Aaron Rodgers and the Packers

[DMan77]

Aaron Rodgers is an amazing QB. We all know that. His list of records and awards is lengthy... But what about Green Bay's overall history with him at the helm?

If I told you that Sam and the Jets would end up with the exact same history as the Packers since 2008, would you be happy or bummed?...There's a Super Bowl in there! And a bunch of Playoff Football!... But with how good he is it sometimes just feels like there should be more. This is probably just the greedy side of me, but if you get lucky enough to hit on a hall of fame QB, shouldn't you want more for the time he's there?

2008 - 6-10

2009 - 11-5, Loss in WC

2010 - 10-6 Super Bowl Champions.

2011 - 15-1, Loss in Divisional

2012 - 11-5, Loss Divisional

2013 - 8-7, (Rodgers missed 7 games), Loss in WC

2014 - 12-4, Loss in NFC Championship

2015 - 10-6, Loss in Divisional

2016 - 10-6, Loss in NFC Championship

2017 - 7-9, (4-1 before Rodgers is injured)

2018 - 5-8 to date.

[ChuckkieB]

I'll take 8 playoff appearances in 11 years and a SB win every day and twice on Sunday.!!

[bla bla bla]

There should be more but that goes to show you how much football is a team game. You could have the best QB ever and only have one ring. I'd gladdly take the last 10 years of Green Bay.

[Philc1]

The packers haven’t had a lot of talent defensively during Rodgers tenure

[Patriot Killa]

Now ask yourself this question. Who is more likely to lead a turnaround of that magnitude?

 

Jim Harbaugh or Matt LaFleur, DeFillippo, ect?

even if you believe neither will. Who do you believe in more? 

Lol ok then let’s go get that guy.

[T0mShane]

I think what the league needs to do is exempt a percentage of QB salaries from counting against the cap because it’s ludicrous to have an elite QB go out on a football field every week with cut-rate guards, tackles, and receivers because the team can no longer afford to pay anyone else. Teams shouldn’t be financially punished for drafting and developing an elite QB when they’re ready to compete for titles. It’s stupid and rewards bad teams for not being able to find a decent QB

[RoadFan]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I think what the league needs to do is exempt a percentage of QB salaries from counting against the cap because it’s ludicrous to have an elite QB go out on a football field every week with cut-rate guards, tackles, and receivers because the team can no longer afford to pay anyone else. Teams shouldn’t be financially punished for drafting and developing an elite QB when they’re ready to compete for titles. It’s stupid and rewards bad teams for not being able to find a decent QB

That is a damn good idea.

[jgb]

Only jets fans could question whether “only” one super bowl is acceptable. If I get 1 before I die, Jets have exceeded expectations.

[Jetster]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I think what the league needs to do is exempt a percentage of QB salaries from counting against the cap because it’s ludicrous to have an elite QB go out on a football field every week with cut-rate guards, tackles, and receivers because the team can no longer afford to pay anyone else. Teams shouldn’t be financially punished for drafting and developing an elite QB when they’re ready to compete for titles. It’s stupid and rewards bad teams for not being able to find a decent QB

Totally agree. I don't think it's coincidence that the guy everyone considers the GOAT has been giving the home town discount so every year they can fix another position. The Pats for the most part go for balance & depth and splurge now & then (Gilmore). 

[DMan77]

2 minutes ago, jgb said:

Only jets fans could question whether “only” one super bowl is acceptable. If I get 1 before I die, Jets have exceeded expectations.

This question could go for any of about 25 teams I feel... It's a question you could basically ask a fan of any team I think..

"You will have a record setting, arguably top 5 QB in the history of the NFL. You will win 1 Super Bowl. How do you feel?"

And I'm not saying the answer to that question is "good!" or "bad!"... I can understand why asking the question in the first place maybe leans towards me criticizing Rodger's and the Packers results, but that's not the case.

I'm just interested to hear people's thought processes and such. It's fun to see how people tick. 

 

[carlito1171]

Same thing can be said about Brees.....Peyton as well...his defense carried him to his 2nd SB win 

It hard to win the SB. Pats have made it look easy because they cheat 

[greenwichjetfan]

Look up his effeciency scores and his impact on the playoff games. Spoiler alert: he’s still a God.

The only game that you could convincingly argue would have been blamed on him if they lost was the NFCCG the year they won the super bowl. He was bad that game, but his team got him out of there with a W.

Every other playoff game in his career including all of the losses, he’s given the Packers everything they needed to win the games. Ultimately, football is the ultimate team game, so just as we’ve never seen Brady or Peyton or Brees get to and win a SB without a top 10 defense, ARod even in God mode still can’t do everything himself. 

This further reinforces the idea that we need to get talent on the field and coaches who will help maximize and realize that talent. Sam is the most important piece, but he’s still only 1 piece of the puzzle.

