Popular Post rayzor Posted May 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2021 NY Jets: The drama, strategy, and inside story behind the Elijah Moore pick By Mike Mitchell May 10, 2021, 5:15 PM EDT Elijah Moore, NY Jets | Wesley Hitt/Getty Images The dust has settled on the NY Jets' 2021 NFL Draft, and a picture of the team's strategy heading in has become crystal clear. Of all the players the franchise drafted last month, the one player they felt most fortunate in selecting was Ole Miss wide receiver Elijah Moore. And it almost didn't happen. Months before the draft took place, Jets general manager Joe Douglas, the team's scouting department, and coaching staff knew that they would be selecting Zach Wilson at No. 2 to take the reigns as their new franchise quarterback. For newly-minted offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur, passing game specialist Greg Knapp, quarterbacks coach Rob Calabrese, and the entire Jets offensive staff, it was love at first sight. Throughout the process, the team fell in love with Wilson as a player and as a person. Barring any last-second hiccups or a curveball by Jacksonville at No. 1, Zach Wilson was the team's choice for months. He would be the Jets' pick at two even if Sam Darnold remained on the roster. A scenario that Douglas and his staff entertained, but thanks to Carolina, it's one that ultimately the Jets didn't have to put to the test. Once the Jets decided to move forward and draft Wilson second overall, the team's strategy for the rest of their draft took shape. The NY Jets planned to build around Zach Wilson, and that plan included Elijah Moore The ultimate goal was for the franchise to build around their new quarterback, and heading into the draft, one of the top targets they wanted at 23, USC offensive lineman Alijah Vera-Tucker, was seemingly out of their reach. So Joe Douglas, days before the draft, sent out feelers to all the teams selecting in the 12-18 range of the first round. The feeling was that Vera-Tucker, a player the Jets had rated in the top-10 on their overall draft board, would be selected in that area. And with that knowledge, Douglas and the Jets were ready to make a move. Provided that the price to move up wouldn't be a costly one. Things got a bit complicated on draft day for the Jets when the Philadelphia Eagles moved up two spots in Round 1 and gave up a third-round pick to Dallas to go from 12 to 10. Then to add to the drama, the Chicago Bears leaped nine spots from 20 to 11, sending the New York Giants a future first-round pick, a fourth, and a fifth rounder. The value to move up from 23 into the teens went up on draft day and could have derailed a trade. Still, as it turned out, it ultimately didn't hinder the Jets, as they found a trade partner in the Minnesota Vikings, who were willing to slide down to 23 and give up a fourth-rounder in exchange for both of the Jets' third-round selections. The value was too good for the Jets to pass up, and they ended up drafting Alijah Vera-Tucker at 14. A player that the Jets believe will be a foundation piece for years to come. The truth is that if the Jets had stayed at 23, New York was prepared to deal with the reality of losing out on Vera-Tucker and standing pat to make another selection. And the player that they were all set to take at 23 was wide receiver Elijah Moore. During the draft process, the Jets' scouts were extremely high on Moore as a prospect. And it didn't take long for everyone else on the Jets to come on board in seeing Moore's value. The front office and coaching staff identified Moore as a dynamic playmaker that the team lacked. And Moore's route running, knowledge of defensive coverages, elite speed, and ability after the catch were seen as perfect fits for the Jets' new offense. The fact that Moore dominated in the SEC didn't hurt his cause, but his all-around game is what ranked him so high on the Jets draft board. The concession that the Jets made by trading up with Minnesota was that they would be conceding the possibility of drafting Moore. New York was faced with what they thought at the time was an either-or situation, and they never imagined that they would end up with both Vera-Tucker and Moore when they pulled the trigger on their trade. But that's precisely what ended up happening. Leading into the draft, several areas of the team appeared to be clear-cut needs with their early selections, but the receiver position didn't seem to be a top priority. Especially with Corey Davis, Denzel Mims, Jamison Crowder, and Keelan Cole penciled in as the Jets' top four pass-catchers. The need wasn't as glaring for the Jets at wide receiver as other positions on the roster. The fact that the Jets planned on taking Elijah Moore at 23, despite all of this, tells you all you need to know about how much they valued him. But these are