oatmeal Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 22 minutes ago, football guy said: We live in a world where it’s more likely that Jordan Love, Marcus Mariota, or Sam Darnold line up under center for Seattle for the 2021 season than Deshaun Watson getting traded Backing away from that Darnold will be here next year and y’all mad crap ?? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, prime21 said: Things will work out for Jamal. He made the playoffs and unless he franchised or traded, he can eventually hit free agency and pick a team to poison. I think he's in for a pretty big disappointment, money-wise, if the franchise tag at Safety was 10 mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: With no Russ next year (if it's true) I would guess that there's a pretty decent chance that our Seattle pick could turn into a top 5 pick. Could be very exciting. Over on the Seahawks forum, they have figured out that starting a rebuild now plays directly into the Jets' hands. To say they are not happy would be a gross understatement. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad2coles Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 33 minutes ago, Biggs said: I think moving on now is a great move for Seattle if they can get a deal that allows them to reload. They won't compete in the NFC West next year with Russ. Facing SF, LA and AZ with Jones and Watt, Russ might not survive the year. Russ was sacked 20 times in division games last year and 5 times in the playoffs against the Rams. SF gets Bosa back and AZ gets Jones back along with Watt. Russ is a dead man walking if he stays in the NFC west. The guy has been concussed multiple times, holds the ball forever as a key part of his game and looked out of it at the end of last year. They would be much worse without Wilson and don't have their draft pick for next year. Russel Wilson is still playing in his prime and they won 12 games last year. He has a ton of guaranteed money on his deal. Why wouldn't they compete in that division next year? They should be favored to win the division going into next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, chad2coles said: They would be much worse without Wilson and don't have their draft pick for next year. Russel Wilson is still playing in his prime and they won 12 games last year. He has a ton of guaranteed money on his deal. Why wouldn't they compete in that division next year? They should be favored to win the division going into next year. No. The Rams, with Stafford, are now heavily favored. SF in 2nd. SEA in third slightly behind SF. If they trade Wilson, I suspect they drop to a distant fourth. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 28 minutes ago, maury77 said: With the 3rd pick in the 2022 NFL draft, the New York Jets select .... And with the 25th (our own) pick the Jets select 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, chad2coles said: They would be much worse without Wilson and don't have their draft pick for next year. Russel Wilson is still playing in his prime and they won 12 games last year. He has a ton of guaranteed money on his deal. Why wouldn't they compete in that division next year? They should be favored to win the division going into next year. SF was without both Bosa and Garoppolo last year and they barely beat them twice. They split with AZ and LA. LA destroyed them in the playoffs and just upgraded their QB. SF won't be a wounded duck next year and AZ is going to be better. They could come in last with Russ next year. They will get something back in trade for Russ. It's not like they will be just tossing Russ without getting something back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted March 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2021 40 minutes ago, ToonforPrez said: Oh believe me if this comes to Fruition i will have nothing but LUVVVV for Jamal haha Me too. I will join the Twitter just to post “ you da man Prez!” Everyday during third breakfast. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad2coles Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, nycdan said: No. The Rams, with Stafford, are now heavily favored. SF in 2nd. SEA in third slightly behind SF. If they trade Wilson, I suspect they drop to a distant fourth. I don't disagree that they wouldn't have a shot if they trade Wilson, but that's not really part of the discussion. The question is whether or not now is a good time to rebuild, and since they don't have their own 1st round pick next year, the answer is no. The Rams will be better with Stafford, but the Seahawks won 12 games last year and are in pretty good cap position relative to the rest of the league. I don't see how you can favor the 49ers over the Seahawks with the questions they have all over their roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad2coles Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Biggs said: SF was without both Bosa and Garoppolo last year and they barely beat them twice. They split with AZ and LA. LA destroyed them in the playoffs and just upgraded their QB. SF won't be a wounded duck next year and