Kurt Warner is off his rocker

[AFJF]

Dude thinks you need more than five games to tell if a QB is legit or not.

Okay, Boomer.

 

 

[Uncle Nicco]

I think 5 games is enough to see if a guy has special talent or not. Wilson’s raw ability jumps off the screen. Tuas, for example,  does not. 

[RutgersJetFan]

[ZachEY]

What’s amazing is that no one learns…

There’s still more options after 5 games than “great” and “worst in the league bad.”  There was when Darnold was the QB and there is now too.

[AFJF]

1 minute ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Ugh.  They did that show so wrong in the final season.  Should've been an all-time great.  Instead it was a big pile of WTF.

[usanyj]

13 minutes ago, Pichula said:

I think 5 games is enough to see if a guy has special talent or not. Wilson’s raw ability jumps off the screen. Tuas, for example,  does not. 

This I absolutely agree with. Has Wilson frustrated me? Sure, beyond belief. But there have been some insane flashes, some throws that I’ve never seen a Jets qb make that gives me hope.

[Jets Things]

26 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Ugh.  They did that show so wrong in the final season.  Should've been an all-time great.  Instead it was a big pile of WTF.

*Final three seasons

[Uncle Nicco]

18 minutes ago, usanyj said:

This I absolutely agree with. Has Wilson frustrated me? Sure, beyond belief. But there have been some insane flashes, some throws that I’ve never seen a Jets qb make that gives me hope.

Wilson has had more “flashes” in 5 games than Darnold did in 4 years. 

[TokyoJetsFan]

6 minutes ago, Pichula said:

Wilson has had more “flashes” in 5 games than Darnold did in 4 years. 

Darnold had some insane throws as well. They were just to the other team.

[More Cowbell]

31 minutes ago, usanyj said:

This I absolutely agree with. Has Wilson frustrated me? Sure, beyond belief. But there have been some insane flashes, some throws that I’ve never seen a Jets qb make that gives me hope.

Oh for crying out loud. You have never seen a Jets QB throw a deep accurate pass. Really? Are you 10 years old or something? 

[Nixhead]

Wilson needs to master the short game - if he does that he can always come back to it when his long game isn't working. 

[tfine]

He is right. In the millennial age of instant gratification, if your not playing like a vet by week 5 your a bust..specially in a big market like NY…and I get it…but if the Giants can give Daniel Jones 3 years. We can give Zach more the 5 games…..


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[Green Ghost]

48 minutes ago, usanyj said:

This I absolutely agree with. Has Wilson frustrated me? Sure, beyond belief. But there have been some insane flashes, some throws that I’ve never seen a Jets qb make that gives me hope.

Seriously? Again with the flashes? ?

[Green Ghost]

16 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Oh for crying out loud. You have never seen a Jets QB throw a deep accurate pass. Really? Are you 10 years old or something? 

Thank you. I thought it was just me.

[Gastineau Lives]

32 minutes ago, TokyoJetsFan said:

Darnold had some insane throws as well. They were just to the other team.

...and actually insane.

[kdels62]

This guy?

[T0mShane]

3 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

Seriously? Again with the flashes? ?

[Biggs]

Kurt Warner was all pro in his first year starting.  First start 302 3TD's 2 INT's.  He improved in his second start  3TD's O Int's.  In his third start he had a 158 QBR with over 300 yards 3 TD's 0 Int's.   He threw a pick in his 4th start but he did throw 5 TD's.    He's 5th start was a stinker he only threw 1 TD 0 INT's.   

Kurt Warner had one of the greatest years a QB can have in his first year as a starter.   He was the league MVP.    But yes I agree with him you can't tell anything after 5 starts.  

[Jackie Treehorn]

8 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Kurt Warner was all pro in his first year starting.  First start 302 3TD's 2 INT's.  He improved in his second start  3TD's O Int's.  In his third start he had a 158 QBR with over 300 yards 3 TD's 0 Int's.   He threw a pick in his 4th start but he did throw 5 TD's.    He's 5th start was a stinker he only threw 1 TD 0 INT's.   

Kurt Warner had one of the greatest years a QB can have in his first year as a starter.   He was the league MVP.    But yes I agree with him you can't tell anything after 5 starts.  

Well so much for that then…

[JustInFudge]

- Flashes of greatness

- Peyton Manning rookie INT record

- Troy Aikman

- Only a handful of QB's can do

- Coaching, system, weapons, 

- Be patient 

 

[section314]

12 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Kurt Warner was all pro in his first year starting.  First start 302 3TD's 2 INT's.  He improved in his second start  3TD's O Int's.  In his third start he had a 158 QBR with over 300 yards 3 TD's 0 Int's.   He threw a pick in his 4th start but he did throw 5 TD's.    He's 5th start was a stinker he only threw 1 TD 0 INT's.   

Kurt Warner had one of the greatest years a QB can have in his first year as a starter.   He was the league MVP.    But yes I agree with him you can't tell anything after 5 starts.  

Kurt Warner was really Roy Hobbs...just a different sport.?

[Biggs]

3 minutes ago, section314 said:

Kurt Warner was really Roy Hobbs...just a different sport.?

One  of my all time favorite sports movies along with Rush and Caddy Shack.

