Aaron Rodgers to the Jets rumor: Merged

[JetPotato]

36 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Really? Didn't know that.

Yeah they did a blue and orange one for years. Maybe retired now. I remember it on the shorts for a while.

[HessStation]

If you want to trade a 1st round pick you’re a small Dick loser and deserve this team. ?just a heads up 

[Warfish]

3 minutes ago, HessStation said:

If you want to trade a 1st round pick you’re a small Dick loser and deserve this team. ?just a heads up 

[Mogglez]

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I guess it depends on how you define “imminent,” because the dynamics of the trade haven’t changed since Wingo reported it was at the 1 yard line. It’s just that it was on the one yard line until a mutually convenient time to push it over the goal line. Rapoport and Schefter tried to present it as if the trade was in doubt, which it appears it never was. The people who are going to eat the most sh*t were the leverage-truthers who were breathlessly anticipating the Jets giving up 13.

It’s, genuinely, been on the 1-yard line for weeks.  I think what fans of both teams are learning that this doesn’t, necessarily, mean that the one sticking point from getting it into the end zone was going to/will be dealt with imminently, as Rap put it.  They negotiated the sticking point, established their stances, dug in, with minimal communication other than “u blink 1st/no u.”  Now it’s the week of the draft, so they’ve both realized that they’re, probably, not going to “super-fleece” the other, so it’s time to compromise, finish the deal, because both sides want, and need, it done.

[Reasonable Jets Fan]

1 minute ago, Mogglez said:

It’s, genuinely, been on the 1-yard line for weeks.  I think fans are learning that this doesn’t, necessarily, mean the one sticking point from getting it into the end zone will be dealt with imminently, as Rap put it.  They negotiated the sticking point, established their stances, dug in, with minimal communication other than “u blink 1st/no u.”  Now it’s the week of the draft, so they’re both realizing they’re not going to “super-fleece” the other, so it’s time to compromise, finish the deal, because both sides want, and need, it done.

All the media leaks out of gb didn't scare woody and the jets management into giving up more to avoid the negative headlines... So in the end the deal will now move forward rather quickly I think... Now there is an immediate deadline on Thursday 

[whodeawhodat]

The leverage has always been with us until the draft. 

[Mogglez]

2 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said:

All the media leaks out of gb didn't scare woody and the jets management into giving up more to avoid the negative headlines... So in the end the deal will now move forward rather quickly I think... Now there is an immediate deadline on Thursday 

My hope is that it will be done before the draft.  That being said, if this came down to a draft day deal because a player GB really likes slid, so now they’re willing to move off of something so that they can negotiate a swap of #13 and #15, I wouldn’t be completely stunned.  Ultimately, I don’t believe that will be the case, I’m just saying that I wouldn’t put a hard deadline on anything just yet.

[T0mShane]

7 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

It’s, genuinely, been on the 1-yard line for weeks.  I think fans are learning that this doesn’t, necessarily, mean the one sticking point from getting it into the end zone will be dealt with imminently, as Rap put it.  They negotiated the sticking point, established their stances, dug in, with minimal communication other than “u blink 1st/no u.”  Now it’s the week of the draft, so they’re both realizing they’re not going to “super-fleece” the other, so it’s time to compromise, finish the deal, because both sides want, and need, it done.

Is the sticking point the conditional pick coming back from the Packers if/when Rodgers flakes out? 

[NIGHT STALKER]

This topic went from are we getting AR to what are we giving up...is this fan group ever going to be happy?  It's like we win the SB by a point or two and the complainers will come out saying we should have won by more...let's just get AR in here...period.  JD isn't giving up his right nut to get him...or his left.

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, derp said:

More or less than 43 and a 2024 second round pick that’s a first if the Jets play in the Super Bowl for Rodgers, 78, and a 2025 conditional pick from Green Bay that becomes a round less than the Jets’ 2024 pick they acquired if Rodgers doesn’t play in 2024?

I’s say if you took out the 72, then yes

[CTJetsFan]

2 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

My hope is that it will be done before the draft.  That being said, if this came down to a draft day deal because a player GB really likes slid, so now they’re willing to move off of something so that they can negotiate a swap of #13 and #15, I wouldn’t be completely stunned.  Ultimately, I don’t believe that will be the case, I’m just saying that I wouldn’t put a hard deadline on anything just yet.

