ZachEY Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 hours ago, NYJ1 said: I saw nothing in this game that changes my opinion on Sammy. He's been stuck on a sh*t team, with a sh*t surrounding cast, and sh*t coaching. Sammy's decline in my opinion is the Jets fault. I continue to think the wise choice for the Jets is to hold on to Sammy and put him in a straight up QB competition next training camp. Give Sammy a tryout with a COMPETENT surrounding cast. The Jets have NOT done that up to date. He’d have lost a QB competition this year if one was held. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Icer said: Don't be so mean, he had 3 TD's to match his 3 turnovers and sub 200 yards passing It's astounding the bar is set so low for this kid. Any game he's not a total catastrophe is proof that he could be a FQB with 'better weapons'. The guy is ****in awful. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 8 hours ago, Skeet Ulrich said: It's astounding the bar is set so low for this kid. Any game he's not a total catastrophe is proof that he could be a FQB with 'better weapons'. The guy is ****in awful. Flashes!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 10 hours ago, Skeet Ulrich said: It's astounding the bar is set so low for this kid. Any game he's not a total catastrophe is proof that he could be a FQB with 'better weapons'. The guy is ****in awful. Bad roster, injuries and from everything you read the worst HC in the history of the NY Jets. It's hard to swim in the deep end of the pool when you're wearing cement shoes. There is no proof that Sam could be an elite NFL QB. There's no proof that he's a bust either. There's anecdotal evidence on both sides of the equation. Until there's a body, a gun and DNA, picking him out of a lineup isn't going to get a conviction. Put Sam on the Bench behind Montana for several years, give him a chance with one of the great HC/OC and offensive rosters in the NFL and make him wear the magical underwear of the Latter-Day Saints under his uniform and he might be the next Steve Young? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 I didn't know you could see 30+ games of subpar production and label it as 'anecdotal' 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Icer said: I didn't know you could see 30+ games of subpar production and label it as 'anecdotal' I don't see how you could label all 34 of his starts as subpar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 36 minutes ago, Biggs said: I don't see how you could label all 34 of his starts as subpar. This isn't even accounting for this years putrid stats, but he's ranked 30th and 32nd in the previous two years and on pace to match it again. Not sure what's above par here Passing Year Team G GS PaYd Comp Att C% Plays NetYd NY/P TD Int DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Rk 2019 NYJ 13 13 3024 273 441 61.9% 475 2819 5.93 19 13 -290 32 -129 30 -20.4% 31 -15.2% 29 2018 NYJ 13 13 2865 239 414 57.7% 445 2653 5.96 17 15 -110 30 -139 30 -15.2% 30 -16.2% 30 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, Icer said: This isn't even accounting for this years putrid stats, but he's ranked 30th and 32nd in the previous two years and on pace to match it again. Not sure what's above par here Passing Year Team G GS PaYd Comp Att C% Plays NetYd NY/P TD Int DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Rk 2019 NYJ 13 13 3024 273 441 61.9% 475 2819 5.93 19 13 -290 32 -129 30 -20.4% 31 -15.2% 29 2018 NYJ 13 13 2865 239 414 57.7% 445 2653 5.96 17 15 -110 30 -139 30 -15.2% 30 -16.2% 30 Changing the goalposts from every game is putrid to his cumulative is putrid is not the same thing. Sam has provided limited evidence that he can perform and limited but growing evidence that he sucks. Now calculate having the worst HC, the worst surrounding cast plus injuries and what does 30th or 32nd cumulatively mean for 1 player on a team with lots of moving parts? Sam has had several games where he has had very good QBR. Not lots of but several. (Lots meaning more than 4, several meaning more than 2) Sam has never had a good supporting cast or coaching. (Never meaning that's what a majority of fans and pundits think but who really knows for sure) Again that's anecdotal. Gase is held in high regard by the owner of the Jets and Sar 1 again anecdotal. All I'm saying is Sam with the 85 bears might very well be good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, Biggs said: Changing the goalposts from every game is putrid to his cumulative is putrid is not the same thing. Sam has provided limited evidence that he can perform and limited but growing evidence that he sucks. Now calculate having the worst HC, the worst surrounding cast plus injuries and what does 30th or 32nd cumulatively mean for 1 player on a team with lots of moving parts? Sam has had several games where he has had very good QBR. Not lots of but several. (Lots meaning more than 4, several meaning more than 2) Sam has never had a good supporting cast or coaching. (Never meaning that's what a majority of fans and pundits think but who really knows for sure) Again that's anecdotal. Gase is held in high regard by the owner of the Jets and Sar 1 again anecdotal. All I'm saying is Sam with the 85 bears might very well be good enough. How am I changing the goalposts? I said he has had 30+ subpar games, which he does in fact have. Go pull up individual game stats if you want. I pulled an average because its easier. He has maybe 4-5 games where he has played above the league median in almost three entire years, that is pathetic. I agree that he's been saddled with a bad roster, and a terrible coach but his level of production has been abysmal. We should have higher standards for a QB selected #3 overall and stop washing away all responsibility from him 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Yesterday was a good day for Darnold. Only one INT and two fumbles lost. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted December 7, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Biggs said: Bad roster, injuries and from everything you read the worst HC in the history of the NY Jets. It's hard to swim in the deep end of the pool when you're wearing cement shoes. There is no proof that Sam could be an elite NFL QB. There's no proof that he's a bust either. There's anecdotal evidence on both sides of the equation. Until there's a body, a gun and DNA, picking him out of a lineup isn't going to get a conviction. Put Sam on the Bench behind Montana for several years, give him a chance with one of the great HC/OC and offensive rosters in the NFL and make him wear the magical underwear of the Latter-Day Saints under his uniform and he might be the next Steve Young? 2 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 38 minutes ago, Biggs said: All I'm saying is Sam with the 85 bears might very well be good enough. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 6 hours ago, Biggs said: There is no proof that Sam could be an elite NFL QB. There's no proof that he's a bust either. Other than, you know, him being statistically a bottom 3 QB three straight years, and 35-year old, one-foot-in-retirement/the grave Joe Flacco producing significantly better than him (6/3 TD:INT ratio) under the same exact roster/coaching circumstances. He doesn't get a 3-year mulligan for performing poorly just because the Jets did him no favors. All available evidence says he's a bust. He's the same exact guy he was at USC, where he was a flawed prospect. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jgb Posted December 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2020 6 hours ago, Biggs said: Bad roster, injuries and from everything you read the worst HC in the history of the NY Jets. It's hard to swim in the deep end of the pool when you're wearing cement shoes. There is no proof that Sam could be an elite NFL QB. There's no proof that he's a bust either. There's anecdotal evidence on both sides of the equation. Until there's a body, a gun and DNA, picking him out of a lineup isn't going to get a conviction. Put Sam on the Bench behind Montana for several years, give him a chance with one of the great HC/OC and offensive rosters in the NFL and make him wear the magical underwear of the Latter-Day Saints under his uniform and he might be the next Steve Young? I want you on my jury if I'm ever tried for murder and the prosecutor has video evidence, DNA, fingerprints, 10 eye witnesses and the cops catch me fleeing to Mexico in the truck of a Buick with $10k and the murder weapon. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 54 minutes ago, Biggs said: All I'm saying is Sam with the 85 bears might very well be good enough. Bad QB's don't suddenly become good when you give them perfect circumstances. They're just bad QB's playing with a good team. Much like Mark Sanchez. Was handing him a great team his first 2 years enough to make him good? Of course not. He was still a terrible QB. And he went on to continue to be terrible long after leaving the Jets. If Sam Darnold was the starting QB on the '85 Bears, Ditka would be doing everything in his power to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 16 hours ago, TeddEY said: He’d have lost a QB competition this year if one was held. this would be correct. After watching Sam the past 2 games he changed his mechanics and is actually stepping into his throws and stepping into the pocket. With that being said there is still no telling how many wide open WR's he missed on the day which I'm sure videos will surface soon showing exactly what he missed. Just just can't explain away constantly missing wide open receivers and most here seem to leave that little stat (the most important stat) out of the argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Biggs said: Changing the goalposts from every game is putrid to his cumulative is putrid is not the same thing. Sam has provided limited evidence that he can perform and limited but growing evidence that he sucks. Now calculate having the worst HC, the worst surrounding cast plus injuries and what does 30th or 32nd cumulatively mean for 1 player on a team with lots of moving parts? Sam has had several games where he has had very good QBR. Not lots of but several. (Lots meaning more than 4, several meaning more than 2) Sam has never had a good supporting cast or coaching. (Never meaning that's what a majority of fans and pundits think but who really knows for sure) Again that's anecdotal. Gase is held