Jaguars out of Cousins race

[detectivekimble]

6 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

You didn’t watch the game then dude, all the talk was about the wind that day in Jacksonville just ask out Jacksonville resident @JiF

There's nothing about the wind in the postgame reports, dude.

[Fantasy Island]

5 hours ago, long suffering jets fan said:

As far as we did with Sanchez, but Sanchez did it two years in a row.

Mark had as much affect on us getting to the AFC championships as the gunner on the punt team.  We got there despite Sanchez.

[Fantasy Island]

1 hour ago, tfine said:

 

When you’ve been starved for a QB for so long like the Jets your going to overpay. Either with money or with draft picks to move up plain and simple. Sign Cousins, draft Barkley/OL 90 percent of the draft should be offense. Unless and edge rusher or Corner fall in our lap.







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We do not have an NFL QB on our roster.  We must draft 2 QB's in this draft. Mayfield and Falk.

[Greensleeves]

17 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:

Mark had as much affect on us getting to the AFC championships as the gunner on the punt team.  We got there despite Sanchez.

You should really think before you post. Do you have any idea what his stats were for the playoffs in both years? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Here they are:

2009: 4 TDs 2 INTs, 92.7 QBR

2010: 5TDS 1 INT, 95.5 Rating

Sanchez was really good in those playoff games. He had some spectacular TD throws - one in particular I remember against the Pats.

[Smashmouth]

Know whats funny ? Bortles is a QB who has had 30 + TD's in a season 4500 yards in a season and turned his entire game around in the second half of a season with a new coaching staff and front office and played very well through out the playoffs and Jets fans of all people are laughing at the Jaguars for extending him ? I know the majority of you don't watch any football other than the Jets and people condemning Blake Bortles after the guy has finally seemed to "get it" confirms that.

Sometimes all a good QB needs is a competent HC you know like the one we passed on for Todd Fcuking Bowles

[JoJoTownsell1]

7 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Know whats funny ? Bortles is a QB who has had 30 + TD's in a season 4500 yards in a season and turned his entire game around in the second half of a season with a new coaching staff and front office and played very well through out the playoffs and Jets fans of all people are laughing at the Jaguars for extending him ? I know the majority of you don't watch any football other than the Jets and people condemning Blake Bortles after the guy has finally seemed to "get it" confirms that.

Sometimes all a good QB needs is a competent HC you know like the one we passed on for Todd Fcuking Bowles

You haven't watched much of bortles. He's horrible. He had a couple of good games late  in the season which ended with 2tds and 5ints in his last two games which you somehow missed despite watching soooo much football.  Was marrone responsible for those last two regular season games or do you just credit marrone for good and ignore the bad?

You know why bortles got an extension? Because he had surgery which was going to guarantee a large cap hit for this year. So they extended him to ease the cap hit for this year, in part, to free up space to address the QB situation. 

LMAO at thinking this extension is proof the Jags like bortles. 

[Smashmouth]

1 minute ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

You haven't watched much of bortles. He's horrible. He had a couple of good games late  in the season which ended with 2tds and 5ints in his last two games which you somehow missed despite watching soooo much football.  Was marrone responsible for those last two regular season games or do you just credit marrone for good and ignore the bad?

You know why bortles got an extension? Because he had surgery which was going to guarantee a large cap hit for this year. So they extended him to ease the cap hit for this year, in part, to free up space to address the QB situation. 

LMAO at thinking this extension is proof the Jags like bortles. 

I never said the extension was proof of anything. But when you take a competent QB and add a solid Running game to open up play action and a good OL to protect him and the turnovers start going down, which they obviously did, they are heading in the right direction with Bortles. So go laugh your ass off all you want 

[varjet]

1 hour ago, Fantasy Island said:

We do not have an NFL QB on our roster.  We must draft 2 QB's in this draft. Mayfield and Falk. 

Falk could likely be gone when the Jets pick in the second round.  Good teams picking late in the 1st round with aging QBs could look to pick successors, and they know that the QBs will not be there at the end of the second round.

[Philc1]

6 hours ago, tfine said:

 

I think Cousins is a lot better. Plus I feel like we need a sure thing at QB. This fan base cannot wait for a top QB draft pick “pan out” plus the Jets aren’t exactly stellar at drafting and developing QB’s. Overpay for Cousins. Take the sure thing. So we can put this “we dont have a franchise QB” discussion to rest for at least 5 years or at least until he throws his first pick of the season.....

