Sometimes it’s hard to tell, but this is a site for Jet fans

[fastmover]

I have been on this site since the beginning, at first I was just a guest user reading the site every day until I signed up (whenever that was). 
 

I come here for the news updates and to keep up with what’s going on with the team.  There have been several permeations of the overall atmosphere of the board through the years.  I will say the past few years have been the worst.  I don’t ever read through an entire thread anymore because all the idiotic arguments and people just trying to win the argument. Those arguments are brought into every god damn thread, it feels like, and it’s tiring. So I now read whatever the thread starts about, link, observation etc… and usually by the second page (if not sooner) there are 3 to 4 posters f’ing arguing. I just check out of the thread and move on. 
There was a time I would be on here everyday, during the season and off season, now there are times when I go days or weeks without coming on.  But since it’s preseason and I do have optimism for the team, I’m here to support and unfortunately put up with the crap as well. 
 

Semper Fi 

[Dunnie]

I’m gonna air a grievance here. As you know, I’ve been posting on these godforsaken message boards for 30+ years. The tenor and tone of the “debates” that go on these past few years have turned so malicious and so toxic that a lot of good posters can’t even sign on (much less engage) anymore. You know me: I’m rarely disrespectful toward other people’s opinions and I’m all for some light-hearted debate, but it gets discouraging to sign on in the morning and have a bunch of notifications of posts that aren’t debate, but unfunny clowns calling you a troll and seeing that mods have liked that post. I don’t take it personally because 1. I invite those responses with my pessimism and 2. **** those guys, but the sheer volume of posters whose entire posting oeuvre is just them coming after and attacking anyone who has even the most mild critique of this Jets franchise is pathetic. Not to call him out because I generally like him, but when is the last time [mention=28710]Charlie Brown[/mention] made an actual football post instead of incessant “diseased trolls” commentary? The more derision you’re met with, the more hostile the tone of any thread gets. Do you know how excited I was to see [mention=9230]Mogglez[/mention]’s post engaging me *on the merits* of my recent Zach Wilson post? Pretty ******* excited. You, me, and Meddle used to engage like that on the old board. But now? Not so much. If the mods want to create a better vibe in these threads, you need to check the tone of the people coming after even those you don’t agree with. You’ve been around long enough. You know the difference between a troll and a long suffering Jets fan. Don’t lump them in together, and don’t start threads calling for the extermination of those posters because you’re just going to make things worse for everybody. 

Well said from one of my favorite posters to disagree with.

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[JTJet]

20 minutes ago, slats said:

What’s going to get people into trouble is spamming threads with the same repetitive snark/meme/etc. or calling out or insulting fans who haven’t given up just yet

Does this work the other way? 

Are the @Joe W. Namath types of the world going to get shut down for spamming every thread or comment with the "JD is god and the sun is always beaming on my tomato plants trust the process" type drivel? 

I find myself generally somewhere in the middle of these particular attitudes, but I find the incessant cult of positivity to be much more grating on this site than the anti Jets trolls or 4 people like @T0mShanethat bitch about Zach Wison and felate Mike White between every breath.

The anti-Jets trolls at the very least make for some fun beatdowns when they poke their heads in. 

[Mogglez]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I’m gonna air a grievance here. As you know, I’ve been posting on these godforsaken message boards for 30+ years. The tenor and tone of the “debates” that go on these past few years have turned so malicious and so toxic that a lot of good posters can’t even sign on (much less engage) anymore. You know me: I’m rarely disrespectful toward other people’s opinions and I’m all for some light-hearted debate, but it gets discouraging to sign on in the morning and have a bunch of notifications of posts that aren’t debate, but unfunny clowns calling you a troll and seeing that mods have liked that post. I don’t take it personally because 1. I invite those responses with my pessimism and 2. **** those guys, but the sheer volume of posters whose entire posting oeuvre is just them coming after and attacking anyone who has even the most mild critique of this Jets franchise is pathetic. Not to call him out because I generally like him, but when is the last time @Charlie Brown made an actual football post instead of incessant “diseased trolls” commentary? The more derision you’re met with, the more hostile the tone of any thread gets. Do you know how excited I was to see @Mogglez’s post engaging me *on the merits* of my recent Zach Wilson post? Pretty ******* excited. You, me, and Meddle used to engage like that on the old board. But now? Not so much. If the mods want to create a better vibe in these threads, you need to check the tone of the people coming after even those you don’t agree with. You’ve been around long enough. You know the difference between a troll and a long suffering Jets fan. Don’t lump them in together, and don’t start threads calling for the extermination of those posters because you’re just going to make things worse for everybody. 