I truly believe that a scenario like this (and a few others) is the reason this isn't official yet and may not be until Thursday night

[RutgersJetFan]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Is the sticking point the conditional pick coming back from the Packers if/when Rodgers flakes out? 

what twitter cant answer that one for you

[Dinamite]

14 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

It’s, genuinely, been on the 1-yard line for weeks.  I think what fans of both teams are learning that this doesn’t, necessarily, mean that the one sticking point from getting it into the end zone was going to/will be dealt with imminently, as Rap put it.  They negotiated the sticking point, established their stances, dug in, with minimal communication other than “u blink 1st/no u.”  Now it’s the week of the draft, so they’ve both realized that they’re, probably, not going to “super-fleece” the other, so it’s time to compromise, finish the deal, because both sides want, and need, it done.

Do you think it gets done before the draft? I am not sure a draft say is feasible because it seems like some cap maneuvers on both ends have to occur to facilitate the trade.

[Sammybighead]

9 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

My hope is that it will be done before the draft.  That being said, if this came down to a draft day deal because a player GB really likes slid, so now they’re willing to move off of something so that they can negotiate a swap of #13 and #15, I wouldn’t be completely stunned.  Ultimately, I don’t believe that will be the case, I’m just saying that I wouldn’t put a hard deadline on anything just yet.

Think this only plays out if JSN and 2 OTs the Jets like are available. Not impossible, but unlikely. 

[derp]

21 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I’s say if you took out the 72, then yes

So more. I'm curious who's driving the wanting this done before the draft. To me that trade's worth more than the same 2024 pick and a 2025 conditional pick depending on if he plays - which I imagine is what it is if it's postdraft. So I'd think there should be a pre-draft discount for the Jets. But I could be wrong.

[T0mShane]

23 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

what twitter cant answer that one for you

They took the blue checks away and now all my sources are compromised.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, derp said:

So more. I'm curious who's driving the wanting this done before the draft. To me that trade's worth more than the same 2024 pick and a 2025 conditional pick depending on if he plays - which I imagine is what it is if it's postdraft. So I'd think there should be a pre-draft discount for the Jets. But I could be wrong.

It’s such a weird situation because Green Bay can only give him to the Jets or try to keep him, so anything the Jets are offering is like a nominal charge for a rental on a HoF QB, but the flip side is that there’s a ton of pressure on Gutenkunst and LaFleur to show that they don’t suck without Rodgers. That said, I think the 2 + Conditional 2/1 +Corey Davis is fair(?), and that anything else coming back from the Packers is excessive. Why should the Packers take a hit if Rodgers only plays one year? That’s the Jets problem! 

[Green Ghost]

39 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said:

All the media leaks out of NY didn’t scare Gute and Packers management into caving in to avoid the negative headlines... So in the end the deal will now move forward rather quickly I think... Now there is an immediate deadline on Thursday 

^^^^ how Reasonable Packer Fan looks at this

[SickJetFan]

I think the hold up is maybe

1st in 2023

+Sauce

+GW

+Zach Wilson

1st in 2024

1st in 2025

is a little much for JD as he does not want to give them Zach

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Is the sticking point the conditional pick coming back from the Packers if/when Rodgers flakes out? 

From my understanding, it stems from the Jets offering a conditional pick, that can become a 1st, whereas GB wants a guaranteed 1st, with no conditions attached. The Jets made it clear that they’re not interested in guaranteeing anything, especially because of the possibility that it can only be a one year rental, and a pick going back to them came into discussion as negotiations on the 2024 pick(s) continued.  So now the Jets really want protection, as they’re, likely, going to have to change the original offer that both parties were comfortable with prior to Rodgers informing them both that he wants New York, to make it easier to bump the conditional pick up.  

Green Bay are, really, the ones that held this up.  The stories of Woody getting involved, or being “spooked”, I was told, were not true, and Green Bay decided, some time ago, after parameters were agreed to, that they wanted a pick without any conditions associated with it.

[Mogglez]

44 minutes ago, Dinamite said:

Do you think it gets done before the draft? I am not sure a draft say is feasible because it seems like some cap maneuvers on both ends have to occur to facilitate the trade.

Gun to my head?  Yes.  That has always been my feeling, but neither scenario would surprise me.

[derp]

15 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It’s such a weird situation because Green Bay can only give him to the Jets or try to keep him, so anything the Jets are offering is like a nominal charge for a rental on a HoF QB, but the flip side is that there’s a ton of pressure on Gutenkunst and LaFleur to show that they don’t suck without Rodgers. That said, I think the 2 + Conditional 2/1 +Corey Davis is fair(?), and that anything else coming back from the Packers is excessive. Why should the Packers take a hit if Rodgers only plays one year? That’s the Jets problem! 

I think it’s too much given the Packers really don’t have an alternative. There’s a scenario that the Jets don’t make the playoffs, Rodgers plays one year, and they give up 2023 and 2024 twos for that. Way too much.