AZ is going to be better. They could come in last with Russ next year. They will get something back in trade for Russ. It's not like they will be just tossing Russ without getting something back. They won 12 games last year, have the best QB in the division, and are in a good cap situation. The 49ers have questions all over their roster and Garoppolo has had 1 good year. Who plays in their secondary? LT? The Seahawks have never had a losing season with Wilson and will still have plenty talent around him if they keep him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, chad2coles said: I don't disagree that they wouldn't have a shot if they trade Wilson, but that's not really part of the discussion. The question is whether or not now is a good time to rebuild, and since they don't have their own 1st round pick next year, the answer is no. The Rams will be better with Stafford, but the Seahawks won 12 games last year and are in pretty good cap position relative to the rest of the league. I don't see how you can favor the 49ers over the Seahawks with the questions they have all over their roster. It's not me. It's Vegas. https://www.oddschecker.com/us/football/nfl/nfc-west/winner And while the Seahawks are literally directly in the middle of the league in terms of cap ($17M under) they are severely lacking in draft picks which puts them a step behind everyone else (thank you, Jamal), contributing to their lower odds. Also remember that SF had the most injuries in the league last year and should be getting their entire DL back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Dude Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 I would love if they got back what they traded away to get Jamal. Who here thinks Adams for Wilson is a good trade? Screw that guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 3 hours ago, sourceworx said: So in a year's time, Seattle gives up two first round picks for a box safety, then trades away their superstar QB. When did Mike Maccagnan join their front office? And they just gave their GM an extension. What a mess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 10 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Haha you suck Jamal. Sam Darnold to the Sea Hawks? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonforPrez Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 49 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Me too. I will join the Twitter just to post “ you da man Prez!” Everyday during third breakfast. I will be right behind you @The Crusher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 3 hours ago, section314 said: Two things I heard on NFL Network on Sirius about this. First, Charlie Weiss thought that Darnold to Seattle makes sense if Wilson traded. Said with what he’s done in Seattle, Carroll is there as long as he wants to be. Second, on Movin the Chains, Pat Kirwin asked his co host, Jim Miller, who does Bears radio, who is the best player on the Bears, because that’s where this will start. His answer, Roqwan Smith. lol. Net result: Jamal Adams and Sam Darnold for two 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd, plus another pick. Any other overrated/unwanted players you want from us Seattle? Give us all your picks! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Amazing that Seattle's Super Bowl odds are plummeting. Does Vegas not realize the impact Jamal Adams makes on games??? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post football guy Posted March 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, oatmeal said: Backing away from that Darnold will be here next year and y’all mad crap ?? I have maintained that its my belief that Darnold will be the QB for the NYJ next season. I've even put percentages on it. Hell I made a circle graph. Nothing has changed. I believe there's a 30% chance that he's traded and Zach Wilson is selected. Unless you're a 2+2=5 guy (likely based on the sensational takes, uninformed opinions, and vitriol posting habits), that would imply I believe there is a much greater that Darnold is back. The point is that Deshaun Watson is not getting traded, and with that there's a better chance Russell Wilson/Sam Darnold are traded. "More likely" does not mean "likely" either, you incompetent swine. Do me a favor and don't quote me, don't at me, don't even mention content I post. You're a skid mark in the underpants of society, and I have no desire for people like you to ruin the fun of football discussion on a message board right before free agency is set to begin. Good day. 3 1 2 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Biggs said: Watson to Seattle for Jamal Adams. Douglas gets bitch slapped. Bill O'Brien is no longer running Houston. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 2 hours ago, KRL said: I'm sure CHI's first round pick (#20) would be included in any Wilson deal. So I would want that in the Darnold to SEA deal. That would give us three #1's, Douglas would have the ability to dominate the draft. I still can't believe we're even talking about this Well they call it the silly season for a reason.