets are not going to be tanking this coming season. Unless one of our QB's turns into Colts Peyton Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 8 hours ago, Maxman said: Yeah, Petty did nothing to earn a chance at the starting job next year. Add in his injury and how limited he will be all offseason and it makes even less sense. Good thing for the him, the Jets have a history of giving young QBs a job they didn't earn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 14 hours ago, jetscrazey said: Getting a veteran or someone like Tyrod Taylor who is 99% not winning a Super Bowl in this league makes no sense at this point. I say let Petty and Hackenberg duke it out in training camp (with possibly another draft pick in the mix too). Why? See, if one of them figures it out in 2017 and becomes a legit QB, fine. That's awesome. We have a real QB finally. However, if as expected they both stink, the Jets have zero expectations and quietly go 2-14 and hopefully get the #1 overall pick in 2018. Enter Sam Darnold. If we can somehow get someone of this caliber in the 2018 draft, that could set the stage for a potential dynasty. Sucking in 2017 also gives them the chance to fire Bowles and start over with Maccagnan actually picking his own guy as a HC. It's tank time, fellas. enough with the tank talk. it won't be good for the fans or the players. maybe darnold is the second coming of brady but that is uncertain and he is, after all,a usc qb. as for the qb, the jets have been plenty closed mouth on this. they could go a number of ways and it's possible they use the 6 pick on a qb. it's also possible they use a 6th round pick too. or they can go after an established qb and back up the money truck. it's also possible they've seen enough of petty and hack to let either of them start the season. one thing that will cause some issues is the salary cap. if they go for an expensive qb they will have trouble getting good players to fill LT or cb positions. it's a big balancing act. we'll probably hear some good rumors come first week in march when free agency starts for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 The three tiers of fan desperation : Hoping the QB you drafted last year and hasn't played a single NFL snap turns into "the guy" Hoping that you somehow find the diamond in the (very) rough draft class this year Pinning all your hopes on a guy who won't be draft eligible for another year, assuming he continues to develop, stays out of trouble, stays healthy ... etc AND that your team is the worst in football so you can have a chance at selecting him It wasn't too long ago that "Tank for Teddy" was a popular refrain - that bona fide can't miss prospect who was DEFINITELY going #1 overall. How did that work out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 We need to see who is more terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 50 minutes ago, jamesr said: The three tiers of fan desperation : Hoping the QB you drafted last year and hasn't played a single NFL snap turns into "the guy" Hoping that you somehow find the diamond in the (very) rough draft class this year Pinning all your hopes on a guy who won't be draft eligible for another year, assuming he continues to develop, stays out of trouble, stays healthy ... etc AND that your team is the worst in football so you can have a chance at selecting him It wasn't too long ago that "Tank for Teddy" was a popular refrain - that bona fide can't miss prospect who was DEFINITELY going #1 overall. How did that work out? Niners will probably go 1-15 next year, maybe 0-16 We have 0.0 shot at Darnold even if Petty/Hack suck which they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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