[kevinc855]

Wilson needs to get better at the 15 yards and under throws and then I will fell a lot better 

[Snell41]

Flashes and raw ability ?????


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[FidelioJet]

9 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

Oh for crying out loud. You have never seen a Jets QB throw a deep accurate pass. Really? Are you 10 years old or something? 

Why is it so hard to accept that the QB of the team you like has and has shown special talent?

Deep accurate pass? Is that what the poster said?

Wilsons natural talent does, in fact, jump off the screen - and yes, he has done things, from just a sheer skill-set perspective that I've never seen from a Jets QB....

He hasn't played well - no doubt -

but this refusal to accept anything positives or immediate need to attack anything positive said about him -  is just bizarre to me..

(not saying you're the one attacking him, just overall) 

 

[section314]

11 minutes ago, Biggs said:

One  of my all time favorite sports movies along with Rush and Caddy Shack.

Yup, watch it every time it's on. My favorite line is when he reconnects with Glen Close, and he's telling her how his life got sidetracked and he says..."gosh, I love baseball. Someday , when I'm walking down the street and people see me they'll say there goes Roy Hobbs, he's the best there ever was."  For so many of us who grew up eating sleeping and drinking baseball, it hits home so hard.

[paulyjet]

He's not wrong.

[FidelioJet]

42 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Kurt Warner was all pro in his first year starting.  First start 302 3TD's 2 INT's.  He improved in his second start  3TD's O Int's.  In his third start he had a 158 QBR with over 300 yards 3 TD's 0 Int's.   He threw a pick in his 4th start but he did throw 5 TD's.    He's 5th start was a stinker he only threw 1 TD 0 INT's.   

Kurt Warner had one of the greatest years a QB can have in his first year as a starter.   He was the league MVP.    But yes I agree with him you can't tell anything after 5 starts.  

He played in the AFL/NFL Europe for 4 years before getting a shot in the NFL

[Jet Nut]

10 hours ago, ZachEY said:

What’s amazing is that no one learns…

There’s still more options after 5 games than “great” and “worst in the league bad.”  There was when Darnold was the QB and there is now too.

Remember all those here screaming that Maccs pick of Quinnen was so stupid and he was a bust who needed to be traded for a 3rd round pick if possible

[faba]

In this market you can never escape media and fan frenzy live with it by performing well

[Jet Nut]

9 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

Oh for crying out loud. You have never seen a Jets QB throw a deep accurate pass. Really? Are you 10 years old or something? 

While on the run, with a flick of the wrist while off platform? 

No, not really and I go back to Namath forward.

[section314]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Remember all those here screaming that Maccs pick of Quinnen was so stupid and he was a bust who needed to be traded for a 3rd round pick if possible

I'll fess up.........guilty as charged.

[FidelioJet]

7 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Remember all those here screaming that Maccs pick of Quinnen was so stupid and he was a bust who needed to be traded for a 3rd round pick if possible

Still a bad pick though.

I hated that pick, still do.  Jets needed offense, not another DT.  

Nothing against Q - I like him and he may still turn out to be a good football player.  

[More Cowbell]

19 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Why is it so hard to accept that the QB of the team you like has and has shown special talent?

Deep accurate pass? Is that what the poster said?

Wilsons natural talent does, in fact, jump off the screen - and yes, he has done things, from just a sheer skill-set perspective that I've never seen from a Jets QB....

He hasn't played well - no doubt -

but this refusal to accept anything positives or immediate need to attack anything positive said about him -  is just bizarre to me..

(not saying you're the one attacking him, just overall) 

 

 

20 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Why is it so hard to accept that the QB of the team you like has and has shown special talent?

Deep accurate pass? Is that what the poster said?

Wilsons natural talent does, in fact, jump off the screen - and yes, he has done things, from just a sheer skill-set perspective that I've never seen from a Jets QB....

He hasn't played well - no doubt -

but this refusal to accept anything positives or immediate need to attack anything positive said about him -  is just bizarre to me..

(not saying you're the one attacking him, just overall) 

 

What he said is he has seen some throws he has never seen a Jets QB make. Which passes were those exactly? I'd really like to know. Ken O'Brien for all his faults threw a deep accurate ball. So did Brett Favre, and Vinny T. And I was being kind in what wrote. I didn't bring up his glaring inability to throw a short pass accurately.  And to be honest, no, I have not seen a special talent from Wilson. I was hoping I would but I don't  see it. Does he have talent, Hell yes. He has a great arm and a nice deep pass but that is about where it ends. His pocket awareness  is average at best, he makes boneheaded decisions just like Darnold did, he misses open receivers, and he holds the ball way too long a lot. 

Fortunately  all these things can be attributed to being a rookie but this guy is like having a shooting guard who hits 3 pointers but can't  make a layup. How absurd  is that?

[More Cowbell]

15 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

While on the run, with a flick of the wrist while off platform? 

No, not really and I go back to Namath forward.

Can you show me a video of this pass he made. I'm not talking about his pro day where he scripted all the throws and practiced them for like 2 weeks, i mean in the games he has played a pro. The deep throws I have seen for the most part were when he was rolling out and reset his feet before the throw