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3 hours ago, HessStation said:

I'm a Browns fan homie.

So are we all here basically too. Same $hit, different franchise. 

Oh and for any of you posters (and Willie Colon) that think a light is going to go on and Todd Bowles is going to all of a sudden become a great HC you are nuts and delusional. I think he is 1A to Rich Kotite as the worst HC in Jet history.

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3 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Fixed.

Everyone seems to have written off Petty just because Bowles apparently can't remember his name.  I still think there's a good chance Petty has more upside than Hack, certainly for this year and probably next.  Not against Hack at all, but Petty looks closer to ready to play so I cannot fathom why the coaches continue to bury him behind McCown.  My sinister guess is if Petty plays and plays fairly well, they won't be able to trot Hack out later in the season for another look after we are eliminated from the playoffs.  The team seems almost desperate to prove Hack was the right pick and it feels to me like they are intentionally burying Petty to give that narrative the best chance of coming true.

I'm fine with the teardown/rebuild.  But if we are still watching McCown in week 9, with a 3-5 record, then I'd be first in line to show Macc and Bowles the door right then.  Won't even need to finish the year.  And if Hack comes in before Petty I'll probably feel the same. 

 

 

 

#competition

#bestplayersplay

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2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

#competition

#bestplayersplay

Totally agree.

 

Player  Att   Comp   Yds   Comp %   Yds/Att   TD   TD%   INT   INT%   Long   Sack     Sack/Lost   Rating
Bryce Petty  48   32    426   66.7   8.9   3   6.3   1   2.1   85   2         10  106.8
Christian Hackenberg  74   42   372   56.8   5   2   2.7   2   2.7   26   9         59  68.1

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4 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Totally agree.

 

Player  Att   Comp   Yds   Comp %   Yds/Att   TD   TD%   INT   INT%   Long   Sack     Sack/Lost   Rating
Bryce Petty  48   32    426   66.7   8.9   3   6.3   1   2.1   85   2         10  106.8
Christian Hackenberg  74   42   372   56.8   5   2   2.7   2   2.7   26   9         59  68.1

lol

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I've really liked Mac's philosophy so far, which, IMO, has been to build mainly through the draft, and sign short term FAs to hold the positions down while the young guys develop. A good blend of Idzik's "draft everyone and start them" plan and Tanny's FA frenzy. But, while I like the philosophy, the execution has been more than suspect, in both draft picks and FA acquisitions.

2015 was all about evaluating Geno, and then going from there. Of course, Geno's mouth screwed that plan up and in walks Fitz. I think the team really surprised them that year, so Mac decided to double down and go all in in 2016. What resulted was a complete team breakdown a la the Rex Ryan era. That is 100% on Bowles. Now, three years in, we're essentially still in year 1 of a total rebuild.

Now, I'm torn on what to do with Mac. On one hand, I like his philosophy and realize that this rebuild takes time. On the other hand, it's his fault that the rebuild has been delayed this long and those first two years were practically wasted, with the only sure returns in those two drafts so far looking to be just 2 players (Leo and Jenkins) out of 13. Yeesh.

At this point, my opinion on whether to give Mac another year or two is contingent upon QB play that isn't McCown. If either Petty or Hack step up this season and look good, then I think that alone can change my perception of Mac enough to see what else he can do. Bowles is a whole other topic altogether.

TL;DR Mac's philosophy and plan has been good, but his execution in both the draft and FA yielded limited returns thus far. It's his fault that we're just now rebuilding in year 3. This is his make or break year.