[Losmeister]

so many dick punches needed around here

[Xtina]

IMO McCarthy has squandered Rodgers 

[greenwichjetfan]

20 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I think what the league needs to do is exempt a percentage of QB salaries from counting against the cap because it’s ludicrous to have an elite QB go out on a football field every week with cut-rate guards, tackles, and receivers because the team can no longer afford to pay anyone else. Teams shouldn’t be financially punished for drafting and developing an elite QB when they’re ready to compete for titles. It’s stupid and rewards bad teams for not being able to find a decent QB

Jets getting alllll the awardz!

[nycdan]

12 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Totally agree. I don't think it's coincidence that the guy everyone considers the GOAT has been giving the home town discount so every year they can fix another position. The Pats for the most part go for balance & depth and splurge now & then (Gilmore). 

If by home team discount you mean taking money under the table illegally in the form of subsidies to his "friend's" supplement company, then yes.

[Pennington]

1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said:

Now ask yourself this question. Who is more likely to lead a turnaround of that magnitude?

 

Jim Harbaugh or Matt LaFleur, DeFillippo, ect?

even if you believe neither will. Who do you believe in more? 

Lol ok then let’s go get that guy.

I want Lincoln Riley or another young coach like Zac Taylor who has worked with QBs before. Harbaugh is way too conservative to get the best out of Darnold.

[Pennington]

1 hour ago, DMan77 said:

Aaron Rodgers is an amazing QB. We all know that. His list of records and awards is lengthy... But what about Green Bay's overall history with him at the helm?

If I told you that Sam and the Jets would end up with the exact same history as the Packers since 2008, would you be happy or bummed?...There's a Super Bowl in there! And a bunch of Playoff Football!... But with how good he is it sometimes just feels like there should be more. This is probably just the greedy side of me, but if you get lucky enough to hit on a hall of fame QB, shouldn't you want more for the time he's there?

2008 - 6-10

2009 - 11-5, Loss in WC

2010 - 10-6 Super Bowl Champions.

2011 - 15-1, Loss in Divisional

2012 - 11-5, Loss Divisional

2013 - 8-7, (Rodgers missed 7 games), Loss in WC

2014 - 12-4, Loss in NFC Championship

2015 - 10-6, Loss in Divisional

2016 - 10-6, Loss in NFC Championship

2017 - 7-9, (4-1 before Rodgers is injured)

2018 - 5-8 to date.

Rodgers is the best QB to ever play the game and the Packers haven't done nearly enough during his time. Its a big reason why I want nothing to do with McCarthy.

[DMan77]

47 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Look up his effeciency scores and his impact on the playoff games. Spoiler alert: he’s still a God.

The only game that you could convincingly argue would have been blamed on him if they lost was the NFCCG the year they won the super bowl. He was bad that game, but his team got him out of there with a W.

Every other playoff game in his career including all of the losses, he’s given the Packers everything they needed to win the games. Ultimately, football is the ultimate team game, so just as we’ve never seen Brady or Peyton or Brees get to and win a SB without a top 10 defense, ARod even in God mode still can’t do everything himself. 

This further reinforces the idea that we need to get talent on the field and coaches who will help maximize and realize that talent. Sam is the most important piece, but he’s still only 1 piece of the puzzle.

Right, very true... And that's partly what I wonder... Do franchises stress, fight, hope, pray, and wish so hard for a franchise QB that once they get him they rest on his laurels? I mean as a few people have pointed out they sometimes get handcuffed with high salaries, which doesn't help.

Anyway it's hard to win a SB! Maybe if one or two plays go differently during any of those seasons and Rodgers ends up with a whole collection of trophies. 

 

[joewilly12]

2 minutes ago, Pennington said:

Rodgers is the best QB to ever play the game and the Packers haven't done nearly enough during his time. Its a big reason why I want nothing to do with McCarthy.

Aaron Rodgers IS NOT THE BEST QB to ever play the game. 

He's a head case and a bigger cry baby than Tom Brady. 

He has issues with his own family. 

COME ON MAN 

[munchmemory]

Watching yesterday, Rodgers once again shined a glaring beacon of light on our putrid defense and coaches, especially Bowles.  Wasn't this guy some guru of defense?  Again, 44 points put up against our defense.  We blow a 14 point 4th quarter lead.  Give up a long drive for the tie.  Then an easy two point conversion.  And finally after another long drive in overtime, allow Rodgers to hit a wide open receiver going across the end zone for the win.  LMFAO!  Defense:  YOU SUCK!!

[Obrien2Toon]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

I think what the league needs to do is exempt a percentage of QB salaries from counting against the cap because it’s ludicrous to have an elite QB go out on a football field every week with cut-rate guards, tackles, and receivers because the team can no longer afford to pay anyone else. Teams shouldn’t be financially punished for drafting and developing an elite QB when they’re ready to compete for titles. It’s stupid and rewards bad teams for not being able to find a decent QB

Interesting 

[Pennington]

Just now, joewilly12 said:

Aaron Rodgers IS NOT THE BEST QB to ever play the game. 