I want to make it clear that I genuinely think you are the most fun poster to debate on here and nothing I have ever said about trolls applies to you as a poster.  A large part of that is how long I’ve been around and, therefore, how much I know about your tone and posting style.

I appreciate the kind words about our smoldering hot discourse ?.  The post I made last night is a perfect example of how awesome back and forth debate can be when it’s genuine and objective.

[Legend Killa7]

Post of the year!

[Larz]

1 hour ago, slats said:

Care to elaborate? 

All he does is bash Wilson and becton. But I guess censorship has it’s limits?

[FloridaJetsFan]

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[munchmemory]

Thanks, slats.  You need folks like me to consistently interject a positive attitude towards the team, as well as unwavering support of players like Mims, Zach and Becton.

[jetspenguin]

A lot of frustration goes into being a Jet fan. As Jet fans, we all get it. An eleven year playoff drought and coming off a failed highly touted rookie QB only to replace him with someone who -shall we say- hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire has all of us frustrated, and these are topics worthy of discussion. 
 
However, if your primary -or exclusive- interaction on this site is; Zach sucks, Becton sucks, Saleh sucks, etc., and you feel the need to call out, criticize, or insult fans of the team who have simply chosen not to give up yet on some of these guys, you are going to get time off. Some of us are actually looking forward to seeing what happens with all the new additions in the second year with this staff, fully aware of the concerns surrounding that big three and others. We’re not gonna have a few repetitive trolls ruin the site with their spamming every thread with their deeply held negative opinions. 
 
Again, we’re all for constructive criticism and there are plenty of ways to have those conversations. Just please keep it civil and keep the repetition to a minimum (odds are that we already know your opinion all too well). 
 
This really should be a time for a little optimism. A lot of new talent here, the team is 0-0, let’s see what happens, shall we? 

Needed to be said

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[jetspenguin]

A lot of frustration goes into being a Jet fan. As Jet fans, we all get it. An eleven year playoff drought and coming off a failed highly touted rookie QB only to replace him with someone who -shall we say- hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire has all of us frustrated, and these are topics worthy of discussion. 
 
However, if your primary -or exclusive- interaction on this site is; Zach sucks, Becton sucks, Saleh sucks, etc., and you feel the need to call out, criticize, or insult fans of the team who have simply chosen not to give up yet on some of these guys, you are going to get time off. Some of us are actually looking forward to seeing what happens with all the new additions in the second year with this staff, fully aware of the concerns surrounding that big three and others. We’re not gonna have a few repetitive trolls ruin the site with their spamming every thread with their deeply held negative opinions. 
 
Again, we’re all for constructive criticism and there are plenty of ways to have those conversations. Just please keep it civil and keep the repetition to a minimum (odds are that we already know your opinion all too well). 
 
This really should be a time for a little optimism. A lot of new talent here, the team is 0-0, let’s see what happens, shall we? 

Needed to be said

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[Larz]

Really bad timing too. 
 

pads go on Monday and we’re getting the first bad news next week. 
 

stay happy !

 

[jetspenguin]

There is a difference between criticism of your own team and/or players and coming on here raving about and promoting the love of a DIFFERENT team and/or their players.

That is a very distinct difference.