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge4Tide Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Bill O'Brien is no longer running Houston. New Offensive Coordinator at Alabama, replacing Sarkesian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZachEY Posted March 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2021 Basically, what I've garnered from this thread is that Russel Wilson hasn't actually been traded and @oatmeal needs to change his Member Title to "A Skid Mark on the Underpants of Society" immediately. 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillyjet Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, football guy said: I have maintained that its my belief that Darnold will be the QB for the NYJ next season. I've even put percentages on it. Hell I made a circle graph. Nothing has changed. I believe there's a 30% chance that he's traded and Zach Wilson is selected. Unless you're a 2+2=5 guy (likely based on the sensational takes, uninformed opinions, and vitriol posting habits), that would imply I believe there is a much greater that Darnold is back. The point is that Deshaun Watson is not getting traded, and with that there's a better chance Russell Wilson/Sam Darnold are traded. "More likely" does not mean "likely" either, you incompetent swine. Do me a favor and don't quote me, don't at me, don't even mention content I post. You're a skid mark in the underpants of society, and I have no desire for people like you to ruin the fun of football discussion on a message board right before free agency is set to begin. Good day. The closer we get to draft, the more the 3 year new deal for Darnold makes sense. I think of 97 when Parcells got here. His first big signing was Mawae (think Linsley or Thuney), and he preferred a vet QB Testaverde, who was a relatively late bloomer, but had the skills and experience to help us hit reset. Taking a crapshoot rookie in year 1 of Saleh, particularly since none of them are a slam dunk and particularly since Wilson is a 1 year wonder, with a h/o shoulder injuries, a reputation for being a bit more Rosen in attitude and background, doesn't make a ton of sense. A strong o-line, a playmaker early in the draft, build around Darnold, and maybe a few more picks. And bring in a vet to challenge Darnold. That's what turns this around more quickly, and we can still hit reset at QB if it doesn't work. The probability that works in our favor is much greater than waiting for the growing pains of another rookie qb without playmakers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, BCJet said: The thing about the NFL right now is that Ryan Pace has literally no concern for the 2022 and 2023 drafts. Lets say Pace gives up 2021 1 and 2, 2022 first and Kahli Mack for wilson, one of 2 things happen. 1. Wilson is that good, and paired with Allen Robinson and a mid-level FA propels the Bears to a 11-12 win season and Pace is lauded in Chicago, possibly gets extended and then uses his mid round picks to try to keep a band aid on the team around wilson. 2. Wilson isnt able to get the team over the top, they stay at 7-9/8-8 and ownership uses Wilson to entice a new GM/HC combo and Pace certainly doesnt worry about Bears picks when he is ass director of college scouting somewhere. Pace should have been fired. You can't have a GM with short term thinking. That's exactly how Parcells F'd us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Phillyjet said: The closer we get to draft, the more the 3 year new deal for Darnold makes sense. I think of 97 when Parcells got here. His first big signing was Mawae (think Linsley or Thuney), and he preferred a vet QB Testaverde, who was a relatively late bloomer, but had the skills and experience to help us hit reset. Taking a crapshoot rookie in year 1 of Saleh, particularly since none of them are a slam dunk and particularly since Wilson is a 1 year wonder, with a h/o shoulder injuries, a reputation for being a bit more Rosen in attitude and background, doesn't make a ton of sense. A strong o-line, a playmaker early in the draft, build around Darnold, and maybe a few more picks. And bring in a vet to challenge Darnold. That's what turns this around more quickly, and we can still hit reset at QB if it doesn't work. The probability that works in our favor is much greater than waiting for the growing pains of another rookie qb without playmakers. Yes, let's model our approach to what worked in the NFL in the late 90s (and still only got us 1 deep playoff run even then). Crapshoot rookie QB's didn't make as much sense back then because they cost a lot more. QB's on rookie deals these days are a bargain, and you can "fail quickly" with them if needed. It's interesting you mention Rosen in the same post, because the Cardinals did exactly that with him and it worked out pretty well. Meanwhile, at this point, Darnold on a 3-year deal is a riskier proposition than a rookie. You can't get much riskier than the guy who was the league's worst QB for 3 straight seasons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Phillyjet said: The closer we get to draft, the more the 