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6 hours ago, Pointdexter said:

This is what these fans completely ignore. No one has a problem with rebuild. It's the fact that this roster has almost nothing in young, promising players despite multiple high draft choices. Absolutely nothing on the offensive side of the ball to be bullish on. The rebuild is years away from bearing any fruit.

i don't agree.  the one thing he hasn't gotten is a qb, yet.  yes the oline at the moment is not playing well but they will come around.  happens on every team when there's a wholesale change in players.  and people point to the much vaunted dline as if they were responsible for all of the wins but none of the losses.  again, they played well but there's only so much they can do especially when one of them is forced to play out of position because there is a p[layer gap.

what i see is they are building a team with much faster players and ones with better attitudes.  i'm not going to say mac shouldn't bear any responsibility but what he has done is position the team for success next year and beyond.  if it works out, give him the creds.  if not, he should be launched.

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11 minutes ago, rangerous said:

i don't agree.  the one thing he hasn't gotten is a qb, yet.  yes the oline at the moment is not playing well but they will come around.  happens on every team when there's a wholesale change in players.  and people point to the much vaunted dline as if they were responsible for all of the wins but none of the losses.  again, they played well but there's only so much they can do especially when one of them is forced to play out of position because there is a p[layer gap.

what i see is they are building a team with much faster players and ones with better attitudes.  i'm not going to say mac shouldn't bear any responsibility but what he has done is position the team for success next year and beyond.  if it works out, give him the creds.  if not, he should be launched.

Very reasonable post.  We disagree a bit on the potential of the offense but it sounds like our overall perspective is not that far apart.

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4 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Calvin Pryor was a 3-year starter, which is more than any of the above can yet say, if that's how we're going to measure success. Was he therefore a good draft pick because he started?

Entering his 3rd season Pryor was also coming off a vastly-improved 2nd season, and people expected him to be better still in '16.

Then after the season we traded him for a meh guy we let go the prior season; a LB who was getting salary-dumped by the cash-flush Browns, lol.

Fair enough, that's one player that didn't work out.  Why don't we give these guys a chance before we equate them to Pryor.

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4 hours ago, nycdan said:

If you are indeed 'long suffering' then yes you have.  Kris Jenkins, when healthy, was incredible.  We didn't have much of him when healthy but he was even more dominant than Harrison, who is indeed a great player.  We also had a really good one in Jason Ferguson for many years.  I won't bother going back as far as Salaam (and Klecko for that matter).  

 

 

I go back to the Namath days.  So having been around so long I forget some of the players we had throughout the years, but you're right about Kris Jenkins.  I should have remembered Jenkins because I had the pleasure of meeting him at a charity event once.  He was awesome on the field and a great guy too.  Too bad about his injury history.

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11 hours ago, JetsFanatic said:

I find it hard to believe the Jets would allow Mac to gut the roster then fire him.  The smart move is to see this through.

Didn't they do something very close to that with Idizik?

I feel like Macc's rebuild started when he took the job. Fitzpatrick playing over his head and the Revis/Woody thing took him on a detour.

But the draft track record isn't awesome really.

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1 hour ago, long suffering jets fan said:

Fair enough, that's one player that didn't work out.  Why don't we give these guys a chance before we equate them to Pryor.

My very point is that merely starting so far isn't indicative of any particular accomplishment on the player's part, or on the part of the GM who drafted him.

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At this point the firing offense would be to screw up the tank and not have a shot at a top 3 QB

 

The other thing a forward thinking GM can do with tons of cap room is to lock up home grown talent early at a bit of a discount.  It is not the same thing as overpaying for free agents and if done correctly it can enable a select few FA acquisitions later on.  Just don't be wrong with that.

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13 hours ago, Jetster said:

Yea, because all draft picks are All Pros in their 1st two years, give me a f*cking break! Had Rex not won a meaningless game in Miami at least Macc would have had OBJ to start with @ WR. 

Umm, no we only draft defense in the first round.  But I like the optimism. 

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9 hours ago, gEYno said:

Ok - who have the fans labeled a bust too early.  Who's our star player that we all mislabeled?

Bilal Powell for starters.

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13 hours ago, Jetster said:

Yea, because all draft picks are All Pros in their 1st two years, give me a f*cking break! Had Rex not won a meaningless game in Miami at least Macc would have had OBJ to start with @ WR. 