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[JohnnyLV]

4 minutes ago, Larz said:

Really bad timing too. 
 

pads go on Monday and we’re getting the first bad news next week. 
 

stay happy !

 

I both enjoy padded practice updates and dread every second of it. We need to avoid injuries this year in TC

[jetspenguin]

On 7/31/2022 at 10:47 AM, Mogglez said:

I can’t speak to what sparked the exodus from JI, as I was too young to understand it all, but I can say that I don’t see this place becoming that cesspool.  I have debated plenty over the last few days.  Posting breakdowns of film, sharing opinions, etc.  
That part has been fun.  Nothing good comes from blind optimism or constant negativity.  Good debate spawns from balance and objectivity.
What hasn’t been fun is watching guys like Dreams, AltonBrown, JoeNamathsFurCoat, and others derail threads, many of which don’t have anything to do with Wilson or the Jets, by sh*tposting about the team and Wilson inside of them.  That sh*t isn’t fun in the slightest and actively discourages me from engaging in threads.  Especially when you know, for a fact, that these posters are just past troublemakers posting on their 10th username.  In fact, that’s something I think should be cracked down on more.  I get that this place was built on the idea of giving people multiple chances, but the ban evading has gotten so out of control, I would prefer if those who are doing it were just banned on the spot without warning.  I don’t need PhilC coming back time and time again to ruin the board.  Just tell him to piss off and ban him the second you see a match in IP addresses.  Or, better yet, if it’s possible, IP ban the guy.  People like that wore out their welcome years ago.

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[Flea Flicking Frank]

Having been on message boards since the old AOL boards, I feel like message boards tend to draw more negativity than positive, even for good teams. Jets have been a disaster for like 12 years now.  

I don't personally love it, but I understand it to a point. My issue is when it turns into flat out trolling, than its unpleasant, and I tend to not want to be around.

[Mogglez]

1 minute ago, jetspenguin said:

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Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.
 

It’s frowned upon, but I’ve waited months for training camp and I’m not particularly keen on letting people ruining the most fun time of the pre-season for me without being called out for it, lol.

[oatmeal]

[Spoot-Face]

For the record, and just in case there's anyone who can't tell, I don't actually think @T0mShane is a troll. I love and respect the dude, even if I don't always agree with him. I just make jokes at him because that's what I do, and, well, it's easy. I go for the low-hanging fruit, because us beavers can't reach the high-hanging fruit without gnawing the whole damn tree down, and that sh*t is exhausting. I make jokes rather than having smart football discussions, because I'm a dumb football guy.

As for the other stuff mentioned in this thread, T0m is right that there are those that can't tell the difference between a real troll like the numerous alts that pop up, and legitimate Jets fans that are just so beaten down that trend on the pessimistic side (I know, that's where I'm at half the time). Now, I think it's pretty clear to me that Slats was talking about the former, and not the latter, but the point remains that those real Jets fans frequently get caught in the crossfire by the more optimistically-slanted fans. Some of them, I might add, can also be annoying with their shticks, but don't as often catch as much flak or ridicule.

And people get way too defensive about sh*t these days, and that happens on both sides of the spectrum. Personally, I think when someone finds themselves getting that worked up over football opinions on an internet message board, they probably need to take a step back and either a) thicken their skin or 2) reevaluate their priorities.

Now, group hug in the shower room tonight! I want to finally get me some freshly squeezed @LemonTree.!

[Spoot-Face]

9 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

There is a difference between criticism of your own team and/or players and coming on here raving about and promoting the love of a DIFFERENT team and/or their players.

That is a very distinct difference.

For the last time, the cougar in my avatar has NOTHING to do with the Florida Panthers!

[Mogglez]

16 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

There is a difference between criticism of your own team and/or players and coming on here raving about and promoting the love of a DIFFERENT team and/or their players.

That is a very distinct difference.

Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.
 

You mean most Jets fans wouldn’t come here to talk about their love of Josh Allen and the Bills or talk about how much they respect the Patriots, Bill Belichick, and Mac Jones ????

