Lawrence v Our Guy?

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

Should put to rest once and for all that exposure to bad coaching “ruins a player FOREVER” arguments.

Darnold fumbling away (literally AND figuratively) his chances at winning the job in Carolina long-term was all Adam Gase’s fault dude

[Rich Thornburgh]

47 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Guy can't complete a swing pass behind the line of scrimmage and has the locker room on the verge of mutiny over his immaturity and lack of accountability but it's all the coaches fault.

And the O-line

[Rich Thornburgh]

9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Lawrence’s first coach was physically and verbally abusive.

Just stop.  

Urban Meyer barely could have even been considered a coach.  He didn’t even travel back to Jacksonville with his team after road games that’s unheard of in any sport by any coach.  To call Urban Meyer an empty suit would be an insult to empty suits

 

And what has Lefleur done to be considered worst offensive coordinator ever?  He didn’t make Zach Wilson good?  I guess that would make him not God.

 

Sign Wentz or Foles already.  Ugh

 

[jgb]

5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Darnold fumbling away (literally AND figuratively) his chances at winning the job in Carolina long-term was all Adam Gase’s fault dude

I wasn’t wrong for touting a QB before, during, and after he became an epic bust and insulting everyone who disagrees — he was ruined for all time by that bad OC his rookie year!!!

[jgb]

8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Darnold fumbling away (literally AND figuratively) his chances at winning the job in Carolina long-term was all Adam Gase’s fault dude

The Darnold thing is funny. Gase ruined him after he sucked under Bowles. Retroactive ruin!

[GangGreened]

That’s 24 posters 

14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Everyone point and laugh at @kdels62, @FidelioJet, @GandWFan, @Bungaman, @pajet, @jbt, @Green hat, @Hex, @nj meadowlands, @ryu79, @NIGHT STALKER, @Thai Jet, @johnnysd, @BornJetsFan1983, @Alka, @cat999, @Dunnie, @xJayce, @shevys, @Out of Bounce, @Jared, @hawk, @jetsons and @OCCH23.

 

Making a note not to ever get into a QB debate with any of these posters.

[Jetsfan80]

16 minutes ago, jgb said:

The Darnold thing is funny. Gase ruined him after he sucked under Bowles. Retroactive ruin!

No no.  He was PRE-ruined under Bowles, then FULLY ruined under Gase.  Rhule and Joe Brady then finished the job and Kyle Shanahan is left to pick up the pieces.  But there's still hope!!!

[jgb]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

No no.  He was PRE-ruined under Bowles, then FULLY ruined under Gase.  Rhule and Joe Brady then finished the job and Kyle Shanahan is left to pick up the pieces.  But there's still hope!!!

I’d you want to find an excuse, there is never a shortage

[jgb]

18 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

That’s 24 posters 

Making a note not to ever get into a QB debate with any of these posters.

You can debate them but expect a lot of insults to come back your way 

[BornJetsFan1983]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Everyone point and laugh at @kdels62, @FidelioJet, @GandWFan, @Bungaman, @pajet, @jbt, @Green hat, @Hex, @nj meadowlands, @ryu79, @NIGHT STALKER, @Thai Jet, @johnnysd, @BornJetsFan1983, @Alka, @cat999, @Dunnie, @xJayce, @shevys, @Out of Bounce, @Jared, @hawk, @jetsons and @OCCH23.

 

lawrence had his set backs but made the leap wilson never did.  got to change with the facts on the ground. WIlson needs work, while lawrence looked like he put it together. But even when it was rough for him he was still scoring points. 

[Dunnie]

And many of them still refuse to give up the ghost a year later with Lawrence taking a giant leap and Zach taking (another) giant dook in his pants.

Lawrence had a coaching change for the better .. hoping the same w/ Zachatron.

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[Dunnie]

I’d you want to find an excuse, there is never a shortage

So was Trevor sucking before last year incorrect for blaming the coaching staff ???

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[jgb]

27 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

So was Trevor sucking before last year incorrect for blaming the coaching staff ???

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What?

[jgb]

36 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Lawrence had a coaching change for the better .. hoping the same w/ Zachatron.

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Zach has now sucked two years and was outperformed by a 6th round guy who has bounced around practice squads for 3 years. His range of likely outcomes has dramatically narrowed as compared to both Trevor and Zach after their rookie years.