not the only indicators of how much the Jets' wanted Elijah Moore. Consider this when the Jets made to move to 14 to select Alijah Vera-Tucker. Once the draft got into the 20s and Elijah Moore was still available, the team started to monitor his slide closely. So much so that a trade back into Round 1 to get Moore was discussed in the Jets draft room. The problem was that, with no third-round picks as ammunition, the Jets would've had a hard time moving from 34 to select Moore. So they had to cross their fingers and wait it out. Moore's fall was too good to be true, and the Jets were powerless to do anything about it. That's until the first round of the draft ended, and Moore was still on the board, and in the time between Day 1 and 2 of the draft, the NY Jets were still fearful that he wouldn't make it to their selection at 34. So much so that the Jets were afraid that word would get out that they wanted Elijah Moore and that a team would leapfrog ahead of them at 33 to select him. That's if Jacksonville didn't draft Moore themselves to kick off Round 2. Although the wait to see if they would get Elijah Moore was only a day for the Jets, it must've seemed like an eternity. And in the time between, several teams called Joe Douglas about moving up to 34 in the draft. The Jets received several enticing offers to move down, but they were steadfast in not moving and taking Eliah Moore. Teams figured that the Jets would be apt to trade down because they had no picks in Round 3 by virtue of the Vikings deal, but Gang Green was committed to selecting Elijah Moore no matter what. There was a genuine fear by the Jets that some team would steal Moore away if the secret got out. The Jets were so secretive about their strong interest in Elijah Moore that even the player himself wasn't aware of how highly coveted he was by them. Not until the Jets made the call and spoke with Moore after making the selection official did he realize how relieved they were to have drafted him. And how close it came to not happening. As Robert Saleh told his new receiver, Elijah Moore, on the phone when they selected him. "We thought we lost you when we moved up." Joe Douglas echoed his coach's sentiments by telling Moore the same thing. So according to this article, the Jets didn't consider Jenkins or Darrisaw at 23??? I thought that might have been a dream scenario personally, to get one of them plus have the 2 3's. 14 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Patriot Killa Posted May 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, rayzor said: The fact that the Jets planned on taking Elijah Moore at 23, despite all of this, tells you all you need to know about how much they valued him. I said this same thing on draft night & you see exactly why. I’m from Mississippi, I’ve had friends play on the team with Moore at Ole Miss, nobody would shut up about this guy. I decided to watch for myself a few months before the draft and just to see his route running and his technique, all of it is so smooth and advanced. It looks like he’s been working on the important things his whole life.. you add that to his character and work ethic. This is a home run pick in the 2nd round, much less, #23 overall. He’s the perfect security blanket out of the slot for Wilson. The name of the game changes for WR’s once you get in the league. It’s all about if you can get separation from NFL DB’s at a consistent enough rate. It feels like everything he’s worked on and gotten so good at happens to be what you need to succeed at this level. 17 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: I said this same thing on draft night & you see exactly why. I’m from Mississippi, I’ve had friends play on the team with Moore at Ole Miss, nobody would shut up about this guy. I decided to watch for myself a few months before the draft and just to see his route running and his technique, all of it is so smooth and advanced. It looks like he’s been working on the important things his whole life.. you add that to his character and work ethic. This is a home run pick in the 2nd round, much less, #23 overall. He’s the perfect security blanket out of the slot for Wilson. The name of the game changes for WR’s once you get in the league. It’s all about if you can get separation from NFL DB’s at a consistent enough rate. It feels like everything he’s worked on and gotten so good at happens to be what you need to succeed at this level. Hope you can shed some light on this for me. The last 4-5 years, Ole Miss has put some excellent WR's and TE's into the league, yet nothing is really said about their Qb's. You would think somebody would take a flier on them. no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted May 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2021 Crap. I might have to change my name again... 