Popular Post HawkeyeJet Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 First a few disclaimers. It's not really a curious case, I just couldn't think of a better thread title. Also I've debated posting this for awhile because I anticipate getting raked over the coals for even suggesting he still has upside, but I digress. First and foremost, Edoga's year overall was poor. Bordering on downright awful. The optics from the overall season he put together were discouraging. That said, is it enough to abandon all hope that he can still develop into a quality starter? I've tried going back and watching portions of his games(haven't been able to watch all of them, or even portions of all of them) and just not convinced he should be written off. His first 2 games in the lineup at RT, he played well, very well at times in those first two games. He showed flashes of the athletic traits that got some excited about him in the first place. He also showed how raw he was and why he was considered a project to begin with. That said, in my opinion, his first two games at RT had more positive than negative. Then during the Dallas game, Beachum gets hurt, Shell finishes the game at LT, and Edoga gets flipped to LT the next game(Patriots) and makes 3 starts at LT. These 3 games were atrocious for Edoga. There is no other way to put it. Edoga had 5 accepted penalties on the year, all 5 occurred in this 3 game stretch. He was routinely beaten and often looked confused and just generally over matched both physically and mentally. All of his rawness was exposed 10 fold in his 3 games at LT. It was an absolute disaster. He switched back to RT in his final full game against the Redskins(which wasn't particularly great either) and then he missed the rest of the year after getting hurt against the Giants. My glimmer of hope with him however is that when he was at RT initially, he did show potential. Very good potential in my opinion. Albeit over a small sample size. Then he was forced to play LT and it was game over, and even when he moved back to RT, he didn't really bounce back. Is it crazy to think that a prospect as raw as him was completely shell shocked by the move to LT(which he clearly wasn't ready for)? Again, just some rambling thoughts. I'm not trying to say I am a huge believer in him moving forward, but it seems a bit early to discard him. He was a project to begin with, forced into the lineup in general probably too early, then for sure asked to play LT way before he was ready, and it fell apart at that point. I still think there is an outside chance he surprises people moving forward. 15 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 I agree that he showed some potential ability at RT and is worth keeping around and giving another chance to stick, at the very least for depth and perhaps even compete for the spot, depending on what the Jets do in the offseason at the position. With that said, this is also why I am adamantly in favor of the Jets bringing back Beachum because, while they should certainly still strive to upgrade the position, it is clear no one else on this team is within miles of being even slightly trustworthy at LT. While the OL needs huge help, when it comes to the guys likely to return to the roster (i.e., not Kalil or Osemele), none of them should be handed anything, but it's not the worst idea to allow for some competition, or at the very least end up with guys who were poor starters becoming backups with starting experience, which isn't exactly the worst situation either. Worst case scenario, any of these guys can be cut during camp if it comes to that, as none come with a particularly heavy price tag. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 chuma edoga sounds like a tropical parasitic infection, something one could get a curious case of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Nice topic. IMHO, I think if he has a future as a starter, it will be on the inside. I don't think he will perform well on the outside even as a back-up. I hope the coaches try him on the inside... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 He sucks. Not an NFL player. Single-handedly cost the Jets the Dolphins game last year. 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Reminds me a lot of Vlad DuCasse. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 I don’t think he should be completely discounted but I also don’t think he can be counted on for anything either. Expect to see some serious additions on the OL and some halfhearted additions on the OL. I think two firm starters are brought in, two halfhearted starters, and two or three guys get drafted. Add that to the returning Edoga, McDermott, Harrison and you’ve got your offensive line. Competition at three spots and decent depth. I think this is particularly likely since some of the tackles in this class are being projected all over the place. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 I agree with your post in general. Though in what way was he considered a project coming out of USC? What parts of his game did he need to develop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 2:15 PM, Bleedin Green said: I agree that he showed some potential ability at RT and is worth keeping around and giving another chance to stick, at the very least for depth and perhaps even compete for the spot, depending on what the Jets do in the offseason at the position. With that said, this is also why I am adamantly in favor of the Jets bringing back Beachum because, while they should certainly still strive to upgrade the position, it is clear no one else on this team is within miles of being even slightly trustworthy at LT. While the OL needs huge help, when it comes to the guys likely to return to the roster (i.e., not Kalil or Osemele), none of them should be handed anything, but it's not the worst idea to allow for some competition, or at the very least end up with guys who were poor starters becoming backups with starting experience, which isn't exactly the worst situation either. Worst case scenario, any of these guys can be cut during camp if it comes to that, as none come with a particularly heavy price tag. Of course they're going to bring him back. I wouldn't hand him a starting job, though. Say they do keep Winters for his final season (or at least hold onto him until the draft is over) -- between FA and the draft they need to bring in or bring back a minimum 4 offensive linemen. Even Harrison, while he was an upgrade over Kalil, is more of a backup emergency plan, not a plan plan. If Edoga ends up taking a huge leap forward once they start camp? Even better. Then we get to choose the 5 best not the 5 least-horrible. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KRL Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 Good analysis!!! People will just trash Edoga's whole year but he was very promising at RT. Go look at the DAL game and how he shut down Demarcus Lawrence. When he switched to LT he looked like a totally different (and poor) player. He needs to get healthy and continue to develop, if he's only going to be a RT I'm fine with that. But he needs to earn it, Douglas/Gase shouldn't just hand him the job like they did with Kalil 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, thshadow said: I agree with your post in general. Though in what way was he considered a project coming out of USC? What parts of his game did he need to develop? I'm not probably the best person to dissect things at"scouting report" type level, but in my opinion his two biggest areas that made him a project are his functional strength and just very inconsistent/poor technique, especially with his hands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, THE BARON said: Nice topic. IMHO, I think if he has a future as a starter, it will be on the inside. I don't think he will perform well on the outside even as a back-up. I hope the coaches try him on the inside... I don't think he's strong enough to go inside. Pretty decent feet as a pass blocker. If he can become a starter I expect it to be as a RT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 Chuma Edoga was a rookie playing on a historically bad OL. To expect him to shine when everyone else around him was absolutely atrocious is asking a lot for a 3rd round pick. My assumption is that if he played with actual professional offensive lineman around him, he probably would have played a little better and certainly would have never been asked to play LT. Good news is, he's 22 years old and players get better with time and experience and it helps when there is actually someone worth a sh*t playing next to you. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 The 1st thing is that by the sounds of it the player has physical ability to play. I for sure would not write him off but then again he is a mac pick. I think you learn very quickly about players in year two, no longer rookies, they know what they need to do and what is expected of them in year two, another full off season working out. If he comes out in off season workouts and in camp and he is getting rav reviews about his improvement then he has a future. If we hear little about him or he still looks lost he is an instant suspect. Over the last 5 or more years the jets have had a lot of olineman that they 'loved' and hardly any of these guys actually ended being starters. Guys like QVale, Braden etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Beerfish said: The 1st thing is that by the sounds of it the player has physical ability to play. I for sure would not write him off but then again he is a mac pick. I think you learn very quickly about players in year two, no longer rookies, they know what they need to do and what is expected of them in year two, another full off season working out. If he comes out in off season workouts and in camp and he is getting rav reviews about his improvement then he has a future. If we hear little about him or he still looks lost he is an instant suspect. Over the last 5 or more years the jets have had a lot of olineman that they 'loved' and hardly any of these guys actually ended being starters. Guys like QVale, Braden etc. To be fair, those guys were UFA's...this guy is a 3rd rd pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM28 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 50 minutes ago, Losmeister said: chuma edoga sounds like a tropical parasitic infection, something one could get a curious case of Hey relax, have some 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, JiF said: Good news is, he's 22 years old and players get better with time and experience and it helps when there is actually someone worth a sh*t playing next to you. Chuma Edoga is 22 years old and had the athletic gifts to make Gase and co. gift him 8 games to start as a clearly unprepared rookie maybe he's a "big guard" in Gase's system, but he's probably going to start somewhere along this line next season 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: Chuma Edoga is 22 years old and had the athletic gifts to make Gase and co. gift him 8 games to start as a clearly unprepared rookie maybe he's a "big guard" in Gase's system, but he's probably going to start somewhere along this line next season Depends on his commitment level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 c'mon. the guy is a rookie and everyone wants him to come out and be damien woody. i don't see how the jets can afford to be picky with who they have on the oline at the moment. they'll be signing and drafting a couple of guys in the next couple of months. i doubt if all 5 starters get replaced. probably 3. and it's not like shell has really lit it up either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, section314 said: To be fair, those guys were UFA's...this guy is a 3rd rd pick. The point is after one full year and an off season you can tell if a guy legit has promise or not, if Edoga is 'a guy we like and has potential' and is not a starter then he falls into the jag category with Qvale and braden and the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 The thing that often gets overlooked about OL play is the importance of chemistry and continuity. I don’t think any unit, other than maybe secondary, is as reliant on a cohesive familiarity and synchronicity as the OL. In my opinion our line was utterly shambolic throughout the first 10 games as much due to the constant turnover of bodies, they simply never had a chance to gel. For sure it wasn’t overloaded with talent but it seemed to my admittedly untrained eye that towards the end of season, when the starring line-up stabilised a bit, we actually had much better lind play and far less penalties. all of this means it’s even tougher for a rookie to come in a thrive and equally impossible to make a fair judgement on Edoga because he did play through the worst of the turmoil and didn’t make it into the mare stable final quarter of the season. if we can get a unit that plays together regularly that’s that can make a big difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 He did well enough to earn a shot in camp that’s it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, KRL said: Good analysis!!! People will just trash Edoga's whole year but he was very promising at RT. Go look at the DAL game and how he shut down Demarcus Lawrence. When he switched to LT he looked like a totally different (and poor) player. He needs to get healthy and continue to develop, if he's only going to be a RT I'm fine with that. But he needs to earn it, Douglas/Gase shouldn't just hand him the job like they did with Kalil i would rather have him at RT than shell but