Guest Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Curious from other Jet's supporters how much responsibility they place on Bill Parcells (Bill Belichick was Parcells annointed one) when Belichick resigned and then went on to lead the New England team to a 201-71 record , winning 14 AFC titles and four Super Bowl titles. Woody Johnson at the time was in a bitter bidding war for the Jet's with Charles Dolan. Who actually won that? In the same breath, the New York Jet's has had a 132-140 record winning one division title and no Super Bowls since then. The cheating argument is pretty lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 This is the worst thing to ever happen to the Jets, no denying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 but the Jets got a first round draft pick from the pats* for tempering with BB, and then signed Curtis Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge4Tide Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 He would have been fired in 3 years here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFanWithNOPSL2017 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 He would have been fired in 3 years here He would have been canned in year 2 with the Cheaters had not ALL TIME CHEATERS HOF LB Mo Lewis not saved his stupid ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Woody Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 It was actually his second stint as our head coach. Remember they hired him before Tuna came over and pushed Mumbles back to dc. Head coach twice and never coached a game. I'm willing to bet that's why he spurned the Jets later. He was still pissed about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Belicheat envy never fails Cimini runs same story every year Helllo... he cheated to get all those wins....proven undeniable fact I never liked him when he was here and with Gaints...good ridence fukface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 thank god. any loser who was raised in a military academy honor system environment that would cheat over and over again brings nothing but shame to an organization what a schmuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 He kisses his adult daughter on the lips. No thanks. Don't need that douche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I remember at the time thinking this was not that big of a deal, thinking good DC, ok HC. Damn was I wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 16 minutes ago, SickJetFan said: Belicheat envy never fails Cimini runs same story every year Helllo... he cheated to get all those wins....proven undeniable fact I never liked him when he was here and with Gaints...good ridence fukface Even the biggest Jets apologist cannot say with a straight face Deflategate was 'proven' and/or 'undeniable'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, PFSIKH said: Even the biggest Jets apologist cannot say with a straight face Deflategate was 'proven' and/or 'undeniable'. We don't have to. Brady was found guilty by the commissioner. That is all that matters in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 31 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Woody Johnson. Yeah. This. It's weird how the years have actually earned him a pass considering how great the Pats have been and how mediocre the Jets have been since the whole thing. If Woody wasn't such a hardo, Belichick is the Jets coach. Really is that simple too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 27 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Woody Johnson. The stench has followed this franchise around since the day Johnson bought the team. Why do good football people sooner or later leave? Why does he hire 2nd rate defense-first psuedo tough guys? Why is the organizational chart a bowl of spaghetti? Why is this such a dysfunctional mess? Parcells and/or Bellicheat were set up in their backyard to stick it to the Giants and print cash. And yet both walked away rather than work for this guy. Keeps coming back to Robert Wood Johnson IV as the constant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I have 2 credibility test questions for the chowds; 1) what is ernie adams job description ? 2) why did goodell destroy the evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 He would failed here just like he failed in Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 He would not have drafted Brady here, and ended up being our version of Jeff Fisher with the Oilers/Titans. He was unproven, and didn't have caché. Our GM at the time would have overruled him on Brady. No doubt about it. So, relax. There's no version of this fairy tale where his success can just be transposed to the Jets, except in the deepest pits of despair and envy for certain Jet fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 We would have drafted Brady and won 4 Super Bowl's. I was at the Mo Lewis game. Haunts me to this day. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 15 minutes ago, Larz said: I have 2 credibility test questions for the chowds; 1) what is ernie adams job description ? 