[JoJoTownsell1]

2 hours ago, slats said:

A lot of frustration goes into being a Jet fan. As Jet fans, we all get it. An eleven year playoff drought and coming off a failed highly touted rookie QB only to replace him with someone who -shall we say- hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire has all of us frustrated, and these are topics worthy of discussion. 
 
However, if your primary -or exclusive- interaction on this site is; Zach sucks, Becton sucks, Saleh sucks, etc., and you feel the need to call out, criticize, or insult fans of the team who have simply chosen not to give up yet on some of these guys, you are going to get time off. Some of us are actually looking forward to seeing what happens with all the new additions in the second year with this staff, fully aware of the concerns surrounding that big three and others. We’re not gonna have a few repetitive trolls ruin the site with their spamming every thread with their deeply held negative opinions. 
 
Again, we’re all for constructive criticism and there are plenty of ways to have those conversations. Just please keep it civil and keep the repetition to a minimum (odds are that we already know your opinion all too well). 
 
This really should be a time for a little optimism. A lot of new talent here, the team is 0-0, let’s see what happens, shall we? 

Finally.  Actual jets fans likely come here and are turned off by the sojf clowns that permeate this place.

There is plenty of time to hate the jets and their players AFTER they lose games and suck. But some of you think it's a race to be first to hate on a player.  

[Spoot-Face]

7 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

You mean most Jets fans wouldn’t come here to talk about their love of Josh Allen and the Bills or talk about how much they respect the Patriots, Bill Belichick, and Mac Jones ????

Can you seriously look me in the eye and tell me you don't love this??

 

[munchmemory]

42 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

Can you seriously look me in the eye and tell me you don't love this??

 

The pace on that bitch is extraordinary.  Get the Canton jacket measured.

[DoubleDown]

It's certainly annoying, and it could easily be self-moderated if posters simply ignored it. People get triggered way too easily.

Until the Jets start to actually win some games, the negativity is not going anywhere. There is alot of hype out there right now with not much in the way of results to back it up.

The season can't get here soon enough.

[Spoot-Face]

3 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Finally.  Actual jets fans likely come here and are turned off by the sojf clowns that permeate this place.

There is plenty of time to hate the jets and their players AFTER they lose games and suck. But some of you think it's a race to be first to hate on a player.  

^^

This kind of rhetoric is part of the problem, imo.

Labeling posters as not fans and "sojf clowns" because they view the state of the Jets differently than you do doesn't help.

[Spoot-Face]

8 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

The pace on that bitch is extraordinary.  Get the canton jacket measured.

If you look closely enough, you can even see the Jets losing by double digits with every step.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, slats said:

No one’s censoring, T0m. I was clear about that. This is a place to discuss what has certainly been a bad football team for some time. What’s going to get people into trouble is spamming threads with the same repetitive snark/meme/etc. or calling out or insulting fans who haven’t given up just yet. 
 
I believe I am being objective, and that I’m siding with the majority of fans here who have no idea what to expect this year but still have enough interest to follow the team in July because this is who they root for. That huge swath of fans here in the middle who understand the team’s past and recent history and have neither decided it’s always gonna be **** or never take off their green-tinted glasses.
 
Discussion is great. I’m always down for a discussion. That’s not what this thread is about, though. 

 

Does general smugness get one banned?  Asking for a friend.

[Maynard13]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I think, if you were being objective and not simply siding with those everything-is-fine posters, you’d find that it’s the people saying “hey, these are the things keeping us from winning a title” that are maliciously attacked for saying, “hey, the supposed franchise OT weighing 400 pounds is bad!” or “hmm, Zach Wilson was statistically awful last season.” 
 

A reminder that this site only exists because Sean Deegan started censoring what he felt were negative posts toward the Jets in an effort to curry favor with the Jets front office and Mark Cannizaro. You mods really need to remember your history before you turn this place into the effectively defunct JetsInsider.com. Or, you could always try posting there again. They have ~12 active users, but they all seem to be pretty upbeat.

