If I Told You The Jets Were Going To Open 5-0 Would You Call Me Crazy?

[SAR I]

23 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Plus Jet fans.  It's their fault.

Blame this on anyone BUT Jet fans.  I dare you.

It's Jets fans fault we are 0-5 because of your Rex Ryan fetish that started this death spiral, and it's Jets fans fault you expected any better record this season considering the circumstances.

You have a paper thin roster decimated by injuries, you lost your two best defenders, and you're acting like all you need is a head coaching change?  LOL.  And the roster is in this situation because your love for Rex Ryan led to the ejection of Tannenbaum for Idzik and Schottenheimer for Sporano.  You have to pay the price for Sonny, Carlo.

SAR I

[Irish Jet]

1 minute ago, SAR I said:

It's Jets fans fault we are 0-5 because of your Rex Ryan fetish that started this death spiral, and it's Jets fans fault you expected any better record this season considering the circumstances.

You have a paper thin roster decimated by injuries, you lost your two best defenders, and you're acting like all you need is a head coaching change?  LOL.  And the roster is in this situation because your love for Rex Ryan led to the ejection of Tannenbaum for Idzik and Schottenheimer for Sporano.  You have to pay the price for Sonny, Carlo.

SAR I

Ban this clown.

[sciond]

well this thread title aged well

just had the numbers mixed up

[JetsYanks13]

Hahahahaha 5-0


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[OilfieldJet]

Couldn’t have been more wrong

[BettyBoop]

12 minutes ago, OilfieldJet said:

Couldn’t have been more wrong

I think that's his middle name.

[jgb]

2 hours ago, SAR I said:

Show me the three-legged horse that won the Kentucky Derby.

SAR I

Show me the owners dumb enough to enter one

[SAR I]

29 minutes ago, jgb said:

Show me the owners dumb enough to enter one

Be mad at Woody Johnson circa 2012 when he made the decisions that led to today.  I know I do.

But don't blame the head coach who is trying to turn this thing around.  Of course Gase is going to look bad.  He's got no players.  Paper-thin roster with no depth and these injuries would give no coach any chance to win right now.

SAR I

[jgb]

6 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Be mad at Woody Johnson circa 2012 when he made the decisions that led to today.  I know I do.

But don't blame the head coach who is trying to turn this thing around.  Of course Gase is going to look bad.  He's got no players.  Paper-thin roster with no depth and these injuries would give no coach any chance to win right now.

SAR I

He may of been late to the shipwreck but he’s setting the lifeboats on fire 

[BROOKLYN JET]

 

[Jet Life]

You were close!

[jgb]

So if Jets went 5-0, SAR would’ve been right. And if they went 0-5 or anything in between... SAR would’ve been right. 

Get a lot of participation trophies as a kid?

[joewilly12]

As I sit in my damp musty basement man cave eating stale pretzels watching my 82" TV  I just cant help but LAUGH OUT LOUD 

If someone wasn't more exposed than SOR I 

He deserves everything and anything thrown his way. 

[Maxman]

6 hours ago, SAR I said:

Post was made in July.

Before Adams trade.
Before Mosley opt-out.
Before Darnold regressed.
Before Gregg Williams regressed.
Before offense was crippled by losses of Mims, Perriman, Crowder, Bell, Becton, and Darnold.

It's sad, our hot start ruined like that.

SAR I
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Funny how everyone around Adam Gase keeps regressing.

[TuscanyTile2]

5 hours ago, SAR I said:

It's Jets fans fault we are 0-5 because of your Rex Ryan fetish that started this death spiral, and it's Jets fans fault you expected any better record this season considering the circumstances.

You have a paper thin roster decimated by injuries, you lost your two best defenders, and you're acting like all you need is a head coaching change?  LOL.  And the roster is in this situation because your love for Rex Ryan led to the ejection of Tannenbaum for Idzik and Schottenheimer for Sporano.  You have to pay the price for Sonny, Carlo.

SAR I

 

[Maxman]

3 hours ago, SAR I said:

Be mad at Woody Johnson circa 2012 when he made the decisions that led to today.  I know I do.