[bicketybam]

Holy sh*t, talk about beating a dead horse and taking victory lap after victory lap. #sad

[Stark]

54 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Lawrence had a coaching change for the better .. hoping the same w/ Zachatron.

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You misspelled #Zachenberg

 

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, Dunnie said:

So was Trevor sucking before last year incorrect for blaming the coaching staff ???

Even in his sh*t rookie year, Lawrence still had Wilson beat in:

• TDs (12-9)
• Completion % (59.6 to 55.6)
• QB Rating (71.9 to 69.7)
• QBR (33.5 to 28.2)
• Yards per Game (214.2 to 179.5)
• INT % (2.8 to 2.9)
• Sack % (5.0 to 10.3)
• Game-winning drives (2-1)
• Net Yards per Pass Attempt (5.37 to 4.60)
• Adjust Net Yards per Pass Attempt (4.54 to 3.86)
• On Target % (71.3 to 69.9)
• Bad Throw % (20.5 to 23.8)
• Play Action Passing Yards per play (8.2 to 5.8)

 

And its funny how Lawrence "sucked" his rookie year but Zach Wilson didn't in your eyes.  Other teams' QBs suck.  Zach has excuses.  

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, bicketybam said:

Holy sh*t, talk about beating a dead horse and taking victory lap after victory lap. #sad

He's only halfway thru his rookie deal.  No, it is not "beating a dead horse".  It is just quite a few folks who were wrong but don't want to hear it.

[More Cowbell]

8 hours ago, jgb said:

 

Someone homered a post I made a year ago. Thanks for digging this up

[Dunnie]

Even in his sh*t rookie year, Lawrence still had Wilson beat in:

• TDs (12-9)
• Completion % (59.6 to 55.6)
• QB Rating (71.9 to 69.7)
• QBR (33.5 to 28.2)
• Yards per Game (214.2 to 179.5)
• INT % (2.8 to 2.9)
• Sack % (5.0 to 10.3)
• Game-winning drives (2-1)
• Net Yards per Pass Attempt (5.37 to 4.60)
• Adjust Net Yards per Pass Attempt (4.54 to 3.86)
• On Target % (71.3 to 69.9)
• Bad Throw % (20.5 to 23.8)
• Play Action Passing Yards per play (8.2 to 5.8)

 
And its funny how Lawrence "sucked" his rookie year but Zach Wilson didn't in your eyes.  Other teams' QBs suck.  Zach has excuses.  

Never said Zach didn't suck his 1st year .. his Sack numbers indicate inferior line play which was confirmed by Mike White's hospital visit.

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[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Never said Zach didn't suck his 1st year .. his Sack numbers indicate inferior line play which was confirmed by Mike White's hospital visit.

Sacks are a QB stat for a reason dude.  White's Sack % in his Jet career was only 4.1 %.  Wilson's 9.7 %.  And White never got to play with AVT.

Half-retired human statue Joe Flacco's Sack %?  4.5 in 2021 and 5.0 in 2022.  Josh Johnson's was 4.3.

[Hex]

6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Lawrence’s first coach was physically and verbally abusive.

Just stop.  

yea and he sucked balls then. Pederson came in and he's played like everybody thought he would.

[Anthony Jet]

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Hex said:

yea and he sucked balls then. Pederson came in and he's played like everybody thought he would.

Ah right.  As if Zach stans wouldn't be calling for Urban to be arrested if he were Zach's coach.  Instead its just "Trevor sucked balls" with no excuses given.

And even still....

 

25 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Even in his sh*t rookie year, Lawrence still had Wilson beat in:

• TDs (12-9)
• Completion % (59.6 to 55.6)
• QB Rating (71.9 to 69.7)
• QBR (33.5 to 28.2)
• Yards per Game (214.2 to 179.5)
• INT % (2.8 to 2.9)
• Sack % (5.0 to 10.3)
• Game-winning drives (2-1)
• Net Yards per Pass Attempt (5.37 to 4.60)
• Adjust Net Yards per Pass Attempt (4.54 to 3.86)
• On Target % (71.3 to 69.9)
• Bad Throw % (20.5 to 23.8)
• Play Action Passing Yards per play (8.2 to 5.8)

 

And its funny how Lawrence "sucked" his rookie year but Zach Wilson didn't in your eyes.  Other teams' QBs suck.  Zach has excuses.  