In defense of @T0mShane the Jets have sucked longer than most of the posters on this board have been alive. (With the exception of that Fitzmajik year). The Love/Effit relationship of Jets fans is as sharp as the edge of a razor. 

[Maynard13]

56 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

Having been on message boards since the old AOL boards, I feel like message boards tend to draw more negativity than positive, even for good teams. Jets have been a disaster for like 12 years now.  

I don't personally love it, but I understand it to a point. My issue is when it turns into flat out trolling, than its unpleasant, and I tend to not want to be around.

12 years? What are you 13?

[slimjasi]

3 minutes ago, Maynard13 said:

12 years? What are you 13?

Well, they weren’t a “disaster” in 2009 or 2010 (or even in 2008 or 2015, for that matter) 

 

12 seems reasonable. 

[JustInFudge]

Jets site? GTFO.  Here am I thinking this was a fashion and design website this whole time.

[Maynard13]

14 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Well, they weren’t a “disaster” in 2009 or 2010 (or even in 2008 or 2015, for that matter) 

 

12 seems reasonable. 

Just for the record, I’ve been a Jets fan just before Namath was signed. I’ve seen the good bad ugly and the horrific. I’ll always love The Jets through thick and thin. And again, I could care less if they go 0-17 this year. Why? Because this team was in such shambles it’s going to take a Herculean effort to right this Titanic. And I’m excited ? with what JD has done the last couple of years. This team is going to blossom like Sakura Cherry flowers ? and it will all come together. 

 

[munchmemory]

4 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

Jets site? GTFO.  Here am I thinking this was a fashion and design website this whole time.

Fashion?  Please.  With these louts?  Probably coudn't tell a proper bootcut from their elbow.

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, Maynard13 said:

Just for the record, I’ve been a Jets fan just before Namath was signed. I’ve see. He good bad ugly and the horrific. I’ll always love The Jets through thick and thin. And again, I could care less if the go 0-17 this year. Why? Because this team was in such shambles it’s going to a Herculean effort to right this Titanic. And I’m excited ? with what JD has done the last couple of years. This team is going to blossom like Sakura Cherry flowers ? and it will all come together. 

 

 

 Very cool to have folks who have watched this team for that long. 

 

I stand by the assessment, however 

[derp]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

I’m gonna air a grievance here. As you know, I’ve been posting on these godforsaken message boards for 30+ years. The tenor and tone of the “debates” that go on these past few years have turned so malicious and so toxic that a lot of good posters can’t even sign on (much less engage) anymore. You know me: I’m rarely disrespectful toward other people’s opinions and I’m all for some light-hearted debate, but it gets discouraging to sign on in the morning and have a bunch of notifications of posts that aren’t debate, but unfunny clowns calling you a troll and seeing that mods have liked that post. I don’t take it personally because 1. I invite those responses with my pessimism and 2. **** those guys, but the sheer volume of posters whose entire posting oeuvre is just them coming after and attacking anyone who has even the most mild critique of this Jets franchise is pathetic. Not to call him out because I generally like him, but when is the last time @Charlie Brown made an actual football post instead of incessant “diseased trolls” commentary? The more derision you’re met with, the more hostile the tone of any thread gets. Do you know how excited I was to see @Mogglez’s post engaging me *on the merits* of my recent Zach Wilson post? Pretty ******* excited. You, me, and Meddle used to engage like that on the old board. But now? Not so much. If the mods want to create a better vibe in these threads, you need to check the tone of the people coming after even those you don’t agree with. You’ve been around long enough. You know the difference between a troll and a long suffering Jets fan. Don’t lump them in together, and don’t start threads calling for the extermination of those posters because you’re just going to make things worse for everybody. 

I’ll pile on some of the other positive responses to this and say playing devils advocate with your thoughts and debating a little is fun and I appreciate your consistent willingness to engage with my nonsensical drivel when we go back and forth.