But don't blame the head coach who is trying to turn this thing around.  Of course Gase is going to look bad.  He's got no players.  Paper-thin roster with no depth and these injuries would give no coach any chance to win right now.

SAR I

This roster is without Adams and Mosley. Those guys are the difference between 5 and 0 and 0 and 5? Wow.

[SAR I]

1 minute ago, Maxman said:

Funny how everyone around Adam Gase keeps regressing.

Never seen such bad luck befall a coaching staff like this.  I feel terrible for Gase, it’s cruel. 

SAR I

[SAR I]

Just now, Maxman said:

This roster is without Adams and Mosley. Those guys are the difference between 5 and 0 and 0 and 5? Wow.

Mims
Crowder
Perriman
Herndon
Griffin
Bell
Darnold
Becton

We haven’t seen our offense, the one we thought might move the ball.  They haven’t played a single game together.  Darnold had 4 months of quarterback training with Jordan Palmer in the same playbook, and he can’t hit the side of a barn. 

The defense I can’t explain.  Penalties, blown coverages, chunk plays.  I expected more from Gregg Williams.  My mistake. 

SAR I

[Gangrene]

 

[Jet Nut]

6 hours ago, SAR I said:

Post was made in July.

Before Adams trade.
Before Mosley opt-out.
Before Darnold regressed.
Before Gregg Williams regressed.
Before offense was crippled by losses of Mims, Perriman, Crowder, Bell, Becton, and Darnold.

It's sad, our hot start ruined like that.

SAR I
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Isnt the point of making predictions is making them BEFORE the games play out and doesnt every season have a certain amount of uncertainty to it?  

Not getting the logic here.  You dont really get to make predictions and make excuses

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, SAR I said:

Mims
Crowder
Perriman
Herndon
Griffin
Bell
Darnold
Becton

We haven’t seen our offense, the one we thought might move the ball.  They haven’t played a single game together.  Darnold had 4 months of quarterback training with Jordan Palmer in the same playbook, and he can’t hit the side of a barn. 

The defense I can’t explain.  Penalties, blown coverages, chunk plays.  I expected more from Gregg Williams.  My mistake. 

SAR I

And you give Gase no responsibility to change things up on the defense after having seen it fail week after week?  His job is to just say "the defense is up to GW and it's not my responsibility to try to fix it"?  This from a guy you praise as a great "HC" rather than "just an OC".

[SAR I]

10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Isnt the point of making predictions is making them BEFORE the games play out and doesnt every season have a certain amount of uncertainty to it?  

Not getting the logic here.  You dont really get to make predictions and make excuses

Had I known that we would lose both Mosley and Adams, and that Mims wouldn't see the field my opinion would have been different.  Had I known that Darnold wasn't "so much improved" as guidance from Jordan Palmer indicated, or that Le'Veon Bell wasn't "lighter weight and in the best shape of my life" as guidance indicated, and we'd be hit with more injuries than the prior year, I would have felt differently too.

I knew the Jets had a thin roster, but expected us to be healthy and have Mims, Mosley, and Adams back in July.  Didn't work out that way.

SAR I

[jago]

Had I known that we would lose both Mosley and Adams, and that Mims wouldn't see the field my opinion would have been different.  Had I known that Darnold wasn't "so much improved" as guidance from Jordan Palmer indicated, or that Le'Veon Bell wasn't "lighter weight and in the best shape of my life" as guidance indicated, and we'd be hit with more injuries than the prior year, I would have felt differently too.
I knew the Jets had a thin roster, but expected us to be healthy and have Mims, Mosley, and Adams back in July.  Didn't work out that way.
SAR I

in other words had you known they would suck you wouldnt have made this prediction.

[SAR I]

14 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

And you give Gase no responsibility to change things up on the defense after having seen it fail week after week?  His job is to just say "the defense is up to GW and it's not my responsibility to try to fix it"?  This from a guy you praise as a great "HC" rather than "just an OC".

Gase has his hands full trying to get this island of misfit receivers on the field, babysitting a RB mistake, and getting a make-believe franchise quarterback to stop committing high school mistakes.  He can't become a better partner on the defensive side of the ball right now.