2) why did goodell destroy the evidence? Adams and Bellicheat are huge pieces of shyte. And reality is that is not necessarily a bad quality for an NFL coach or front office guy. You may want to pretend otherwise, but reality is if they were your POS with Lombardis to match, good for us. They are always looking for an edge. Mangini had some of that, but really he had no rings, got screwed by Favre getting hurt and players getting tired of being browbeaten. Every other strategic dullard Johnson has hired has gone into every Pats game with an inferior gameplan. Figure we're giving away 7-10 points before they flip the coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 44 minutes ago, NoBowles said: I remember at the time thinking this was not that big of a deal, thinking good DC, ok HC. Damn was I wrong. This was my feeling at the time also...who knew ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 50 minutes ago, PFSIKH said: Even the biggest Jets apologist cannot say with a straight face Deflategate was 'proven' and/or 'undeniable'. lol and we already forgot about the videogate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Fan RI Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 54 minutes ago, PFSIKH said: Even the biggest Jets apologist cannot say with a straight face Deflategate was 'proven' and/or 'undeniable'. Maybe. But a big Jet enthusiast, and physicist, can say it was both proven, and undeniable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Maine Coon Cat said: Curious from other Jet's supporters how much responsibility they place on Bill Parcells (Bill Belichick was Parcells annointed one) when Belichick resigned and then went on to lead the New England team to a 201-71 record , winning 14 AFC titles and four Super Bowl titles. Woody Johnson at the time was in a bitter bidding war for the Jet's with Charles Dolan. Who actually won that? In the same breath, the New York Jet's has had a 132-140 record winning one division title and no Super Bowls since then. The cheating argument is pretty lame. You're not a Jet supporter! You are pretty lame and so is this thread. Nobody cares what you think about anything let alone football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 51 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: He would not have drafted Brady here, and ended up being our version of Jeff Fisher with the Oilers/Titans. He was unproven, and didn't have caché. Our GM at the time would have overruled him on Brady. No doubt about it. So, relax. There's no version of this fairy tale where his success can just be transposed to the Jets, except in the deepest pits of despair and envy for certain Jet fans. At a bare min, Brady doesn't become Brady the way we know him now, and the Pats are not a dynasty, both would be nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devland Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 48 minutes ago, SAR I said: We would have drafted Brady and won 4 Super Bowl's. I was at the Mo Lewis game. Haunts me to this day. SAR I Story was one of the Jets scouts badly wanted to draft Brady but Parcells couldn't be convinced. This is contained in Gary Meyers book. So if Belichick was still here it was likely that Parcells would still have drafted defensive back Tony Scott instead. Also one of the main reasons Belichick left was to get out from under Parcells shadow so he could make his own personal decisions.. BTW The same book also states that Belichick wanted to start Brady ahead of Bledsoe from the first game of the season but didn't because of his experience in Cleveland when he benched Bernie Kosar. Brady starting ahead of Bledsoe was close to happening any way Mo Lewis or no Mo Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 13 minutes ago, NoBowles said: At a bare min, Brady doesn't become Brady the way we know him now, and the Pats are not a dynasty, both would be nice Nice, of course. I know I'd be much better at arguing the pro-cheating angle than the actual Pats fan are, if we were in their shoes. They're ******* idiots. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Belichick is a great coach but no way does he have the run he had last 15 years without TB12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFanWithNOPSL2017 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 DumpLockGive the troll a timeout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Belichick made the right decision from his POV. 4 rings and a lot of AFCE titles. He wanted to get out from Parcells and uncertain ownership. There's no regrets with Belichick, the regrets should be that we haven't done a better job at the Jets in that time. As for if BB didn't have TB12 he wouldn't have won as much, well, you can't have it both ways. A Pats fan can turn around and say without Namath we wouldn't even have one SB ring. We did have Namath and we do have one ring, they do have Tom Brady and they do have four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The way this he handled his departure here is one of many examples that prove that he's a sociopathic piece of human garbage. The fans up north that celebrate this anniversary prove they aren't much better. They continue to exhibit that they are willing to compromise logic and basic values for sports trophies. They truly are professionals at making themselves look foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 but the Jets got a first round draft pick from the pats* for tempering with BB, and then signed Curtis Martin You got your times way off brother. Martin was here for 2 years already once Belichek bolted.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 11 hours ago, Maine Coon Cat said: Curious from other Jet's supporters how much responsibility they place on Bill Parcells (Bill Belichick was Parcells annointed one) when Belichick resigned and then went on to lead the New England team to a 201-71 record , winning 14 AFC titles and four Super Bowl titles. Woody Johnson at the time was in a bitter bidding war for the Jet's with Charles Dolan. Who actually won that? In the same breath, the New York Jet's has had a 132-140 record winning one division title and no Super Bowls since then. The cheating argument is pretty lame. It was all on Parcells, he wanted to control BB. he couldn't even let him know his intentions when he knew he was stepping down and BB would be elevated to HC. this is all on BP. I appreciate BP bringing our franchise out of the dark ages but the man cost us a combination of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. assuming BB has the same staff in place here he had in NE we draft Brady and we are going for a 5th SB right now while we are laughing at other teams whining about our cheating ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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