Rosen Fans

[Skeptable]

22 hours ago, SouthernJet said:

ya who knows, here is cossel, known as a pretty good qb scout

long article, so just putting link in

https://sports.yahoo.com/greg-cosells-draft-analysis-josh-rosen-refined-perhaps-best-qb-class-151629623.html

Greg Cosell ranks Mayfield as the top QB in the draft...

[Untouchable]

Josh Rosen’s full name...

Joshua Ballinger Lippincott Rosen

 

I wonder if he wears a monocle and sips brandy while he reads The New Yorker.

[Philc1]

On 4/17/2018 at 6:23 PM, Thai Jet said:

They were right about Manning at Tennessee. They won the National Championship the year AFTER Peyton graduated. Oh their QB that year....the wonderfully talented .....Tee Martin. lol

If only this site was around in 1998 Peyton would be getting bashed here is a weak armed prima donna who never won the big game and Ryan Leaf was going to be a “leader of men”

[jack48]

On 4/17/2018 at 2:39 PM, Philc1 said:

About same arm strength as Peyton who didn’t have a cannon either.  He’s not in the Chad Pennington or Ryan Fitzpatrick category of can’t throw past 10 yards that is absolutely ridiculous and false

Peyton's spiral always had a slight wobble mid-flight

[FidelioJet]

Please stop comparing Josh Rosen to one of the top 2 or 3 guys to ever play the game.

Just because Manning didn’t have a strong arm has close to no relevance that Rosen doesn’t have a strong arm.

Manning’s, at the start of his career, had a stronger arm than Rosen. And he didn’t already have shoulder surgery on it.


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[Philc1]

Love how the Manziel part deux fans get so offended if you compare Rosen to Peyton

[greenwichjetfan]

I want Rosen so bad that I’m legitimately scared about any other QB being available. I don’t know how I’ll react if he’s available and we take someone else. 

I’m really hoping that Darnold, Baker, Allen, Jax, Mason, Lauletta, Saquon, and Chubb are all off the board before we pick 3rd overall. 

[Philc1]

1 minute ago, greenwichjetfan said:

I want Rosen so bad that I’m legitimately scared about any other QB being available. I don’t know how I’ll react if he’s available and we take someone else. 

I’m really hoping that Darnold, Baker, Allen, Jax, Mason, Lauletta, Saquon, and Chubb are all off the board before we pick 3rd overall. 

Taking Mayfield over Rosen will be the next O’Brien over Marino moment

[nico002]

Aaron Rodgers dropped because he lacked a deep throw sample size.

[Ghost]

On 4/17/2018 at 3:39 PM, HessStation said:

You freaking guys and quoting the whole OP and me trying to scroll through this thread on my phone.

I never understood why people do this. As if the OP’s dictonairy wasn’t long enough, now they’re quoting him. 

[HessStation]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Taking Mayfield over Rosen will be the next O’Brien over Marino moment

I'm sorta worried about that too.

[Bruce Harper]

On 4/17/2018 at 1:49 PM, JiF said:

Poor little guy could have hurt himself taking a fall like that and someone is just sitting their filming it?

CALL PETA!!!!!!!!!!

Somehow it's not as cute when I do it.  Plus, half the time the bottle breaks and the carpet smells like Jim Beam for months.

[jetspenguin]

On 4/17/2018 at 10:41 AM, Sarge4Tide said:

Here is a video of a cute husky puppy falling down some stairs 

 

Mayfield says Hi...

 

[Jetsplayer21]

2 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Love how the Manziel part deux fans get so offended if you compare Rosen to Peyton

Lol Only the biggest idiots would do that. It’s such a laughable comparison. I thought someone on here was joking

 One was a qb Who lived and breathed football growing up under his father, the other grew up in socal son of rich daddy doc. We know Peyton would would be a tremendous leader, josh Rosen loves tennis and many other things in life other than football. Talks about what business he wants “ after “ football. Even before he starts ??

They had to drag Peyton from the game, I’d be amazed if Rosen plays more than 8 years. Especially on the jets, where he will definately get banged up playing behind a Mac Oline. He can’t escape any pressure and is a fragile qb.

He has a chance to be very good with a strong Oline ( that will never bf the jets ) but Peyton Manning? ???

[greenwichjetfan]

18 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Lol Only the biggest idiots would do that. It’s such a laughable comparison. I thought someone on here was joking

 One was a qb Who lived and breathed football growing up under his father, the other grew up in socal son of rich daddy doc. We know Peyton would would be a tremendous leader, josh Rosen loves tennis and many other things in life other than football. Talks about what business he wants “ after “ football. Even before he starts ??