 

So there was no evidence whatsoever, at any point in their respective careers, that Zach Wilson would be better than Trevor Lawrence. 

Hence that laughter at the 24 Zach voters, most of which based their votes entirely on hope and feelings.

[Hex]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

 

And yet....

 

 

So there was no evidence whatsoever, at any point in their respective careers, that Zach Wilson would be better than Trevor Lawrence.  Hence that laughter at the 24 Zach voters.

I never said Zach didn't. I'm pointing out that you said he had a terrible coach, and it clearly showed. I could go into how the Jaguars probably had a better offense and defense than the Jets, but that's pointless, because Lawrence is clearly better now.

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, Hex said:

I never said Zach didn't. I'm pointing out that you said he had a terrible coach, and it clearly showed. I could go into how the Jaguars probably had a better offense and defense than the Jets, but that's pointless, because Lawrence is clearly better now.

The 2021 Jaguars?  The ones who lost Etienne for the year shortly before the season started and were 28th in the league in points allowed per game?

[Hex]

6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The 2021 Jaguars?  The ones who lost Etienne for the year shortly before the season started and were 28th in the league in points allowed per game?

Jets were 32nd in points allowed per game

Jaguars had James Robinson too for most of that season. Jets best player was Michael Carter. OL was devistated.

[Jetsfan80]

16 minutes ago, Hex said:

Jets were 32nd in points allowed per game

Jaguars had James Robinson too for most of that season. Jets best player was Michael Carter. OL was devistated.

So basically there was no difference?  

[bicketybam]

He's only halfway thru his rookie deal.  No, it is not "beating a dead horse".  It is just quite a few folks who were wrong but don't want to hear it.

Seems like it's you and few others who won't let it go. Take those victory laps though. Go get 'em!

[Hex]

6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

So basically there was no difference?  

Jaguars had it a little worse, not to mention their coach absolutely sucked.

But again, it's pointless because Lawrence carried his team to the playoffs and Zach still can't throw straight.

[slimjasi]

35 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

The Iaces were in!!! 

[jgb]

47 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

 

[jgb]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Even in his sh*t rookie year, Lawrence still had Wilson beat in:

• TDs (12-9)
• Completion % (59.6 to 55.6)
• QB Rating (71.9 to 69.7)
• QBR (33.5 to 28.2)
• Yards per Game (214.2 to 179.5)
• INT % (2.8 to 2.9)
• Sack % (5.0 to 10.3)
• Game-winning drives (2-1)
• Net Yards per Pass Attempt (5.37 to 4.60)
• Adjust Net Yards per Pass Attempt (4.54 to 3.86)
• On Target % (71.3 to 69.9)
• Bad Throw % (20.5 to 23.8)
• Play Action Passing Yards per play (8.2 to 5.8)

 

And its funny how Lawrence "sucked" his rookie year but Zach Wilson didn't in your eyes.  Other teams' QBs suck.  Zach has excuses.  

Trevor had to deal with literally the most epic dysfunctional coaching train wreck since Bobby Petrino walked out on the Falcons 13 games into his tenure to run back to college and coach Arkansas… a job he was later fired from for getting into a motorcycle accident with his grad student mistress and trying to pay people off to keep it hushed up. 

Yet, Lawrence was still better than Zach.

[jgb]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Sacks are a QB stat for a reason dude.  White's Sack % in his Jet career was only 4.1 %.  Wilson's 9.7 %.  And White never got to play with AVT.

Half-retired human statue Joe Flacco's Sack %?  4.5 in 2021 and 5.0 in 2022.  Josh Johnson's was 4.3.

More numbers! Gah! The eye test!

[Jetsfan80]

50 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

He's only halfway thru his rookie deal.  No, it is not "beating a dead horse".  It is just quite a few folks who were wrong but don't want to hear it.

Seems like it's you and few others who won't let it go. Take those victory laps though. Go get 'em!

Let what go?  The possibility that we’re one injury away from a sh*t QB being forced into action?  You’re trying to pretend he’s off the team or something.