He's a head case and a bigger cry baby than Tom Brady. 

He has issues with his own family. 

COME ON MAN 

I completely disagree. Rodgers is the best ever and has been screwed by an inept front office and terrible coaching. If you switch Rodgers and Brady you would see Rodgers with 8-10 championships and Brady with zero.

[Rangers9]

Sam came close to matching Rodgers and could have come away with that W. Was he facing a better D than Rodgers and better coaching? Their DC is Pettine our former DC. Our skill position players yesterday played well as did theirs. The refs yesterday were not shy calling PI etc esp at important moments in the game. We lost it because of that but tell me one of those calls that was not legit holding, etc. 

[FidelioJet]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

I think what the league needs to do is exempt a percentage of QB salaries from counting against the cap because it’s ludicrous to have an elite QB go out on a football field every week with cut-rate guards, tackles, and receivers because the team can no longer afford to pay anyone else. Teams shouldn’t be financially punished for drafting and developing an elite QB when they’re ready to compete for titles. It’s stupid and rewards bad teams for not being able to find a decent QB

Or put some type of "max" like they have in the NBA...

[Patriot Killa]

20 minutes ago, Pennington said:

I want Lincoln Riley or another young coach like Zac Taylor who has worked with QBs before. Harbaugh is way too conservative to get the best out of Darnold.

Harbaugh was a QB and he’s developed a lot of noteworthy guys. I’m not as fond as some on the next young QB coach turned HC. I’d much rather some experience after further consideration. I think some good coaches will follow if he got the job.

with all this said, unless he is ever canned, I don’t see him leaving. He’s neighbors with his aging parents and he’s really settled in.

[RutgersJetFan]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

I think what the league needs to do is exempt a percentage of QB salaries from counting against the cap because it’s ludicrous to have an elite QB go out on a football field every week with cut-rate guards, tackles, and receivers because the team can no longer afford to pay anyone else. Teams shouldn’t be financially punished for drafting and developing an elite QB when they’re ready to compete for titles. It’s stupid and rewards bad teams for not being able to find a decent QB

I'm pretty sure this is what they tried in Soviet Russia and well we all know how that turned out.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I'm pretty sure this is what they tried in Soviet Russia and well we all know how that turned out.

Yes but imagine Goodell wailing on a podium with his shoe.

[T0mShane]

17 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Or put some type of "max" like they have in the NBA...

If you gave NFL GMs a Bird Rule exemption, they’d all blow their feet off repeatedly with it knowing that they only have four years to win. You’d end up with strong safeties making QB money and it’d destroy everything 

[Scott Dierking]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

I think what the league needs to do is exempt a percentage of QB salaries from counting against the cap because it’s ludicrous to have an elite QB go out on a football field every week with cut-rate guards, tackles, and receivers because the team can no longer afford to pay anyone else. Teams shouldn’t be financially punished for drafting and developing an elite QB when they’re ready to compete for titles. It’s stupid and rewards bad teams for not being able to find a decent QB

I would not say a percentage, but it should be a set amount at the position. A percentage would allow a team to carry 2 very good qb's on a team, which should not be allowed.

[joewilly12]

31 minutes ago, Pennington said:

I completely disagree. Rodgers is the best ever and has been screwed by an inept front office and terrible coaching. If you switch Rodgers and Brady you would see Rodgers with 8-10 championships and Brady with zero.

Opinions are like you know what. 

Have a Happy Holiday hope you get that Aaron Rodgers authentic jersey. 

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, RoadFan said:

That is a damn good idea.

I am extremely smart.

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

I would not say a percentage, but it should be a set amount at the position. A percentage would allow a team to carry 2 very good qb's on a team, which should not be allowed.

This is socialist bullsh*t and you should be shipped to a re-education center immediately, commie.

[Scott Dierking]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is socialist bullsh*t and you should be shipped to a re-education center immediately, commie.

I was going to say the same about your post, but on the other specter, but declined based on political discussion.

Real world question here-The Eagles have  $20m option on Nick Foles for 2019. would you allow him and Wentz on the same roster due to a qb percentage cap?

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said:

I was going to say the same about your post, but on the other specter, but declined based on political discussion.

Real world question here-The Eagles have 1 $20m option on Nick Foles for 2019. would you allow him and Wentz on the same roster due to a qb percentage cap?

No, I would force the Eagles to give Nick Foles to the Jaguars, you pinko sh*t-lib. Then I’d make the Patriots lend Tom Brady to the Broncos every other weekend, you unamerican Venezuela-loving beta male hopey-changey Sandersite snowflake. Disgusting.