 

 

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Cousins is better.  I don’t think he’s “a lot better” but unlike Bortles who sucked until he had Marrone Cousins doesn’t need a good coach to be successful 

[Philc1]

3 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

Know whats funny ? Bortles is a QB who has had 30 + TD's in a season 4500 yards in a season and turned his entire game around in the second half of a season with a new coaching staff and front office and played very well through out the playoffs and Jets fans of all people are laughing at the Jaguars for extending him ? I know the majority of you don't watch any football other than the Jets and people condemning Blake Bortles after the guy has finally seemed to "get it" confirms that.

Sometimes all a good QB needs is a competent HC you know like the one we passed on for Todd Fcuking Bowles

And Colin Kaepernick once looked like a future all-pro with Harbaugh.  We have a bottom 3 coaching staff if we go with a qb who needs to have his hand held by a qb guru we are setting him up for failure 

[The Crusher]

7 hours ago, Thai Jet said:

For nearly double the price ?

Yes. We have spent money on way worse . 

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Cousins is better.  I don’t think he’s “a lot better” but unlike Bortles who sucked until he had Marrone Cousins doesn’t need a good coach to be successful 

Bortles threw for 35 tds and 4,400 yards in 2015

[BurnleyJet]

7 hours ago, T0mShane said:

jesus, Idzik is brilliant. Clears up a sh*t-ton of cash to re-sign Allen Robinson if they want, and can whack Bortles after next year with little to no pain. A true cap ninja.

Idzik's the tea boy.

[Paradis]

20 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

18 a year seems like a ton for him, but in if you remove guys on their initial rookie contracts, he'll still be one of the lowest paid starting QBs in the NFL next year.

This may have been started elsewhere but consider--

• The Jaguars were possibly going to be stuck with him for $19 mill b/c 5th year option for injury (wrist)
• The contract is one they can get out of next year with reasonable ease. 

It's actually not much of a diff. But yes, it does mean they're not (or didn't think they could due to injury) cut ties with Bortles and go all in. 

Still going to be interesting to see if they sniff around Lamar & or Falk/Lauletta in mid rounds. 

[Thai Jet]

2 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Yes. We have spent money on way worse . 

$30 mil per year ?

[detectivekimble]

8 hours ago, Greensleeves said:

You should really think before you post. Do you have any idea what his stats were for the playoffs in both years? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Here they are:

2009: 4 TDs 2 INTs, 92.7 QBR

2010: 5TDS 1 INT, 95.5 Rating

Sanchez was really good in those playoff games. He had some spectacular TD throws - one in particular I remember against the Pats.

He was pretty bad against the Chargers in 2009 and the Colts in 2010 and didn't do anything against the Steelers in the first half of the AFCCG.

[nyjunc]

8 hours ago, detectivekimble said:

He was pretty bad against the Chargers in 2009 and the Colts in 2010 and didn't do anything against the Steelers in the first half of the AFCCG.

He didn't have a single bad playoff game.  he was very good at SD but some folks just look at stats w/o context.  he outplayed the supposed top QB Philip Rivers.  he didn't make the big mistake and Rivers did and their yardage #s were similar until we went up 10 in the 4th and stopped throwing.  I guess people would have liked if we lost and his yardage #s went up?

at Indy 2010 he had a rough 1st half but was outstanding in the 2nd half including leading the GW drive getting the ball w/ less than a minute left and setting up a chip shot FG for the win.

He barely had the ball the 1st half of the 2010 Championship game at Pitt. The entire 1st qtr was almost gone by the time the Jets had their first possession.

[nyjunc]

Jacksonville made a smart move either way.  No, Bortles is not great.  he's basically a young Eli Manning, a guy a team can win w/ if the right pieces are around him.  They would have made the SB if the Jags D stopped Brady the way the Giants D did but they should(nothing is guaranteed) have more chances in the coming years.

[Jetster]

35 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Jacksonville made a smart move either way.  No, Bortles is not great.  he's basically a young Eli Manning, a guy a team can win w/ if the right pieces are around him.  They would have made the SB if the Jags D stopped Brady the way the Giants D did but they should(nothing is guaranteed) have more chances in the coming years.