2 2 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 This is the pick that got me excited because 1) WRs are exciting and 2) tells me we are all in on building a legit offense Good stuff. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dcat Posted May 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2021 16 minutes ago, rayzor said: NY Jets: The drama, strategy, and inside story behind the Elijah Moore pick By Mike Mitchell May 10, 2021, 5:15 PM EDT Elijah Moore, NY Jets | Wesley Hitt/Getty Images The dust has settled on the NY Jets' 2021 NFL Draft, and a picture of the team's strategy heading in has become crystal clear. Of all the players the franchise drafted last month, the one player they felt most fortunate in selecting was Ole Miss wide receiver Elijah Moore. And it almost didn't happen. Months before the draft took place, Jets general manager Joe Douglas, the team's scouting department, and coaching staff knew that they would be selecting Zach Wilson at No. 2 to take the reigns as their new franchise quarterback. For newly-minted offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur, passing game specialist Greg Knapp, quarterbacks coach Rob Calabrese, and the entire Jets offensive staff, it was love at first sight. Throughout the process, the team fell in love with Wilson as a player and as a person. Barring any last-second hiccups or a curveball by Jacksonville at No. 1, Zach Wilson was the team's choice for months. He would be the Jets' pick at two even if Sam Darnold remained on the roster. A scenario that Douglas and his staff entertained, but thanks to Carolina, it's one that ultimately the Jets didn't have to put to the test. Once the Jets decided to move forward and draft Wilson second overall, the team's strategy for the rest of their draft took shape. The NY Jets planned to build around Zach Wilson, and that plan included Elijah Moore The ultimate goal was for the franchise to build around their new quarterback, and heading into the draft, one of the top targets they wanted at 23, USC offensive lineman Alijah Vera-Tucker, was seemingly out of their reach. So Joe Douglas, days before the draft, sent out feelers to all the teams selecting in the 12-18 range of the first round. The feeling was that Vera-Tucker, a player the Jets had rated in the top-10 on their overall draft board, would be selected in that area. And with that knowledge, Douglas and the Jets were ready to make a move. Provided that the price to move up wouldn't be a costly one. Things got a bit complicated on draft day for the Jets when the Philadelphia Eagles moved up two spots in Round 1 and gave up a third-round pick to Dallas to go from 12 to 10. Then to add to the drama, the Chicago Bears leaped nine spots from 20 to 11, sending the New York Giants a future first-round pick, a fourth, and a fifth rounder. The value to move up from 23 into the teens went up on draft day and could have derailed a trade. Still, as it turned out, it ultimately didn't hinder the Jets, as they found a trade partner in the Minnesota Vikings, who were willing to slide down to 23 and give up a fourth-rounder in exchange for both of the Jets' third-round selections. The value was too good for the Jets to pass up, and they ended up drafting Alijah Vera-Tucker at 14. A player that the Jets believe will be a foundation piece for years to come. The truth is that if the Jets had stayed at 23, New York was prepared to deal with the reality of losing out on Vera-Tucker and standing pat to make another selection. And the player that they were all set to take at 23 was wide receiver Elijah Moore. During the draft process, the Jets' scouts were extremely high on Moore as a prospect. And it didn't take long for everyone else on the Jets to come on board in seeing Moore's value. The front office and coaching staff identified Moore as a dynamic playmaker that the team lacked. And Moore's route running, knowledge of defensive coverages, elite speed, and ability after the catch were seen as perfect fits for the Jets' new offense. The fact that Moore dominated in the SEC didn't hurt his cause, but his all-around game is what ranked him so high on the Jets draft board. The concession that the Jets made by trading up with Minnesota was that they would be conceding the possibility of drafting Moore. New York was faced with what they thought at the time was an either-or situation, and they never imagined that they would end up with both Vera-Tucker and Moore when they pulled the trigger on their trade. But that's precisely what ended up happening. Leading into the draft, several areas of the team appeared to be clear-cut needs with their early selections, but the receiver position didn't seem to be a top priority. Especially with Corey Davis, Denzel Mims, Jamison Crowder, and Keelan Cole penciled in as the Jets' top four pass-catchers. The