Morrissey Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Poor decision making. Same mistakes he made in college.. he’s making now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Smashmouth said: Sam has shown flaws in just about every aspect of his game. I will say though that over the past few games he has stopped (for the most part) throwing off his back foot and he has stepped up into the pocket more than I have ever seen him do so. He has shown improvement in the mechanics I was tearing him apart for but and its a big but he still makes terrible mistakes and he has shown no improvement in his ability to understand the game and after 3 years that's really concerning. So I would have to say his most tragic flaw is his lack of ability to progress through a play at the speed needed to succeed in the NFL and sorry but that's not teachable. one vote for: proper play progression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Morrissey said: Poor decision making. Same mistakes he made in college.. he’s making now poor decision making. now you are speaking my language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 If I had to pick one, I would pick: decision making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Aside from being on the Jets, poor processing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 For me this is easy. From almost day one, I saw that he panics quickly and has difficulty reading coverages. It's what explains the large number of mind-numbingly bad throws he's made that wound up as INTs or pick 6s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Embrace the Suck said: Poor processing. what does this mean for those of us without a whistle on our neck and without the local HS teams sweatpants on? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, munchmemory said: For me this is easy. From almost day one, I saw that he panics quickly and has difficulty reading coverages. It's what explains the large number of mind-numbingly bad throws he's made that wound up as INTs or pick 6s. Panics. Can't read coverage. Check and check. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, munchmemory said: For me this is easy. From almost day one, I saw that he panics quickly and has difficulty reading coverages. It's what explains the large number of mind-numbingly bad throws he's made that wound up as INTs or pick 6s. was he worse at this than Sanchez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Inability to read and diagnose defenses. At USC most of his production came while on the run and on improvised plays. At that level he was able to get away the freelancing. I think his physical attributes are fine but he never became a student of the game. He constantly has made the same mental mistakes over and over. Some team will think they can fix him and have him perform in a traditional offense . I pray that team is not us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, southtown24th said: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ok To elaborate. He doesn’t want to be the best QB in the NFL bad enough, or maybe at all. Without that dictating your every act, every day of the year, success as an NFL QB is not possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 His feet, his vision, he can’t read defenses and with all that he has neither an elite arm nor athleticism to overcome the basics. Oh yeah he also doesn’t play with any confidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Just now, southtown24th said: what does this mean for those of us without a whistle on our neck and without the local HS teams sweatpants on? Whatever he was seeing on the field and how that was being interpreted in his mind at full speed generally led to poor play on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Inability to read and diagnose defenses. At USC most of his production came while on the run and on improvised plays. At that level he was able to get away the freelancing. I think his physical attributes are fine but he never became a student of the game. He constantly has made the same mental mistakes over and over. Some team will think they can fix him and have him perform in a traditional offense . I pray that team is not us. Read defenses. Check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Just now, southtown24th said: was he worse at this than Sanchez? I would need to look at the stats. But on face value? Yes. But Sanchez, Geno and Darnold have broken the bank on the number of INTs/pick 6s. As an NFL fan from the 60s, I literally have never seen so many INTs/pick 6s. It's like they were trying yo do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Inability to read and diagnose defenses. At USC most of his production came while on the run and on improvised plays. At that level he was able to get away the freelancing. I think his physical attributes are fine but he never became a student of the game. He constantly has made the same mental mistakes over and over. Some team will think they can fix him and have him perform in a traditional offense . I pray that team is not us. maybe he is just dumb? like honestly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, southtown24th said: I've sort of racked my brain... I am no peewee football wannabe Belichick rolling around in my team sweatpants all weekend at the local bagel shop on Long Island--you know the type--always has a whistle around the neck. Tell me: out of ALL of Sam Darnold's flaws, what was his #1 most tragic flaw? What was Sam Darnold's #1 "achilles heel" in his game? Sum it up in one sentence of less. No diatribes. Lack of accuracy and interceptions was pretty obvious as his largest risk factor. Lol, I still recall the Homers in the first few years saying he had "elite" accuracy while posting a sub-60% completion rate and a near 1:1 TD:INT ratio. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: To elaborate. He doesn’t want to be the best QB in the NFL bad enough, or maybe at all. Without that dictating your every act, every day of the year, success as an NFL QB is not possible. and your evidence to support this...is...what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, HessStation said: His feet, his vision, he can’t read defenses and with all that he has neither an elite arm nor athleticism to overcome the basics. Oh yeah he also doesn’t play with any confidence. too many things you have to pick one. which one is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said: Whatever he was seeing on the field and how that was being interpreted in his mind at full speed generally led to poor play on the field. YES! Vision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Poor anticipation. His worst INTs (to me) seem to come when he doesn't account for a defender slipping into help coverage. The 2nd INT today is a prime example. Didn't account for guy covering Crowder following the ball. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, munchmemory said: I would need to look at the stats. But on face value? Yes. But Sanchez, Geno and Darnold have broken the bank on the number of INTs/pick 6s. As an NFL fan from the 60s, I literally have never seen so many INTs/pick 6s. It's like they were trying yo do it. hahahahahaha you're so right. it's all we know as Jets fans at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 His ability to read the field and make good decisions under pressure is very poor for an NFL QB. My sense is that he lacks confidence. My wife has commented several times that he always looks nervous and I think that is very telling and jives with his panicky/frenetic play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, y2k8 said: Poor anticipation. His worst INTs (to me) seem to come when he doesn't account for a defender slipping into help coverage. The 2nd INT today is a prime example. Didn't account for guy covering Crowder following the ball. anticipation. good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: His ability to read the field and make good decisions under pressure is very poor for an NFL QB. My sense is that he lacks confidence. My wife has commented several times that he always looks nervous and I think that is very telling and jives with his panicky/frenetic play. interesting. nervous and panicky. I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 #1 is he didn't want it. You want to know why Allen got better every season and Darnold didn't? Allen would cut off a limb to win. Allen went into the offseason and said he was going to fix his long ball and he did it. Allen legit said he worked on improving his personality because it was something a coach told him was needed to be a great QB. He worked on his personality...how do you even do that? Darnold is tissue soft. He needed to work. All day, every day. He didn't. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, southtown24th said: Can you elaborate? In my opinion, which isn't worth a lot, he just never was able to process 2 things. 1. When the play was lost and to just take a sack/or throw away. He seemed to struggle with this more his first two seasons than this year, but is still an issue. He just always forced things when it was wise not to be. There was a quote from Belichick about his punt returner on today's telecast. He said he's aggressive not reckless. That's a fine line. Darnold us reckless. 2. He couldn't process what defenses were trying to do to him coverage-wise. I think this actually got worse over time. The 2nd pick today is a great example. He sees a certain coverage pre-snap and just completely stops processing what's going on and throws directly to someone that should have easily been identified. I never thought this was a huge issue last year, far more turnovers due to #1, but this year he just has no idea what's happening around him and where the ball should go as a result. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Bad decision making. He runs out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage, yet he sometimes throws the ball away on 3rd down when a sack is not the end of the world. Takes too many bad sacks. His inability to locate open receivers, or targeting the better option. He throws too many inexcusable interceptions. His interceptions are not from tipped passes. They are "who the hell were you throwing to?" interceptions. He almost NEVER pulls someone offsides with a hard count. Has he ever hard counted someone offsides? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, southtown24th said: oh and...COACHING, GM, OWNERSHIP, FRANCHISE, OL, WRs, RBs, etc. don't count. In HIS game and ONLY his game, what is the issue? vision/processing and mechanics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, southtown24th said: too many things you have to pick one. which one is it? I’d probably have to start w lack of confidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, southtown24th said: Another vote for: vision. 11 minutes ago, southtown24th said: another one for: vision of the field. 9 minutes ago, southtown24th said: OK: he has no confidence. one vote for confidence or lack thereof. 9 minutes ago, southtown24th said: another one for: vision. 8 minutes ago, southtown24th said: OK: one for "reading the defense" and responding accordingly. Good one. I feel like you should be keeping a poll for these responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said: #1 is he didn't want it. You want to know why Allen got better every season and Darnold didn't? Allen would cut off a limb to win. Allen went into the offseason and said he was going to fix his long ball and he did it. Allen legit said he worked on improving his personality because it was something a coach told him was needed to be a great QB. He worked on his personality...how do you even do that? Darnold is tissue soft. He needed to work. All day, every day. He didn't. I get this...I get it. But PROVE IT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin L Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The game is too fast for him. He can't process what he sees fast enough. He doesn't know where pressure is coming from. He stays in the pocket when he should run, and runs when he should stay. On top of all that, he throws some of the most mind boggling interceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, southtown24th said: maybe he is just dumb? like honestly? A dumb football player? Couldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Just now, slimjasi said: His ability to read the field and make good decisions under pressure is very poor for an NFL QB. My sense is that he lacks confidence. My wife has commented several times that he always looks nervous and I think that is very telling and jives with his panicky/frenetic play. Yeah I think it’s pretty obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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