Talk about a division with bad defenses. Houston lost Watt/ Mercillus, Cushing, the Titans defense was HORRENDUS, and the Colts defense sucked balls too! 

So in effect, Bortles played 6 games, more than 1/3rd of the NFL season against tomato cans. That's the new NFL when there are a lot of injuries. The Steelers defense sucked too, and so did the Patriots! There was 1 punt in the Super Bowl! Of course this is all foreign to Jet fans BECAUSE WE DONT DRAFT OFFENSE! Lol. 

Lets go get Kirk Cousins, sign Jensen, draft Nelson, draft a stud RB, sign another vet WR. Then maybe we can take advantage of sh*tty defenses too! Hell, McCown went through the Pats like butter in the 1st game. Then the Oline failed to protect him.

Bortles is mediocre at best, the Jags D is nasty, great RB, and like Fitz in 2015, Bortles made hay vs a bunch of crappy defenses, given great field position from his top 3 defense. That's why he ONLY GOT 18 per. That's cheap! 

[SouthernJet]

On 2/24/2018 at 9:06 PM, varjet said:

They want a limited qb with physical skills that allows them to pay other players.

sounds good to me. 

lot of truth to this,,reason Cousins was being mentioned there was Jags ready to win now,,well that cause they have a lot of young great talent,, THAT will be coming up in a year or two for new deals,, they may just not prioritize QB as much as overall talent for other 21 positions

[The Crusher]

12 hours ago, Thai Jet said:

$30 mil per year ?

Not on one player but on a couple players that quit in the team. Yes. 

[nyjunc]

1 hour ago, Jetster said:

Talk about a division with bad defenses. Houston lost Watt/ Mercillus, Cushing, the Titans defense was HORRENDUS, and the Colts defense sucked balls too! 

So in effect, Bortles played 6 games, more than 1/3rd of the NFL season against tomato cans. That's the new NFL when there are a lot of injuries. The Steelers defense sucked too, and so did the Patriots! There was 1 punt in the Super Bowl! Of course this is all foreign to Jet fans BECAUSE WE DONT DRAFT OFFENSE! Lol. 

Lets go get Kirk Cousins, sign Jensen, draft Nelson, draft a stud RB, sign another vet WR. Then maybe we can take advantage of sh*tty defenses too! Hell, McCown went through the Pats like butter in the 1st game. Then the Oline failed to protect him.

Bortles is mediocre at best, the Jags D is nasty, great RB, and like Fitz in 2015, Bortles made hay vs a bunch of crappy defenses, given great field position from his top 3 defense. That's why he ONLY GOT 18 per. That's cheap! 

Bortles has not been a good QB yet but he's good enough to win with.  He helped Jax win a playoff game where the opponent scored 42 points and did it on the road.  How many QBs in playoff history can say that?  Eli Manning has never won one where the opponent scored more than 20 points. 

we can make excuses about the D's he faced but what help did he have in the pass game?  he wasn't loaded w/ weapons around him other than the rookie RB.  Jax made a wise move, it's a cost effective move and if Bortles doesn't progress they can move on relatively quickly but if he does then they hit a jackpot.  It's a very safe gamble.

[JustInFudge]

There was a 4 game stretch, in December mind you, that Blake Bortles was playing as well as any QB in the league.

He sucks but Mike Glennon is good - JN logic.

[Stark]

If Jax franchises Allen Robinson, signs a TE like Jimmy Graham think that they will be just fine. I am not a huge Bortles fan, but for the $$$ I am not sweating this extension.

[jeremy2020]

What an embarrassing way for them to exit the sweepstakes

[Skeet Ulrich]

Curious decision, seeing as the reason they lost the AFCCG was because they didn't trust the QB to make plays

[nycdan]

So as not to create another thread, I'll post this here.  
 

Word is that MIN will not tag Keenum, leading to speculation that they are going all-in for Cousins (why else would they not tag Keenum?).  Definitely a situation worth watching but it will make things a lot tougher on the Jets if this is all true.

[BrickTamland]

Following Bortles extension, Jags have

-- 40M cap for 2018

--17M cap for 2019

--31M cap for 2020

They could franchise him. Long term seems unlikely. Interesting situation.

[Adoni Beast]

With Minnesota not franchising Keenum, I believe they become the front runners to land Cousins, which is worst case scenario for is because if we missed out on Cousins I would hope it would be to Cleveland or Denver, less teams to battle for drafting a QB.