They had to drag Peyton from the game, I’d be amazed if Rosen plays more than 8 years. Especially on the jets, where he will definately get banged up playing behind a Mac Oline. He can’t escape any pressure and is a fragile qb.

He has a chance to be very good with a strong Oline ( that will never bf the jets ) but Peyton Manning? ???

I want Rosen more than anyone, but comparing him to one of the GOATS is setting him up to fail. No one will ever be Peyton.

[nycdan]

3 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Love how the Manziel part deux fans get so offended if you compare Rosen to Peyton

But many of those same people will instantly compare Mayfield to Brees as if it's so obvious they're annoyed to even have to waste the time to type it.

[FidelioJet]

1 hour ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Lol Only the biggest idiots would do that. It’s such a laughable comparison. I thought someone on here was joking

 One was a qb Who lived and breathed football growing up under his father, the other grew up in socal son of rich daddy doc. We know Peyton would would be a tremendous leader, josh Rosen loves tennis and many other things in life other than football. Talks about what business he wants “ after “ football. Even before he starts ??

They had to drag Peyton from the game, I’d be amazed if Rosen plays more than 8 years. Especially on the jets, where he will definately get banged up playing behind a Mac Oline. He can’t escape any pressure and is a fragile qb.

He has a chance to be very good with a strong Oline ( that will never bf the jets ) but Peyton Manning? ???

Why will the Jets never have a strong O-Line?

[Jetsplayer21]

14 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Why will the Jets never have a strong O-Line?

Is that a serious question ? Mac has made it well known, the Oline is ALWAYS the last on his list as importance. Ok maybe it’s just in front of kicker. He has not took a Oline before the 5th round since he got here. Our line has been in shambles for yrs. Im sure almost every other team in nfl has picked a Olineman once in top 3-4 rounds in past 4 years.

    We have a HC Who the gm caters too, and he wants all D players. Im not saying our line won’t improve, it has to. These team like many has plenty of holes. Team mac and Bowles just prioritize the Oline as last. So no it will never be great. 

[Paradis]

I've seen enough Rosen to know he's legit.... 

I didn't like this however... that's a scary list

 

Quote

3^rd Down Numbers

3^rd down efficiency has long been an area I stress in quarterback evaluations. 3^rd down is ultimately where a quarterback needs to be great; it’s do or die for the drive and the high majority of 3^rd downs are pass attempts. It’s important to evaluate on film, but the raw numbers regarding it have proven to be incredibly predictive for success at the NFL level, at least when you grade poorly in the area.

Rosen, along with Josh Allen, are about to become the 15th and 16th quarterback prospects of the last 10 drafts to be taken in the first four rounds and failed to convert at least 37 percent of their 3^rd down pass attempts into 1^st downs during their final collegiate season. This grouping is has an incredibly meager track record, with just a single one of them making the playoffs to date, that being Derek Carr, who made just one playoff appearance and did not earn a win, leaving seven percent of this list as successful starting quarterbacks (if Rosen and Allen fail, that number drops to 6.25 percent). You will see that the rest of the grouping is largely underwhelming and this problem area could have been used to identify colossal busts such as Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker and Christian Hackenberg.

Josh Rosen (2018)	33.3%
Josh Allen (2018)	36.14%
Davis Webb (2017)	35.14%
C.J. Beathard (2017)	23.6%
Joshua Dobbs (2017)	31.31%
Christian Hackenberg (2016)	27.45%
Cody Kessler (2016)	36.11%
Cardele Jones (2016)	36.17%
Sean Mannion (2015)	29.66%
Bryce Petty (2015)*	35.23%
Derek Carr (2014)	32.84%
Matt Barkley (2013)	35.29%
Jake Locker (2011)	30%
Blaine Gabbert (2011)	33.91%
Jimmy Clausen (2010)	36.9%
Josh Freeman (2009)	36.08%

 

* - Fun note on Bryce Petty; He didn’t convert a single 3^rd and 10+ throw into a 1^st down his senior season despite 22 attempts to do so. Still fascinates me that a guy who had a 3.27 YPA on 3^rd and 10+ ever received the hype he did, but I digress…

While Derek Carr was in the same range as Rosen, it’s particularly disheartening that only six names on that list had a lower 3^rd down conversion rate than Rosen, and only one of them was a 1^st rounder (Locker).