Gase was handed a train wreck and is being given the time to help Douglas fix it.  Your beef is with Mike Macaggan, John Idzik, and Rex Ryan.  They are the ones who mismanaged every draft and every free agent period for a decade.  "Fire the head coach!" isn't what's called for here.  Patience.  Drafting.  Recruiting.  When we're ready to win Gase might not be the right man for the job.  For what we are right now, he's very good.

SAR I

 

[SAR I]

4 minutes ago, jago said:

in other words had you known they would suck you wouldnt have made this prediction.

 

No, had I known in July what we knew going in to Week 1, I would have made a different prediction.  This thread was started before the players reported to camp.  Before opt-outs and trades.  That was my point of view in July.  Nothing wrong with it.  I was right back then.  Not sure why we're talking about it now.

SAR I

[Rhg1084]

27 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Mims
Crowder
Perriman
Herndon
Griffin
Bell
Darnold
Becton

We haven’t seen our offense, the one we thought might move the ball.  They haven’t played a single game together.  Darnold had 4 months of quarterback training with Jordan Palmer in the same playbook, and he can’t hit the side of a barn. 

The defense I can’t explain.  Penalties, blown coverages, chunk plays.  I expected more from Gregg Williams.  My mistake. 

SAR I

We had them all in week 1 and got blown out 

[TuscanyTile2]

4 minutes ago, SAR I said:

No, had I known in July what we knew going in to Week 1, I would have made a different prediction.  This thread was started before the players reported to camp.  Before opt-outs and trades.  That was my point of view in July.  Nothing wrong with it.  I was right back then.  Not sure why we're talking about it now.

SAR I

1 minute ago, Rhg1084 said:

We had them all in week 1 and got blown out 

SAR says he was right so there goes your point.

 

[TuscanyTile2]

15 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Gase has his hands full trying to get this island of misfit receivers on the field, babysitting a RB mistake, and getting a make-believe franchise quarterback to stop committing high school mistakes.  He can't become a better partner on the defensive side of the ball right now.

Gase was handed a train wreck and is being given the time to help Douglas fix it.  Your beef is with Mike Macaggan, John Idzik, and Rex Ryan.  They are the ones who mismanaged every draft and every free agent period for a decade.  "Fire the head coach!" isn't what's called for here.  Patience.  Drafting.  Recruiting.  When we're ready to win Gase might not be the right man for the job.  For what we are right now, he's very good.

SAR I

In preseason, you had Sam as one of the top QBs in the conference.  Now you call him a "make-believe FQB"? 

We both know full well that the main reason Gase was hired here was to develop Sam (which would lead the team to success).  So if you think Sam stinks then I assume you're also saying that Gase was a miserable failure in the primary thing he was brought here for.

I agree with you that Gase has been a complete failure.

[SAR I]

14 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

We had them all in week 1 and got blown out 

Mims did not play, Perine did not play, Bell played half the game.  Didn't matter much as Darnold couldn't hit the side of a barn and was making pop warner level mistakes.

SAR I

[SAR I]

10 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

In preseason, you had Sam as one of the top QBs in the conference.  Now you call him a "make-believe FQB"? 

What we knew before training camp opened was that a) Sam had Top 10 rating and had 14 TD's to 4 INT's during the last half of the season and b) was receiving very high praise from Jordan Palmer.  This led one to believe that Darnold, at the very least, would play at the level he did prior, not fall apart completely.  What we know now after 4 games is that Sam isn't very good and probably never will be.

10 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

We both know full well that the main reason Gase was hired here was to develop Sam (which would lead the team to success).  So if you think Sam stinks then I assume you're also saying that Gase was a miserable failure in the primary thing he was brought here for.

I don't care why Gase was brought here.  What I care about is that we may have found a very good head coach, a rarity in the NFL.  Sam's regression isn't on the hands of the busy head coach who had his hands full with high roster turnover, opt-outs, trades,  and injuries.  It would be the responsibility of Jordan Palmer, quarterback whisperer.  Sam had a mere 5 weeks of limited camp with Gase; he had close to 4 uninterrupted months of one-on-one time with Palmer.  Sam should dump Palmer and see if he can find a better personal mentor, something he apparently needs.

10 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I agree with you that Gase has been a complete failure.

We don't know what Gase is.  No offensive coordinator or offensive specialist could succeed in these circumstances.