need wasn't as glaring for the Jets at wide receiver as other positions on the roster. The fact that the Jets planned on taking Elijah Moore at 23, despite all of this, tells you all you need to know about how much they valued him. But these are not the only indicators of how much the Jets' wanted Elijah Moore. Consider this when the Jets made to move to 14 to select Alijah Vera-Tucker. Once the draft got into the 20s and Elijah Moore was still available, the team started to monitor his slide closely. So much so that a trade back into Round 1 to get Moore was discussed in the Jets draft room. The problem was that, with no third-round picks as ammunition, the Jets would've had a hard time moving from 34 to select Moore. So they had to cross their fingers and wait it out. Moore's fall was too good to be true, and the Jets were powerless to do anything about it. That's until the first round of the draft ended, and Moore was still on the board, and in the time between Day 1 and 2 of the draft, the NY Jets were still fearful that he wouldn't make it to their selection at 34. So much so that the Jets were afraid that word would get out that they wanted Elijah Moore and that a team would leapfrog ahead of them at 33 to select him. That's if Jacksonville didn't draft Moore themselves to kick off Round 2. Although the wait to see if they would get Elijah Moore was only a day for the Jets, it must've seemed like an eternity. And in the time between, several teams called Joe Douglas about moving up to 34 in the draft. The Jets received several enticing offers to move down, but they were steadfast in not moving and taking Eliah Moore. Teams figured that the Jets would be apt to trade down because they had no picks in Round 3 by virtue of the Vikings deal, but Gang Green was committed to selecting Elijah Moore no matter what. There was a genuine fear by the Jets that some team would steal Moore away if the secret got out. The Jets were so secretive about their strong interest in Elijah Moore that even the player himself wasn't aware of how highly coveted he was by them. Not until the Jets made the call and spoke with Moore after making the selection official did he realize how relieved they were to have drafted him. And how close it came to not happening. As Robert Saleh told his new receiver, Elijah Moore, on the phone when they selected him. "We thought we lost you when we moved up." Joe Douglas echoed his coach's sentiments by telling Moore the same thing. So according to this article, the Jets didn't consider Jenkins or Darrisaw at 23??? I thought that might have been a dream scenario personally, to get one of them plus have the 2 3's. awesome read! Quote The Jets were so secretive about their strong interest in Elijah Moore that even the player himself wasn't aware of how highly coveted he was by them. Joe D regime (sans Gase): No leaks Now remember when Rex promised Quinton Coples (in front of others at the Combine I think) that if he were there at 16, he would be the pick? Oy-vey. Had it been a decent player, other teams would have tried to jump above. But it was Coples. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: Crap. I might have to change my name again... How much does Max charge each time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 The fact that he would've been the pick at 23 is pretty damn amazing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: Crap. I might have to change my name again... I thought you were going WilsontoMoore47 before you changed it from Samtorobby 10 minutes ago, section314 said: Hope you can shed some light on this for me. The last 4-5 years, Ole Miss has put some excellent WR's and TE's into the league, yet nothing is really said about their Qb's. You would think somebody would take a flier on them. no? Just a guess on my part but it feels like the system Ole Miss runs really gets the best out of the pass catchers who have YAC ability and the QB just never seems to be up to par in regards to his own positional talent. Lot of QB’s coming out of Ole Miss just don’t have much about them that makes you want to take him and see if they perform at the next level. Hugh Freeze was the coach during one of my high school classmates 4 years at Ole Miss and it just seemed like such a disconnect between the offensive players and their coach. The QB’s (Chad Kelly in particular) was never that talented but he was also never held accountable. He never developed properly. I just don’t think they have the intentions of recruiting and demanding excellence from their passers. I really wish my buddy would of taken the offer to Florida State. They wanted him to start right away. Instead he wasted his collegian career buried on the WR depth chart under Freeze. I do believe Matt Corral is different though. Corral might be the first real deal QB that Ole Miss has had in a while. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shockwave Posted May 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2021 At times there is fluff. Those of us here on Draft Day are aware there was a poster here that claimed the Jets were trying to move back into the first for Elijah Moore on the first day. Thats how much they liked him. So this is real stuff. Again - This is why you can't judge AVT in a vacuum. Elijah Moore would have been the pick at 23 and Michael Carter would have been selected by us in the 3rd round by all reports by the FO. This draft could have been: Wilson, Moore 1.23, Jenkins 2.2, Michael Carter 3.2, Ronnie Perkins 3.23. Echols etc. Instead it was Wlson, AVT, Moore, Michael Carter. It worked out really well. 11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joe W. Namath Posted May 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2021 We are so lucky that Joe Douglas decided to come to the Jets. How we got Zach Wilson, AVT, Elijah moore and Michael Carter is unreal. The nfl should open an investigation to see how this happened. Thank you joe Douglas. Thank you!! 10 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnnyLV Posted May 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2021 41 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: We are so lucky that Joe Douglas decided to come to the Jets. How we got Zach Wilson, AVT, Elijah moore and Michael Carter is unreal. The nfl should open an investigation to see how this happened. Thank you joe Douglas. Thank you!! Its sort of unreal. I think it is the best 1st 4 picks ever in Jets history. Not only are they great individually but each one makes the other picks better. Also 4 likely Day 1 starters 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HawkeyeJet Posted May 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2021 I find it a bit odd/interesting that Douglas basically had a draft that most all Jets fans have been screaming to have for nearly 20 years, but gets quite a bit of flack about how he went about. Douglas appears to have nabbed solid OL and offensive playmakers early and lots of folks don't like he traded to do it or didn't trade back down or thought player X would have been available later or better etc. 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamathToCaster Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 49 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: We are so lucky that Joe Douglas decided to come to the Jets. How we got Zach Wilson, AVT, Elijah moore and Michael Carter is unreal. The nfl should open an investigation to see how this happened. Thank you joe Douglas. Thank you!! You are really going to be happy with Michael Carter at RB. I am an NC State guy but UNC's Michael Carter is an absolute beast and ran with power. I am very excited about this pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 59 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: I thought you were going WilsontoMoore47 before you changed it from Samtorobby Moore will be a stud but I'm full go on the Mims train. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Zachtomims47 said: Moore will be a stud but I'm full go on the Mims train. Mims is going to lead this team in receiving. Kid is going to be an absolute monster with a real qb throwing him the ball. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I find it a bit odd/interesting that Douglas basically had a draft that most all Jets fans have been screaming to have for nearly 20 years, but gets quite a bit of flack about how he went about. Douglas appears to have nabbed solid OL and offensive playmakers early and lots of folks don't like he traded to do it or didn't trade back down or thought player X would have been available later or better etc. These are the same people who would have complained about this... now just imagine the uproar if Vera-Tucker was from a small school & had been given a 6th rd grade by some well respected scouts... "A small school player, some well-respected scouts were giving Rice a sixth-round grade. Regardless, Walsh knew all of those above-mentioned receivers, including Rice would be gone by the time the 49ers were on the clock with the 28th pick. The pool of wide receiver choices shrunk with the 10th pick when the New York Jets selected Toon. There was also another problem: there were reports that the Dallas Cowboys were eyeing Rice with the 17th overall pick. With Brown and Rice available, the 49ers engineered a trade with the New England Patriots. The 49ers got the 16th overall and third rounder (75). The Patriots got a haul with the 28th overall selection, a second rounder (56) and a third rounder (84)." I personally wouldn't call what the patsies got "a haul" but JD was dealing with 2 teams that had already traded ahead of him setting the price to move up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Mims is going to lead this team in receiving. Kid is going to be an absolute monster with a real qb throwing him the ball. Thank you Joe Douglas!