rayzor Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: But, as you said, he had some very good numbers. But, then, under the Pederson tutelage without Reich, he mysteriously careens down. Coincidence? This is the man you want to lead our new young QB? As i mentioned in an earlier post, Pederson apparently made all the play calls. Reich just relayed them to the QB. Not even allowed to make changes. He said this was the same way he did it with Andy Reid. Which sheds some insight on how much Bieniemy does. He's a relayer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: I am still recovering from your comment that Pederson made Hurts look good. You have got to be some kind of moron! Djax is done, Ertz is done, who was the Eagles running back? Scott? they lost 4 of their starting olineman! 4! Even Kelce played hurt! That team had less talent than the Jets! Pederson was the coach, not the GM! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Hire Pederson, draft a couple good young players and then, go out there and show 'em we're not a bunch of horses' asses. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: He didn't "careen". Pederson saw what others didn't: Wentz blows and is not a leader. He's not my top choice, but yes, I'd be fine with Pederson working with a young QB. Donovan McNabb never threw for 4,000 yards under Reid. Who in their right mind would trust him to develop a QB? Oh, whoops... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 58 minutes ago, TheMo said: Damn it you sumbitch don’t you remember the deal we made with @Maxman? You’re supposed to disagree at all times with @Jetsfan80 and me. Then we argue to increase the post counts. Quick insult my south asian heritage before anyone notices! All these people not honoring their agreements. Thank you for being ethical. Not please post 8 times about ethics and let's see if we can turn that into a 200 post thing lol. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Teflon-Don Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: Two of the three things that Pederson had a problem with in Philly shouldn't be a problem here. 1. GM relationship with Roseman. Should be better with Douglas. 2. Cap anchored to a QB you want to get rid of. Fresh start and lots of options with Jets at QB. 3. Ownership - Obviously the power struggle didn't go Pederson's way as Lurie kept Roseman. Would Pederson view Jets ownership as any better though? Not sure. Good points, and Jalen Hurts looked awfully good with subpar weapons ?♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68JET11 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, The Troll said: People are comparing him to Gase not because they’ve had equal success, but because they both have reps as guys their own players dislike. I also read through this thread and have not once seen the name Frank Reich, which is surprising as a lot of people theorize that he was truly the mastermind behind the 2017 Eagles and the results since then would support that theory. Reich is 28-20 in Indianapolis while Pederson has a losing record without Reich. This is the only point in which I wouldn't consider him a top candidate, and needs light shed upon it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, jgb said: Losing your QB who is in the midst of an MVP-like year and completing the championship run with a backup is a whole lot more than randomness IMHO. It is the same exact thing to me as Eli and Flacco suddenly getting nuclear hot in the playoffs. It happens sometimes. They won 16 games in 2017 alone. They've won 23 since then. They scored 41 points in the Super Bowl. They scored 39 combined in three playoff games since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, The Troll said: It is the same exact thing to me as Eli and Flacco suddenly getting nuclear hot in the playoffs. It happens sometimes. They won 16 games in 2017 alone. They've won 23 since then. They scored 41 points in the Super Bowl. They scored 39 combined in three playoff games since then. What are "playoff games?" Haven't heard that term around here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post football guy Posted January 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2021 I do think it’s cool that Pederson stood his ground with his guys. Loyalty is hard to find 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, jgb said: What are "playoff games?" Haven't heard that term around here. Boy, have I got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fusionCA Posted January 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2021 Pedeeson beat Brady and Belichick at the height of the power in the super bowl , 3 years ago and people here want Marvin Lewis and Arthur Smith over this guy 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, The Troll said: Boy, have I got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. Well, Pederson is definitely going to be the favorite now. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, fusionCA said: Pedeeson beat Brady and Belichick at the height of the power in the super bowl , 3 years ago and people here want Marvin Lewis and Arthur Smith over this guy Jets will chase a 0.01% chance of someone being better than a known quantity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, 68JET11 said: I bet Pederson can convince Schwartz, and Press to come with him, and keep Schwartz from taking a sabbatical... And bring Big Dick Nick with him too as a backup and mentor for our new rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68JET11 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Chrebetfan80 said: no he is not, i would argue though that the set up of things would be very similar, and in which case would go against what they said they are looking for. Jets in response to gase offensive obsession and little to do with the whole team want a CEO type of coach. Pederson by all accounts was mostly involved in the offense while allowing Jim Schwartz full control over the defense. so while he is in no way at all Adam Gase as a coach, the setup of how he would run things would be very similar. Don't think Pederson was force fed Schwartz however... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, 68JET11 said: Don't think Pederson was force fed Schwartz however... he was not force fed him but still he wasn't exactly a CEO HC that is reported we're looking for, unless I am mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, The Troll said: You have to give Doug credit for developing Wentz, but absolve him of all blame for Wentz now being trash. You have to assign partial blame to Pederson, Wentz, and Roseman for this year's performance/record. I just happen to think that, of the 3, Pederson is easily the best at his job. That does not mean he automatically vaults to the top of my HC wishlist, nor should he immediately jump to the top of Douglas' wishlist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlightBoyz Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I'm totally on the fence with hiring Pederson. Seems like this message board is 50/50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, jgb said: Winning a SB with Nick Foles cures a whole lotta ills on a CV. But that was all Reich, not Pederson, supposedly. And around and around we go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Jet fans don't like Shiny things like Super Bowl Trophies. Rather do it the hard way with some more neophytes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jetster said: You have got to be some kind of moron! Djax is done, Ertz is done, who was the Eagles running back? Scott? they lost 4 of their starting olineman! 4! Even Kelce played hurt! That team had less talent than the Jets! Pederson was the coach, not the GM! You said "Pederson made Hurts look good". Tell me the numbers he displayed against the 2 playoff teams? The comment was nothing about personnel or anything else. Without calling someone a name, kindly demonstrate how. Or, just back off that comment if you can't support it. And I fully admit that Hurts is a young player thrown into a situation. But, you said Pederson made Hurts look good. Because, i did not see it. And, he got pulled from his last game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paradis Posted January 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, TheMo said: Exactly he’s been content to deal with the dude making idiotic decisions like reagor over Jefferson which I pretty sure @Paradis would have punched him in the face over. But the the guy who literally makes those kinds of calls thinks he knows what staffing calls to make. Notably he forced a change last year too and we see how that went for this year. The Jets fan base reaction to the possibility of Pederson coming here is a perfect case study in miseducation; the embodiment of giving an uneducated demographic a voice in the conversation they should never be in. upper management fcked it up. To put this year all on Pederson is beyond shortsighted. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: But that was all Reich, not Pederson, supposedly. And around and around we go. Results-based analysis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, Jetster said: Jet fans don't like Shiny things like Super Bowl Trophies. Rather do it the hard way with some more neophytes. Because there's a tiny chance that an unknown is a diamond in the rough! Chase the dream! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusionCA Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: But that was all Reich, not Pederson, supposedly. And around and around we go. how can people even say that after we saw THIS WEEKEND how awful Reich was with the Colts? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, The Troll said: Sometimes all the stars align and sh*t happens. We have a Super Bowl winning QB on our roster. Wentz put up MVP numbers and then Foles had a terrific postseason and SB win. But somehow, none of that credit goes to Pederson. It was all just luck and the starts aligning. OK. Nevermind that same team winning the division the next year, without Reich. Pederson is just lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, TheMo said: Exactly he’s been content to deal with the dude making idiotic decisions like reagor over Jefferson which I pretty sure @Paradis would have punched him in the face over. But the the guy who literally makes those kinds of calls thinks he knows what staffing calls to make. Notably he forced a change last year too and we see how that went for this year. And yes, I would have mailed him a dead cat. Only WR I would have considered over JJ would have been Jeudy. Reagor was like wayy behind Pittman, Claypool, etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: You said "Pederson made Hurts look good". Tell me the numbers he displayed against the 2 playoff teams? The comment was nothing about personnel or anything else. Without calling someone a name, kindly demonstrate how. Or, just back off that comment if you can't support it. And I fully admit that Hurts is a young player thrown into a situation. But, you said Pederson made Hurts look good. Because, i did not see it. And, he got pulled from his last game. Ok...he made Hurts look at least as good as Darnold. Better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: Wentz put up MVP numbers and then Foles had a terrific postseason and SB win. But somehow, none of that credit goes to Pederson. OK. Yes, conveniently that was under Reich. You seem to be waffling on the talent of Wentz here. Is Wentz good or not? or, is Wentz only good when you want to attribute his good years to Pederson, but absolve Pederson of his bad stats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Jetster said: Ok...he made Hurts look at least as good as Darnold. Better? Ok, as long as we agree that is not"pretty good". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, fusionCA said: how can people even say that after we saw THIS WEEKEND how awful Reich was with the Colts? Yea, Jet fans would have lost their collective minds with the way Reich coached that game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Pederson could do what Parcells did. Become respectable, and then some good assistant coaches want to come here, and then some good players suddenly think about coming here and then it snowballs like last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, The Troll said: It is the same exact thing to me as Eli and Flacco suddenly getting nuclear hot in the playoffs. It happens sometimes. They won 16 games in 2017 alone. They've won 23 since then. They scored 41 points in the Super Bowl. They scored 39 combined in three playoff games since then. Yet no one would argue Tom Coughlin and John Harbaugh didn't do a good job in those respective seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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