truth they should sign a RT in FA and then draft a LT and be done with this crap. how nice was it for 10 yrs to have brick on the left side and not have to worry? oh how we all took that for granted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: i would rather have him at RT than shell but truth they should sign a RT in FA and then draft a LT and be done with this crap. how nice was it for 10 yrs to have brick on the left side and not have to worry? oh how we all took that for granted. I know everybody saw them as plug and play, but Ferguson and Mangold were on their rookie deals through 2009. In 2010 they both signed very large extensions. Perhaps you guys will remember that we couldn't keep much of our talent - we had to cut Faneca straight off, couldn't afford Holmes and Edwards, had to dump Jones and replace him with Tomlinson and then not replace Tomlinson, couldn't afford to pay a decent replacement for Woody. Those big contracts contributed to that problem, even though around here everybody just puts the blame 100% on Revis with laser focus. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: I know everybody saw them as plug and play, but Ferguson and Mangold were on their rookie deals through 2009. In 2010 they both signed very large extensions. Perhaps you guys will remember that we couldn't keep much of our talent - we had to cut Faneca straight off, couldn't afford Holmes and Edwards, had to dump Jones and replace him with Tomlinson and then not replace Tomlinson, couldn't afford to pay a decent replacement for Woody. Those big contracts contributed to that problem, even though around here everybody just puts the blame 100% on Revis with laser focus. Meshawn's fault also Mevi$louch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: I know everybody saw them as plug and play, but Ferguson and Mangold were on their rookie deals through 2009. In 2010 they both signed very large extensions. Perhaps you guys will remember that we couldn't keep much of our talent - we had to cut Faneca straight off, couldn't afford Holmes and Edwards, had to dump Jones and replace him with Tomlinson and then not replace Tomlinson, couldn't afford to pay a decent replacement for Woody. Those big contracts contributed to that problem, even though around here everybody just puts the blame 100% on Revis with laser focus. I’d say it was more about paying guys like Bart Scott, Cromartie, Holmes, Revis, and then the make-up deal to Sanchez that boned the cap. Rex wanted his guys to get paid like frontliners. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 A bad player picked by the previous regime, won't last long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 52 minutes ago, bitonti said: Chuma Edoga is 22 years old and had the athletic gifts to make Gase and co. gift him 8 games to start as a clearly unprepared rookie maybe he's a "big guard" in Gase's system, but he's probably going to start somewhere along this line next season Hopefully he puts in the time in the offseason and comes back much stronger. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 48 minutes ago, Beerfish said: The point is after one full year and an off season you can tell if a guy legit has promise or not, if Edoga is 'a guy we like and has potential' and is not a starter then he falls into the jag category with Qvale and braden and the like. My point is that they may look at this guy as having far more potential because he was a high pick, and thus when they say they “like him” they really mean it. Like he can actually start and help the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: I know everybody saw them as plug and play, but Ferguson and Mangold were on their rookie deals through 2009. In 2010 they both signed very large extensions. Perhaps you guys will remember that we couldn't keep much of our talent - we had to cut Faneca straight off, couldn't afford Holmes and Edwards, had to dump Jones and replace him with Tomlinson and then not replace Tomlinson, couldn't afford to pay a decent replacement for Woody. Those big contracts contributed to that problem, even though around here everybody just puts the blame 100% on Revis with laser focus. poor drafting is why, more than anything else. tanny, idzik and mccagnan never drafted anyone who could help out on offense and the whole thing imploded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 53 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I’d say it was more about paying guys like Bart Scott, Cromartie, Holmes, Revis, and then the make-up deal to Sanchez that boned the cap. Rex wanted his guys to get paid like frontliners. Eh. Rex paid Bart Scott. I don't believe that he was ever that enamored with Cromartie. The Sanchez deal was a horror on many levels, but the wheels were already off at that point. I don't begrudge Ferguson or Mangold the money, but they got paid. At the team's peak, they weren't getting paid and that money was filling the rest of the roster out with guys capable of carrying Sanchez to back-to-back AFC championship games. I'm not sure Ferguson and Mangold ever were ever able to pick up the slack for lesser guys. 23 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: poor drafting is why, more than anything else. tanny, idzik and mccagnan never drafted anyone who could help out on offense and the whole thing imploded. But Tanny did pick those guys. Tanny got Brick and Mangold. He picked Washington, Keller, Kerley, Powell, and Slauson. Even guys considered busts were in the league forever - Ducasse and Clemens probably are still kicking around to this day. The problem is that he could draft guys to replace Cedric Houston, Adrian Jones, Adrien Clarke, and Chris Baker, but when he had to draft guys to replace guys like Woody, Coles, Cotchery and Thomas Jones it wasn't so easy. The guys he was getting might have been solid role players, but they weren't going to build a team around them. 52 minutes ago, Guilhermezmc said: A bad player picked by the previous regime, won't last long. Somewhere Brian Winters is kicking back on his couch counting stacks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: But Tanny did pick those guys. Tanny got Brick and Mangold. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 I was going to quote something that Connor Hughes said... but I figured I would have gotten this kind of reaction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, pdxgreen said: I was going to quote something that Connor Hughes said... but I figured I would have gotten this kind of reaction. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Well. Apparently hie's the Jets RT next year. They are going for interior line and LT but not RT. Chuma is apparently the RT of the future... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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