Honestly I think 42/43 should be plenty for a guy who’s 39 and thinking about retiring. The Favre pick ranged from a one to a four and was a year out. I get the Packers wanting something this year to help Love or something that’s a potential one to save face, but I think both is excessive.

That’s why I threw out the 43/78 swap as an alternative - same value as 64 this year. Packers get something, Jets don’t lose a pick a year they just have six, and it’s basically like Moore was in the trade from the Jets’ standpoint.

[Dcat]

4 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

I don’t think they’re as desperate for ‘23 picks as guys here think. They want their perceived value for Rodgers.

They have a full slate of ‘23 picks already, not much cap space, and no real pressure or expectations to win this year.

So you believe they are fine with fielding an inadequate team with minimal improvement?  They are trying to save face on their mismanagement of Rodgers going back to the day they gave him his current contract.  And if Rodgers ends up playing here in 2023 in a deal made after the draft for '24 picks but no '23 picks, then the Green Bay GM is going to look like a fool. Not happening. 

[derp]

9 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

From my understanding, it stems from the Jets offering a conditional pick that can become a first vs GB wanting a guaranteed 1st, with no conditions attached. The Jets made it clear that they’re not interested in guaranteeing anything, especially because of the possibility that it can only be a one year rental, and a pick going back to them came into discussion as negotiations on the 2024 pick(s) continued.  So now the Jets really want protection, as they’re going to likely have to change the original offer that both parties were comfortable with prior to Rodgers informing them both that he wants New York, to make it easier to bump the conditional pick up.  

Green Bay are, really, the ones that held this up.  The stories of Woody getting involved, or being “spooked”, I was told, were not true, and Green Bay decided, some time ago, after parameters were agreed to, that they wanted a pick without any conditions associated with it.

Asking for guaranteed first round pick in 2024 plus stuff in 2023 for a player they don’t want and really can’t keep on the team is absolutely wild.

[Larz]

29 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

From my understanding, it stems from the Jets offering a conditional pick that can become a first vs GB wanting a guaranteed 1st, with no conditions attached. The Jets made it clear that they’re not interested in guaranteeing anything, especially because of the possibility that it can only be a one year rental, and a pick going back to them came into discussion as negotiations on the 2024 pick(s) continued.  So now the Jets really want protection, as they’re going to likely have to change the original offer that both parties were comfortable with prior to Rodgers informing them both that he wants New York, to make it easier to bump the conditional pick up.  

Green Bay are, really, the ones that held this up.  The stories of Woody getting involved, or being “spooked”, I was told, were not true, and Green Bay decided, some time ago, after parameters were agreed to, that they wanted a pick without any conditions associated with it.

Thanks. That explains how JD let woody take his jet to California and then wound up in a stand off. 

[Integrity28]

3 hours ago, JetPotato said:

The Knicks also use it as their alternate logo.

 

Done really fugly logos here. 

[Mogglez]

11 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

I don’t think they’re as desperate for ‘23 picks as guys here think. They want their perceived value for Rodgers.

They have a full slate of ‘23 picks already, not much cap space, and no real pressure or expectations to win this year.

They absolutely want picks this year.  If this goes past the draft, the Packers will be lucky to get a guaranteed 2nd and more in 2024.  There will be less teams that could even, potentially, get involved, and the Jets could just wait until the 11th hour for the financial constraints of the “Gutey masterclass” Rodgers contract to choke the Packers out.  That’s not even getting into the shenanigans Aaron can pull to force a trade to materialize.  

Sure, there aren’t traditional “expectations” for Green Bay to be what they’ve been the last few years, but you are absolutely kidding yourself if you think, for one second, that there is absolutely no chance that Gutenkust could be fired if they completely suck and Jordan Love doesn’t play well.  They passed on phenomenal skill position players in the 1st round, less than 24 hours from announcing that Aaron Rodgers, their HoF QB, who is one of the all-time greats, would be coming back.  All of that for a project QB, no less, when Rodgers had already publicly, and privately, expressed frustration over the front office not doing enough to put those skill positions on a pedestal, while they have a Super Bowl window open.  They want our 1st round pick next year, for the same reason we don’t want to give it up.  The 2024 QB class is shaping up to be a very strong QB class.  The Jets want to keep it, in the event Rodgers retires, or something goes awry this year (i.e. season ending injury), and Green Bay wants it, in the event that Jordan Love doesn’t look like he’s the goods.  The biggest difference between the two scenarios is that Joe Douglas is more likely to be the GM of his respective team, using that pick, should those scenarios play out.

[SickJetFan]

If this doesn’t happen b Friday night next big date for Green Bay is May 1st they have to decide on Jordan love 5th year option if they do they will commit over 60mil to qb position for 2023.   That’s crazy scratch for 1 position.