If OBJ had the misfortune of being drafted by the Jets, he wouldn't be "OBJ" he'd be "Odell, the solid but unspectacular first round reach."

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15 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

#competition

#bestplayersplay

I don't see any problem with playing Petty before Hack.  He will get hurt in two games or three like he always does and the team will have carte blanche to bring Hack in permanently---or at least to the end of this season.  Petty''s major problem is he cannot remain standing

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24 minutes ago, jack48 said:

I don't see any problem with playing Petty before Hack.  He will get hurt in two games or three like he always does and the team will have carte blanche to bring Hack in permanently---or at least to the end of this season.  Petty''s major problem is he cannot remain standing

Petty has bad awareness of everything around him. Needs to learn how to duck like Brady. Comes with experience. I hate the fact he's always trying to learn behind high school offensive lines.

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43 minutes ago, jack48 said:

Watching the Jets this season will be like watching the Mets this season

This analogy only works if the Mets had spent their last twenty draft picks on bad bullpen catchers.

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17 hours ago, nycdan said:

Totally agree.

 

Player  Att   Comp   Yds   Comp %   Yds/Att   TD   TD%   INT   INT%   Long   Sack     Sack/Lost   Rating
Bryce Petty  48   32    426   66.7   8.9   3   6.3   1   2.1   85   2         10  106.8
Christian Hackenberg  74   42   372   56.8   5   2   2.7   2   2.7   26   9         59  68.1

Pretty much sums it up right there.

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4 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

Pretty much sums it up right there.

Actually, probably not entirely but I can't find a stat on dropped passes.  I suspect there were at least a half dozen legitimately good passes that were dropped for Petty (and probably a few for Hack as well).  

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11 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

My very point is that merely starting so far isn't indicative of any particular accomplishment on the player's part, or on the part of the GM who drafted him.

Your point is correct, but most here are bashing before they give these guys a chance.  They were good enough to stick and good enough to start, let's see if they can take the next step and be productive starters, then we can more fairly judge Macc.

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23 hours ago, dbatesman said:

It's cool that he can blow two drafts on ungodly terrible players and then just say "uhh we're rebuilding now" so none of it counts

These debates are getting tiresome. 

Has Mac been perfect?  Far from it.  But he is light years ahead of Idzik and his abilities to draft. 

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17 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

These debates are getting tiresome. 

Has Mac been perfect?  Far from it.  But he is light years ahead of Idzik and his abilities to draft. 

I'd be more pissed off if we drafted a good QB & still sucked! Colts? We'd kill for Andrew Luck. Lions? They couldn't get it done with Stafford & now they'll lose all their good players giving him 27 million. How long did it take Atlanta to get to a Super Bowl with Matt Ryan ? The Chargers with Phillip Rivers have missed their chance, 

We haven't had anyone as good as the QBs above but have had better seasons up until last year for Atlanta. Now if Macc started out here with a competent QB that's a different story. Thank god he took Williams so we didn't have to sign Sheldumb to a mega contract. 

He's been working on the LBs, Safeties, WRs, took McGuire at RB, Shell at Oline, Burris at CB, Jones at CB this year, Hack?, I'm sure 2018 will be QB, Oline, etc. there is so much to make up for from Tanny/Rex/Idzik mistakes. 

This 2017 draft might be his best from early indications. We could have all 4 top picks playing large roles by the end of the season. I'm going out on a limb to say Stewart will be a fan favorite, a tough SOB straight arming bastard & Adams/Maye combo becomes one of the best safety tandems in the NFL. Would love to see us sign Rudolph, the Giants cut & go forward with these young guys so they all get experience. My cut would be Peake who just doesn't seem to progress, in the NFL, when you get in that 2nd year you have to flash. Stewart, Hansen, Anderson, and Rudolph flashed (his hand catches & body control vs Jets made him standout to me). 

We'll see what these next few days bring us. 

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