[Fantasy Island]

On 2/25/2018 at 1:01 PM, Greensleeves said:

You should really think before you post. Do you have any idea what his stats were for the playoffs in both years? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Here they are:

2009: 4 TDs 2 INTs, 92.7 QBR

2010: 5TDS 1 INT, 95.5 Rating

Sanchez was really good in those playoff games. He had some spectacular TD throws - one in particular I remember against the Pats.

PASSING
Year	Team	G	Att	Comp	Pct	Att/G	Yds	Avg	Yds/G	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	20+	40+	Sck	SckY	Rate
2017	Chicago Bears	0	--	--	--	0.0	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	0.0
2016	Dallas Cowboys	2	18	10	55.6	9.0	93	5.2	46.5	0	0.0	2	11.1	33	1	0	3	25	30.3
2015	Philadelphia Eagles	4	91	59	64.8	22.8	616	6.8	154.0	4	4.4	4	4.4	43	7	1	9	54	80.7
2014	Philadelphia Eagles	9	309	198	64.1	34.3	2,418	7.8	268.7	14	4.5	11	3.6	72	34	6	23	151	88.4
2013	New York Jets	0	--	--	--	0.0	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	0.0
2012	New York Jets	15	453	246	54.3	30.2	2,883	6.4	192.2	13	2.9	18	4.0	66	36	5	34	209	66.9
2011	New York Jets	16	543	308	56.7	33.9	3,474	6.4	217.1	26	4.8	18	3.3	74	39	2	39	243	78.2
2010	New York Jets	16	507	278	54.8	31.7	3,291	6.5	205.7	17	3.4	13	2.6	74T	43	10	27	171	75.3
2009	New York Jets	15	364	196	53.8	24.3	2,444	6.7	162.9	12	3.3	20	5.5	65T	34	8	26	195	63.0
TOTAL		77	2,285	1,295	56.7	29.7	15,219	6.7	197.6	86	3.8	86	3.8	74	194	32	161	1,048	73.9

 

Check out the bolded Int's and comp. %, there is the numbers you need to know for the Big Apple Turnover.  Mark was only loved by 2 people: Rex and NYJunc.

[nyjunc]

5 hours ago, Fantasy Island said:

PASSING
Year	Team	G	Att	Comp	Pct	Att/G	Yds	Avg	Yds/G	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	20+	40+	Sck	SckY	Rate
2017	Chicago Bears	0	--	--	--	0.0	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	0.0
2016	Dallas Cowboys	2	18	10	55.6	9.0	93	5.2	46.5	0	0.0	2	11.1	33	1	0	3	25	30.3
2015	Philadelphia Eagles	4	91	59	64.8	22.8	616	6.8	154.0	4	4.4	4	4.4	43	7	1	9	54	80.7
2014	Philadelphia Eagles	9	309	198	64.1	34.3	2,418	7.8	268.7	14	4.5	11	3.6	72	34	6	23	151	88.4
2013	New York Jets	0	--	--	--	0.0	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	0.0
2012	New York Jets	15	453	246	54.3	30.2	2,883	6.4	192.2	13	2.9	18	4.0	66	36	5	34	209	66.9
2011	New York Jets	16	543	308	56.7	33.9	3,474	6.4	217.1	26	4.8	18	3.3	74	39	2	39	243	78.2
2010	New York Jets	16	507	278	54.8	31.7	3,291	6.5	205.7	17	3.4	13	2.6	74T	43	10	27	171	75.3
2009	New York Jets	15	364	196	53.8	24.3	2,444	6.7	162.9	12	3.3	20	5.5	65T	34	8	26	195	63.0
TOTAL		77	2,285	1,295	56.7	29.7	15,219	6.7	197.6	86	3.8	86	3.8	74	194	32	161	1,048	73.9

 

Check out the bolded Int's and comp. %, there is the numbers you need to know for the Big Apple Turnover.  Mark was only loved by 2 people: Rex and NYJunc.

what does that have to do w/ his point about Mark being good in the playoffs?  we know he was up and down in regular seasons but he was very good in the playoffs.  He did not have a single bad game in 6 road playoff games.  He was getting better after his first couple of years then we decided to overhaul his weapons year 3 and take away all his weapons year 4.  If Mark was our QB in 2015 we easily make the playoffs and could have made a run but we had a QB w/ good stats!