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bitonti Posted May 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, johnnysd said: Its sort of unreal. I think it is the best 1st 4 picks ever in Jets history. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, section314 said: Hope you can shed some light on this for me. The last 4-5 years, Ole Miss has put some excellent WR's and TE's into the league, yet nothing is really said about their Qb's. You would think somebody would take a flier on them. no? BLUF, QBs have been average to good for College but don't really have the tools for the Pro Game. Also the Offensive systems have kept changing. As an Ole Miss fan, I can answer this one. Starting back with WR laquon Treadwell. during that time, the QB didn't have the tools to make it in the NFL and also got hurt alot towards the end of his College career (Bo Wallace). Next up was Chad Kelly, he has the tools for the NFL, but his off the field problems are what is causing that issue. Next QB was a year of Shay Patterson who although highly recruited in HS never got better. He only spent a year at Ole Miss before transferring to Michigan due to NCAA trouble with Ole Miss and also because he was beat out by Jordan Ta'amu. At this time Ole Miss also hired Phil Longa as the OC. His system was the absolute worst. Jordan T. has the skills to be a backup QB and nothing more. Think about this, Ole Miss had WRs AJ Brown, DK metcalf, Elijah Moore (freshman), and Dawson Knox TE in 2018 but couldn't score. They would march up and down the field between the 20's and then get shut down in the redzone. After Phil Longo left, Ole Miss had one year with Rich rodriquez as OC and used John Rice Plumlee as QB over Matt Corral because he is still running the same offense system as when he was at West Virginia with Pat White. Now in comes Lane Kiffin. they were really good on Offense last year with Matt Corral, but MC has a bit of Darnold in him and had some really bad games with multiple interceptions. We will see how MC does this coming year. BLUF 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, bitonti said: I mean, in Jets drafting history, it's not that hard to accomplish actually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Zachtomims47 said: I mean, in Jets drafting history, it's not that hard to accomplish actually. Better than Abe, Ellis becht and Chadwick? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungaman Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, Beaver said: Think about this, Ole Miss had WRs AJ Brown, DK metcalf, Elijah Moore (freshman), and Dawson Knox TE in 2018 but couldn't score. This sentence floored me. Like the old joke(s) about the guy with a hundred dollar bill taped to his forehead in in a Vegas cathouse who can't get any action ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: Better than Abe, Ellis becht and Chadwick? No but kinda unfair considering that's 4 first round picks. Outside of that, there's nothing. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisfaceoff Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 36 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I find it a bit odd/interesting that Douglas basically had a draft that most all Jets fans have been screaming to have for nearly 20 years, but gets quite a bit of flack about how he went about. Douglas appears to have nabbed solid OL and offensive playmakers early and lots of folks don't like he traded to do it or didn't trade back down or thought player X would have been available later or better etc. That’s because it doesn’t fit the narrative so many have used for years in their reporting of this team. Rather than trying to adapt to new journalism techniques, it’s easier to keep trying to go to the same well. and for those that do it, the continue to look more and more foolish with each tweet or article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: No but kinda unfair considering that's 4 first round picks. Outside of that, there's nothing. Coles was their 3rd Rd pick in that draft as well Considering none of the rookies have played yet, let's wait and see 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClashFan Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 I'm not sure that that'll be the best top 4 picks in Jets history. The year that the Jets took both D'Brick and Mangold in the first round was pretty great. The next two picks were not good (Kellen Clemens in the 2nd stunk and Brad Smith in the 4th was useful for awhile), but those first two guys were studs for many years. Still, those first four picks this year do look