in high regard by the owner of the Jets and Sar 1 again anecdotal. All I'm saying is Sam with the 85 bears might very well be good enough. Only one small problem here ... we are about as far away defensively from the 85 bears as Sam is being a good QB. He has too many flaws and his awareness is just terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 24 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: Only one small problem here ... we are about as far away defensively from the 85 bears as Sam is being a good QB. He has too many flaws and his awareness is just terrible We're also 35 years away from the 85 Bears. The league is different. Suffocating defenses just aren't really a thing anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 45 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: Only one small problem here ... we are about as far away defensively from the 85 bears as Sam is being a good QB. He has too many flaws and his awareness is just terrible But all we need is to reassemble today's equivalent to the 85 Bears. Seems simple enough. And then once we do that, Sam "might very well be good enough" (though good enough for what is left out). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: But all we need is to reassemble today's equivalent to the 85 Bears. Seems simple enough. And then once we do that, Sam "might very well be good enough" (though good enough for what is left out). Same 'ol story as with Sanchez and Geno. The Sanchez excuses were the most ridiculous seeing as we almost did put the '85 Bears D around him, league-best running game, and spent a fortune on wepweonmzz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 hours ago, jgb said: I want you on my jury if I'm ever tried for murder and the prosecutor has video evidence, DNA, fingerprints, 10 eye witnesses and the cops catch me fleeing to Mexico in the truck of a Buick with $10k and the murder weapon. All I need is gloves that fit or I will acquit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Smashmouth said: this would be correct. After watching Sam the past 2 games he changed his mechanics and is actually stepping into his throws and stepping into the pocket. With that being said there is still no telling how many wide open WR's he missed on the day which I'm sure videos will surface soon showing exactly what he missed. Just just can't explain away constantly missing wide open receivers and most here seem to leave that little stat (the most important stat) out of the argument. Berrios was coming open right in front of him on the 2dn strip sack. but since he does not know how toi release the ball at or before the break he just hung on to it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 Hi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Just now, JiF said: Hi Sup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gooch Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Still shocked at how bad he's been. I wish him the best, but it should be over for him here. Moving on is best for both sides. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Icer Posted January 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2021 Build around Sammy The HC candidates are lining up The ticket sales are through the roof 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTIN Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Sam has the confidence of a pimple faced nerd asking the hottest chick in high school to prom. He toast. Set him free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothamLurker Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 I say he is not a bust, as much as a project that did not pan out because he went #3. He is a failed project imo. RG3-ish. RG3 was great at one point though.......... Sam would be solid on a team like SF, were he is like, the 6th best player on the field. Expecting him to be "The guy" aint gonna cut it...... I do think he has a decent run, and career after this. Sam is not a top 15 QB, that can takeover games. he is more Alex Smith like, just with more picks..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, MARTIN said: Sam has the confidence of a pimple faced nerd asking the hottest chick in high school to prom. He toast. Set him free. Dude, so many guys on this board the last two years defending Darnold when all they had to do was look at what was in front of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 57 minutes ago, BROOKLYN JET said: Sup Oh nuthin, just watching this bustalicious bustface Sam Darnold bust all over the field like a busted bust pipe boogie boarding bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, JiF said: Oh nuthin, just watching this bustalicious bustface Sam Darnold bust all over the field like a busted bust pipe boogie boarding bust. I bust a nut just reading this post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BROOKLYN JET Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, JiF said: Oh nuthin, just watching this bustalicious bustface Sam Darnold bust all over the field like a busted bust pipe boogie boarding bust. 1 minute ago, Spoot-Face said: I bust a nut just reading this post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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