3 year new deal for Darnold makes sense. I think of 97 when Parcells got here. His first big signing was Mawae (think Linsley or Thuney), and he preferred a vet QB Testaverde, who was a relatively late bloomer, but had the skills and experience to help us hit reset. Taking a crapshoot rookie in year 1 of Saleh, particularly since none of them are a slam dunk and particularly since Wilson is a 1 year wonder, with a h/o shoulder injuries, a reputation for being a bit more Rosen in attitude and background, doesn't make a ton of sense. A strong o-line, a playmaker early in the draft, build around Darnold, and maybe a few more picks. And bring in a vet to challenge Darnold. That's what turns this around more quickly, and we can still hit reset at QB if it doesn't work. The probability that works in our favor is much greater than waiting for the growing pains of another rookie qb without playmakers. Rewarding Sam with a three year deal for being the 30th ranked QB is a fire-able offense for JD. Let Sam prove himself before we extend him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 28 minutes ago, football guy said: You're a skid mark in the underpants of society LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, dcJet said: Rewarding Sam with a three year deal for being the 30th ranked QB is a fire-able offense for JD. Let Sam prove himself before we extend him. No one is giving Sam a 3 year deal right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 30 minutes ago, football guy said: Hell I made a circle graph lmao yeah you sure did 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, Phillyjet said: The closer we get to draft, the more the 3 year new deal for Darnold makes sense. I think of 97 when Parcells got here. His first big signing was Mawae (think Linsley or Thuney), and he preferred a vet QB Testaverde, who was a relatively late bloomer, but had the skills and experience to help us hit reset. Taking a crapshoot rookie in year 1 of Saleh, particularly since none of them are a slam dunk and particularly since Wilson is a 1 year wonder, with a h/o shoulder injuries, a reputation for being a bit more Rosen in attitude and background, doesn't make a ton of sense. A strong o-line, a playmaker early in the draft, build around Darnold, and maybe a few more picks. And bring in a vet to challenge Darnold. That's what turns this around more quickly, and we can still hit reset at QB if it doesn't work. The probability that works in our favor is much greater than waiting for the growing pains of another rookie qb without playmakers. You're missing the fact that a rookie QB would be on a cheap contract for the next 4 years and wouldn't have 3 years of questionable to outright bad NFL tape on his resume. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 41 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: And they just gave their GM an extension. What a mess. Total schizoid management. Build a SB team with some of the best drafting in NFL history. Sign a QB for huge money and dump out of draft picks for years. Dump QB in his prime for more draft picks. They own it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TokyoJetsFan Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 4 hours ago, sourceworx said: So in a year's time, Seattle gives up two first round picks for a box safety, then trades away their superstar QB. When did Mike Maccagnan join their front office? And all the Seattle fans were saying it didn’t matter giving up the first round picks because Seattle sucked at picking first rounders anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, dcJet said: Rewarding Sam with a three year deal for being the 30th ranked QB is a fire-able offense for JD. Let Sam prove himself before we extend him. Yep. Would be shades of Tannenbaum giving Sanchez an extension as makeup sex for flirting with Peyton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Pete still thinks defense wins championships. Watch him trade Wilson for Mack and Hicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, football guy said: I have maintained that its my belief that Darnold will be the QB for the NYJ next season. I've even put percentages on it. Hell I made a circle graph. Nothing has changed. I believe there's a 30% chance that he's traded and Zach Wilson is selected. Unless you're a 2+2=5 guy (likely based on the sensational takes, uninformed opinions, and vitriol posting habits), that would imply I believe there is a much greater that Darnold is back. The point is that Deshaun Watson is not getting traded, and with that there's a better chance Russell Wilson/Sam Darnold are traded. "More likely" does not mean "likely" either, you incompetent swine. Do me a favor and don't quote me, don't at me, don't even mention content I post. You're a skid mark in the underpants of society, and I have no desire for people like you to ruin the fun of football discussion on a message board right before free agency is set to begin. Good day. ignore him, he is a moron. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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