 

[varjet]

4 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Taking Mayfield over Rosen will be the next O’Brien over Marino moment

I can easily see Rosen in Miami.  Easily.  Mike T would definitely do that.  Either there or Arizona.  

Rosen would have a blast in Miami.  There is just way too much fun to be had in Miami.

[Bergen Jet]

On ‎4‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 1:35 PM, kdels62 said:

My biggest concern with Rosen, my favorite qb in the draft, is his arm strength, no one else seems to mention it though. 

My second, but it’s close, choice is Mayfield and the only concern with him is if he can fit a pro scheme into his noggin. 

Three is Darnold, can he clean up his mechanics enough and not just rely on his right arm and athleticism. 

I think Allen is trash and a 3rd rounded at best. 

Pretty fair assessment.  I have Rosen 1 and Mayfield 2.  I don't want Allen or Darnold but I have Allen 3 and Darnold 4.

[#27TheDominator]

10 minutes ago, Bergen Jet said:

Pretty fair assessment.  I have Rosen 1 and Mayfield 2.  I don't want Allen or Darnold but I have Allen 3 and Darnold 4.

From what I have read I would probably have the same order on your top 3 and not know where to slot Darnold.  He's been listed as off the board so long I haven't read anything much except "cow on ice."  OTOH, if you want to go with who I actually like and would prefer to root for?  It's Allen all day long. 

[Stark]

[Philc1]

On 4/20/2018 at 11:31 AM, nycdan said:

But many of those same people will instantly compare Mayfield to Brees as if it's so obvious they're annoyed to even have to waste the time to type it.

No get this you can’t say Rosen has a Manning-esque football iq but you can call him Chad Pennington 

[NYDreamer]

This is the only game you need to watch of Rosen and know that he loves football.  By the way at the end, he pulls a Marino.  He needs to be our QB

 

[bitonti]

Here are Greg Cosell's scouting reports on Rosen 

 

bottom line for a guy known for accuracy he has surprising lapses of accuracy 

[Bruce Harper]

On 4/18/2018 at 2:16 PM, Untouchable said:

Josh Rosen’s full name...

Joshua Ballinger Lippincott Rosen

 

I wonder if he wears a monocle and sips brandy while he reads The New Yorker.

He also is related to the Whartons, who started Wharton Business School.

[Bruce Harper]

On 4/20/2018 at 8:13 AM, Philc1 said:

Taking Mayfield over Rosen will be the next O’Brien over Marino moment

If you say so.

[TuscanyTile2]

7 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Here are Greg Cosell's scouting reports on Rosen 

 

bottom line for a guy known for accuracy he has surprising lapses of accuracy 

That's more than a bit of cherry-picking.

[Adoni Beast]

I believe Rosen will be the pick, regardless of how many people in NYJ organization wants Mayfield. I believe they are 50/50 split on Rosen vs. Mayfield.

Mac is the tie breaker. He will choose Josh Rosen.

[Philc1]

20 hours ago, Adoni Beast said:

I believe Rosen will be the pick, regardless of how many people in NYJ organization wants Mayfield. I believe they are 50/50 split on Rosen vs. Mayfield.

Mac is the tie breaker. He will choose Josh Rosen.

Bates is the real tie breaker if we by some miracle do draft Rosen.  Rosen is by far the best fit for West Coast Offense we run

[Philc1]

22 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

That's more than a bit of cherry-picking.

Before going to UCLA and being a standout there Rosen was the top ranked qb in the entire country there is a reason for that

[Adoni Beast]

5 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Bates is the real tie breaker if we by some miracle do draft Rosen.  Rosen is by far the best fit for West Coast Offense we run

Good point about Bates, as I’m sure the organization sees him as a potential head coach replacement.

But, the question is. Can we protect Josh Rosen? Can he be durable for 12-15 years?

[Philc1]

6 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Good point about Bates, as I’m sure the organization sees him as a potential head coach replacement.

But, the question is. Can we protect Josh Rosen? Can he be durable for 12-15 years?

I really like Mayfield’s left tackle Orlando Brown but I doubt he lasts all the way to the third round

As far as durability goes anyone can last a long time if you build up the OL

 

[Adoni Beast]

15 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

I really like Mayfield’s left tackle Orlando Brown but I doubt he lasts all the way to the third round

As far as durability goes anyone can last a long time if you build up the OL

 

I think he will definitely fall to the 3rd or even 4th. I’d definitely draft him in the 3rd.