bla bla bla Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 16 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: One could also LOL at people ignoring 3 bad years with a million turnovers and then thinking one "good"year that included a measly 3200 yards passing in 16 games as proof that Jones is Franchise QB. That's 1 way to look at it for sure but I think it's a disingenuous one. He's cut down his turnovers each season that he's been in the league and that 3200 yards also had like 700 yards on the ground. We'd be creaming our pants for a performance like that and they had one of the toughest schedules in the NFL without a top WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Giants found their QB -we are on a 50 year mission to find ours. Last night Giants were just manhandled nothing he can do about that 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 8 hours ago, JetsAddict said: I wouldn’t want to pay him $30+MM a year He totally earned it this season. The Giants have a bunch of Jags at WR. Elijah Moore would be the best guy on the team. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 8 hours ago, ScarletKnight89 said: He can play but he's not elite and I think given the going rate for QBs he could command more than $30 million per year. If the Giants pay him and their RB they are going to be restricted from making moves in other areas. They better draft really well going forward. Evan Neal had a rough rookie year already. I could see the owner wanting to pay Daniel Jones though after this season. Tough spot for Schoen and Daboll to be in. One will get a deal and thebother will get tagged. It's just economics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Hmmmmmm just because Jones is now performing with Daboll at a certain level for the Giants does not mean that automatically he would do the same for the Jets! Scheme, training and play designs matter, it isn’t just plug and play with Jones that is why his previous play matters. Those of us who warned about Neil O’Donnell, before he was acquired by the Jets in a previous time, have seen this Broadway play before, and know that unless you have a superior QB, plug and play doesn’t necessarily work and why I, if I were the Jets would not pay Jones 30 Million Dollars for ONE year of adequate QB play. The Giants yes, because the coaching staff and what I pointed out above holds true, but not the Jets. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Daniel Jones is a young Ryan Tannehill to me. They’re really going to have to build the team up around him in to get him performing consistently. Giants seem to have a lot of work to do on that front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsAddict Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, bla bla bla said: That's 1 way to look at it for sure but I think it's a disingenuous one. He's cut down his turnovers each season that he's been in the league and that 3200 yards also had like 700 yards on the ground. We'd be creaming our pants for a performance like that and they had one of the toughest schedules in the NFL without a top WR. The toughest schedule thing is nonsense. The NFC is down this year and the Giants AFC crossover division was the horrendous AFC South. They even caught Jacksonville early when they weren’t playing well. Jones to me is one of those starting QBs acceptable on a rookie deal, but I wouldn’t want to have to pay him second contract starting NFL QB money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 25 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: Hmmmmmm just because Jones is now performing with Daboll at a certain level for the Giants does not mean that automatically he would do the same for the Jets! Scheme, training and play designs matter, it isn’t just plug and play with Jones that is why his previous play matters. Those of us who warned about Neil O’Donnell, before he was acquired by the Jets in a previous time, have seen this Broadway play before, and know that unless you have a superior QB, plug and play doesn’t necessarily work and why I, if I were the Jets would not pay Jones 30 Million Dollars for ONE year of adequate QB play. The Giants yes, because the coaching staff and what I pointed out above holds true, but not the Jets. Neil was over rated but Parcells anger at him cost the Jets a playoff berth with O'Donnell as the starting QB. Parcells management of the QB and the game against Detroit was atrocious and cost the Jets a playoff berth. Jones has size an NFL arm doesn't shy away from moving up in the pocket and good athletisim. If the Jets can't figure out how to win with him and our D we need a new HC and staff. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 58 minutes ago, JetsAddict said: The toughest schedule thing is nonsense. The NFC is down this year and the Giants AFC crossover division was the horrendous AFC South. They even caught Jacksonville early when they weren’t playing well. Jones to me is one of those starting QBs acceptable on a rookie deal, but I wouldn’t want to have to pay him second contract starting NFL QB money. He falls in that ~$30m a year category for me. I think with continued development he could win a SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballLove Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I hope Giants give Danny Dimes a record breaking QB deal...$60m per, 5 yr guaranteed. $300M baby. Yup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 hours ago, More Cowbell said: One will get a deal and thebother will get tagged. It's just economics MORE COWBELL please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 5 hours ago, defensedoesntgetyoulaid said: This is the funny thing about sports now. We really do change our opinions on guys from one week to the next. The recency effect is real! Very true! Even Robert Saleh was talking about how Zach is the guy and talked about how the fans wanted "instant coffee" or whatever. Then he benched him twice and said this offseason "We are going to be aggressive as heck when it comes to quarterback play and making sure we do everything we can to satisfy that position". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 hours ago, faba said: Giants found their QB -we are on a 50 year mission to find ours. Last night Giants were just manhandled nothing he can do about that "Noodle arm", Ken O'Brien (for 2 seasons), Vinny T and Favre (for 1 season each) weren't enough for you?! Do you drink instant coffee or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sackdance Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 10 hours ago, rldev said: This game cost him some money. Mike WHITE + Or made him more available. He would be instant improvement at the position for the Jets - and behind a healthier OL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Its comical to me how much this fan base puts literally everything on the QB. The Eagles are so far superior roster wise top to bottom to the Giants. They put so much pressure on the Giants and covered the Giants receivers so well. Not saying Jones is elite, but the entire Giants offense and defense was completely overwhelmed by maybe the top team in the NFL. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 10 hours ago, T0mShane said: I would feel the exact same way about signing Daniel Jones to a huge contract as I would about signing Derek Carr to a huge contract. If you don't have a Mahomes, Allen, Burrow or now Hurts type QB, the rest of the guys who can play are all the same, and Mike White is very much in that category. Put a really good roster around them and they can win, put a crap roster around them and they won't win. Not much difference in Carr, Garrapolo, Mike White, Cousins, etc. Minor differences, but nothing more than minor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rldev Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, sackdance said: Or made him more available. He would be instant improvement at the position for the Jets - and behind a healthier OL? I'm not criticizing him. I just think it may have cost him some money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: Its comical to me how much this fan base puts literally everything on the QB. The Eagles are so far superior roster wise top to bottom to the Giants. They put so much pressure on the Giants and covered the Giants receivers so well. Not saying Jones is elite, but the entire Giants offense and defense was completely overwhelmed by maybe the top team in the NFL. Which is why it was folly when Giants and Jets fans were creaming over DJ after he tore apart the Vikes D. The same D that made MW look like a "real" Qb . Jones was much better this year because he cut down his turnovers and used his legs effectively . But by and far he he was slightly better than a game manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just now, 56mehl56 said: Which is why it was folly when Giants and Jets fans were creaming over DJ after he tore apart the Vikes D. The same D that made MW look like a "real" Qb . Jones was much better this year because he cut down his turnovers and used his legs effectively . But by and far he he was slightly better than a game manager. I completely agree. I think you have your elite QB's like Mahomes, Allen, Burrow and Hurts, and then beyond that you have a whole bunch of competent game managers that will be as good or bad as their surrounding talent. Last year Daniel Jones was quite bad, and there was not even a lot of people who were confident he would be the guy this year. Daboll did wonders with him to turn him from trash to a good game manaager 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sackdance Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, rldev said: I'm not criticizing him. I just think it may have cost him some money. Agreed, thus possibly saving whoever signs him (Jets? I’d be very open) a bunch as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Eagles defense is nasty. They generate brutal pressure with only 4 rushers and have a great secondary. falling behind so quickly was a disaster. Giants need 8 minutes to grind out a long drive, just didn’t have the horses to go fast break. He’s going to get paid. Big durable fast QBs are hard to find. He cut the turnovers way down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 28 minutes ago, Larz said: Eagles defense is nasty. They generate brutal pressure with only 4 rushers and have a great secondary. falling behind so quickly was a disaster. Giants need 8 minutes to grind out a long drive, just didn’t have the horses to go fast break. He’s going to get paid. Big durable fast QBs are hard to find. He cut the turnovers way down. Minus the rushing yards Jones for a majority of the season ws putting up the same kind of pedestrian numbers that ZW was. Like ZW he was a game manager that relied on a good RB ( Hall/Barkely) and was benefitted by playing a set of weaker teams . Yet one was vilified and one is beloved. If DJ was on the Jets I guarantee 75% of fans here would be labeling him a bust and wanting him gone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 12 hours ago, JetsAddict said: I wouldn’t want to pay him $30+MM a year I would! I said before this year that I wish Daniel Jones was on the Jets, and he proved to me this year that I was correct in my thinking. I would absolutely pay Daniel Jones $30M a year for the next 3 years. We wouldn't have to give up any draft picks, and can concentrate on getting a first round offensive right tackle to upgrade the offensive line. Move AVT back to left guard, Herbig at right guard, and Duane Brown another year at left tackle. Tomlinson back up at guard, Becton and Max backups at tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Minus the rushing yards Jones for a majority of the season ws putting up the same kind of pedestrian numbers that ZW was. Like ZW he was a game manager that relied on a good RB ( Hall/Barkely) and was benefitted by playing a set of weaker teams . Yet one was vilified and one is beloved. If DJ was on the Jets I guarantee 75% of fans here would be labeling him a bust and wanting him gone. Yeah no. 67% passer, 92 rating , 700 rushing yards 22 total touchdowns almost 4,000 total yards. He has nothing around him but Barkley. It’s actual trash. He’ll get the blame unfortunately but the giants came out flat and got their checks clapped. It’s much more of a black eye for Daboll for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet2020 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 He’s not getting close to 30. Maybe around 20-25 and that too if super lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 If the Giants give Barkley the Franchise Tag, Jones could hit the market. He had a good season and would have to be a consideration. All options have to be on the table this season. A viable QB makes the Jets a playoff team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just because Wilson was bad and White couldn't stay on the field doesn't make Jones "good". He and the rest of the NYG finally played a real team and they got exposed yesterday. They had a fantastic draw with MIN (the worst 13 win team of all time) who sucked defensively and they looked better than they were. PHI clamped down on their WR's, spied on Jones running and the game was over by halftime. Jones is an average QB who was better than anything we had, that doesn't make him a franchise QB 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 4 hours ago, faba said: Giants found their QB -we are on a 50 year mission to find ours. Last night Giants were just manhandled nothing he can do about that But did they , they have a very difficult decision to make this off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 4 hours ago, faba said: Giants found their QB -we are on a 50 year mission to find ours. Last night Giants were just manhandled nothing he can do about that Lol at thinking Daniel Jones is a franchise qb off his first year of not being a turnover machine and throwing for a measly 3200 yards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Lol at thinking Daniel Jones is a franchise qb off his first year of not being a turnover machine and throwing for a measly 3200 yards. Took him four years to be average, give him 30+ million a year 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wit Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 If you watched the game, he really does a good job of giving himself time to throw, but no one is open. I think hes a Kirk Cousins type of player. Not elite. Keep scratching those lotto tickets until it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 13 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: lol - it was one game. the guy had a good year. the eagles defense is really good. I'd take him here as our QB n a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 It’s like a bunch of Giants fans on this board stroking an average DJ. There is no way this fanbase would have supported DJ this long, we would ran him out after year 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 20 minutes ago, Wit said: If you watched the game, he really does a good job of giving himself time to throw, but no one is open. I think hes a Kirk Cousins type of player. Not elite. Keep scratching those lotto tickets until it happens. Kirk is a few steps higher on the ladder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 The Giants situation reeks of a Kirk Cousins situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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