SAR I

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, SAR I said:

What we knew before training camp opened was that a) Sam had Top 10 rating and had 14 TD's to 4 INT's during the last half of the season and b) was receiving very high praise from Jordan Palmer.  This led one to believe that Darnold, at the very least, would play at the level he did prior, not fall apart completely.  What we know now after 4 games is that Sam isn't very good and probably never will be.

I don't care why Gase was brought here.  What I care about is that we may have found a very good head coach, a rarity in the NFL.  Sam's regression isn't on the hands of the busy head coach who had his hands full with high roster turnover, opt-outs, trades,  and injuries.  It would be the responsibility of Jordan Palmer, quarterback whisperer.  Sam had a mere 5 weeks of limited camp with Gase; he had close to 4 uninterrupted months of one-on-one time with Palmer.  Sam should dump Palmer and see if he can find a better personal mentor, something he apparently needs.

We don't know what Gase is.  No offensive coordinator or offensive specialist could succeed in these circumstances.

SAR I

So Gase is too busy to work with Sam and he's also too busy to work with the defense?  And yet you're convinced he's "a very good coach" (not just a "good coordinator", which there's also no evidence of)?  Why?

[ChuckkieB]

32 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Gase has his hands full trying to get this island of misfit receivers on the field, babysitting a RB mistake, and getting a make-believe franchise quarterback to stop committing high school mistakes.  He can't become a better partner on the defensive side of the ball right now.

Gase was handed a train wreck and is being given the time to help Douglas fix it.  Your beef is with Mike Macaggan, John Idzik, and Rex Ryan.  They are the ones who mismanaged every draft and every free agent period for a decade.  "Fire the head coach!" isn't what's called for here.  Patience.  Drafting.  Recruiting.  When we're ready to win Gase might not be the right man for the job.  For what we are right now, he's very good.

SAR I

 

Gase IS the train wreck and whenever the Johnson's reach their maximum embarrassment and shame threshold and fire this pitiful excuse for a head coach, he will NEVER get another job in the NFL again, not even as a toilet cleaner.   

[SAR I]

7 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

So Gase is too busy to work with Sam and he's also too busy to work with the defense?  And yet you're convinced he's "a very good coach" (not just a "good coordinator", which there's also no evidence of)?  Why?

The team is not imploding.  The team is not whining.  The team is not feeling sorry for themselves.  They have limited talent and are trying their hardest to win, on offense especially.

That's good head coaching for a team like ours in this condition.  Wins will come if the team plays hard and believes in the staff.  Our offense is improving week over week even as the injuries pile up.  It's our defense that's the shocker.  Gregg Williams comes on like a beast in his first year and loses his audience in the second.  I thought that his newfound inner peace and excitement would have changed him.  It didn't.

SAR I

[SAR I]

2 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said:

Gase IS the train wreck and whenever the Johnson's reach their maximum embarrassment and shame threshold and fire this pitiful excuse for a head coach, he will NEVER get another job in the NFL again, not even as a toilet cleaner.   

Okay Joe Beningo.  Whatever you say Manish Mehta.  

The Johnson's know this is a multi-year process.  Douglas and Gase have less than a season and a half together.  They're going nowhere.  Get onboard, show some patience, or play a board game on Sunday's.

SAR I

[TuscanyTile2]

12 minutes ago, SAR I said:

The team is not imploding.  The team is not whining.  The team is not feeling sorry for themselves.  They have limited talent and are trying their hardest to win, on offense especially.

That's good head coaching for a team like ours in this condition.  Wins will come if the team plays hard and believes in the staff.  Our offense is improving week over week even as the injuries pile up.  It's our defense that's the shocker.  Gregg Williams comes on like a beast in his first year and loses his audience in the second.  I thought that his newfound inner peace and excitement would have changed him.  It didn't.

SAR I

Rich Kotite was known for saying "we played hard" in post-game press conferences.  And the Jets did play hard for him.  In fact, even when they knew he was coaching his last game for them, the Jets went out and played a thriller that they lost to Miami 31-28.

So I assume you think Rich Kotite was a good HC too then, right?

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/21/sports/kotite-fires-himself-before-jets-can-fire-him.html