very promising. It will all probably depend on how Wilson turns out. My only minor gripe with the draft was not selecting another OL in the middle rounds (4-6). Just one more guy to add quality depth and possibly develop into a starter in a year or two. But, whatever, maybe one of the UDFAs will be a gem, or maybe a decent young OL guy gets claimed in training camp/preseason. Edit, just checked, the Jets took Schlegel in the 3rd round, so he was the 4th pick, not Brad Smith. Awful pick/reach even at the time, and a total bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted May 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2021 58 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I find it a bit odd/interesting that Douglas basically had a draft that most all Jets fans have been screaming to have for nearly 20 years, but gets quite a bit of flack about how he went about. Douglas appears to have nabbed solid OL and offensive playmakers early and lots of folks don't like he traded to do it or didn't trade back down or thought player X would have been available later or better etc. Is any decision ever universally accepted? People are going to disagree no matter what happens. People get a little too worked up around here about simply, disagreeing. That said, from my perspective what I've seen is an overwhelming majority of fans are excited about the draft, mainly because of the approach. Many of who maybe didnt prefer Wilson, are still excited about the future simply because this is such a refreshing approach. A GM in full control, with his hand picked HC who actually reports to him and they drafted a young QB and immediately surrounded with him talent with the Johnson's seemingly out of the way? It's a pinch me moment if you're a Jets fan. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 I said during the draft that this was my favorite Jets pick in years. I loved watching this guy on Saturdays and thought there was a chance he would even be picked before 23 (saw him mocked to the Bears at 20, I believe). Let's see what he can do in this offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Shockwave said: At times there is fluff. Those of us here on Draft Day are aware there was a poster here that claimed the Jets were trying to move back into the first for Elijah Moore on the first day. Thats how much they liked him. So this is real stuff. Again - This is why you can't judge AVT in a vacuum. Elijah Moore would have been the pick at 23 and Michael Carter would have been selected by us in the 3rd round by all reports by the FO. This draft could have been: Wilson, Moore 1.23, Jenkins 2.2, Michael Carter 3.2, Ronnie Perkins 3.23. Echols etc. Instead it was Wlson, AVT, Moore, Michael Carter. It worked out really well. I have to say that I don't believe for a second that Joe Douglas would've taken Michael Carter at #66. I don't care if he said that that's what he would've done. That's GM smoke-blowing (we got such amazing value at #107!). I do believe they liked Moore that much to take him at #23, though. I think that third round would've been another OL and a TE/FB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 It’s cool that they got the guys they wanted. 3rd and 5 won’t seem like a Hail Mary anymore lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said: We are so lucky that Joe Douglas decided to come to the Jets. How we got Zach Wilson, AVT, Elijah moore and Michael Carter is unreal. The nfl should open an investigation to see how this happened. Thank you joe Douglas. Thank you!! I’m still struggling and adjusting to us having offensive players that could start on another NFL team. Weird, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, johnnysd said: Its sort of unreal. I think it is the best 1st 4 picks ever in Jets history. Not only are they great individually but each one makes the other picks better. Also 4 likely Day 1 starters Which one of you guys is gonna eat the cookie? Jesus can these guys play a snap first. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Dcat said: awesome read! Joe D regime (sans Gase): No leaks Now remember when Rex promised Quinton Coples (in front of others at the Combine I think) that if he were there at 16, he would be the pick? Oy-vey. Had it been a decent player, other teams would have tried to jump above. But it was Coples. I am so sick of this bullsh*t story. Rex was always spouting his mouth. He was also always full of sh*t. There were plenty of reports that the Jets wanted Irvin and only ended up with Coples because the Seahawks took Irvin the pick prior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 46 minutes ago, bitonti said: Better than Abe, Ellis becht and Chadwick? Certainly hope so. Jeeesh 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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