[Sammybighead]

7 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

They absolutely want picks this year.  If this goes past the draft, the Packers will be lucky to get a guaranteed 2nd and more in 2024.  There will be less teams that could even, potentially, get involved, and the Jets could just wait until the 11th hour for the financial constraints of the “Gutey masterclass” Rodgers contract to choke GB out.  That’s not even getting into the shenanigans Aaron can pull to force a trade to materialize.  

Sure, there are no tradition “expectations” for Green Bay to be what they’ve been the last few years, but you are absolutely kidding yourself if you think, for one second, that there is absolutely no chance that Gutenkust would be fired if they completely suck and Jordan Love doesn’t play well.  They passed on phenomenal skill position players in the 1st round, less than 24 hours from announcing that Aaron Rodgers, their HoF QB, who is one of the all-time greats, would be coming back.  All of that for a project QB, when Rodgers had already publicly, and privately, expressed frustration over the front office not doing enough to push those positions over the hump when they have a Super Bowl window open.  They want our 1st round pick next year for the same reason we don’t want to give it up.  2024 QB class is shaping up to be a very strong QB class.  The Jets want to keep it in the event Rodgers retires or something goes awry this year (i.e. season ending injury), and Green Bay wants it in the event that Jordan Love doesn’t look like he’s the goods.  The biggest difference between the two scenarios is that Joe Douglas is more likely to be the GM of his respective team, using that pick, should those scenarios play out.

Thanks @Mogglez

Question is, do you feel GB is just fishing until thr end of the shot clock or they gonna ride this stubbornness to the grave. 

I can't see JD relenting and giving up an unconditional 1st and if you ask anyone who really knows what they're talking about, it's GB being absurdly unreasonable in asking for a 1st rather than Jets trying to be cheap and lowball. 

Fact is, the jets are BEYOND generous giving a 2nd this year and 2nd next year if that's truly the deal. Again, this contract will be a huge anchor on our necks in 2024 and 2025. And these guys have the audacity to demand a 1st when we're bailing them out? 

[bla bla bla]

2 hours ago, Mogglez said:

It’s, genuinely, been on the 1-yard line for weeks.  I think what fans of both teams are learning that this doesn’t, necessarily, mean that the one sticking point from getting it into the end zone was going to/will be dealt with imminently, as Rap put it.  They negotiated the sticking point, established their stances, dug in, with minimal communication other than “u blink 1st/no u.”  Now it’s the week of the draft, so they’ve both realized that they’re, probably, not going to “super-fleece” the other, so it’s time to compromise, finish the deal, because both sides want, and need, it done.

I can live with giving up 1 of the seconds but man, I really think the Jets don't have to make a move before or during the draft. The Packers are the only ones who may NEED something to happen should they want 2023 picks (Packers currently have 10 picks)

Jets should use our picks for players around Rodgers, pick up negotiations after the draft. Offer the 2024 First if Green Bay eats a portion of that atrocious bonus that he has coming. IMO, Green Bay needs to offer us a trade more appealing than using all our picks on players to surround Rodgers.

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, Mogglez said:

From my understanding, it stems from the Jets offering a conditional pick, that can become a 1st, whereas GB wants a guaranteed 1st, with no conditions attached. The Jets made it clear that they’re not interested in guaranteeing anything, especially because of the possibility that it can only be a one year rental, and a pick going back to them came into discussion as negotiations on the 2024 pick(s) continued.  So now the Jets really want protection, as they’re, likely, going to have to change the original offer that both parties were comfortable with prior to Rodgers informing them both that he wants New York, to make it easier to bump the conditional pick up.  

Green Bay are, really, the ones that held this up.  The stories of Woody getting involved, or being “spooked”, I was told, were not true, and Green Bay decided, some time ago, after parameters were agreed to, that they wanted a pick without any conditions associated with it.

 

1 hour ago, derp said:

Asking for guaranteed first round pick in 2024 plus stuff in 2023 for a player they don’t want and really can’t keep on the team is absolutely wild.

Yeah, agreed. A non-conditional one is pretty rich. Hopefully the lesson they’ve learned over the past few weeks is that it’s Jets or nothing.

[Mogglez]

5 hours ago, Sammybighead said:

Thanks @Mogglez

Question is, do you feel GB is just fishing until thr end of the shot clock or they gonna ride this stubbornness to the grave. 

I can't see JD relenting and giving up an unconditional 1st and if you ask anyone who really knows what they're talking about, it's GB being absurdly unreasonable in asking for a 1st rather than Jets trying to be cheap and lowball. 

Fact is, the jets are BEYOND generous giving a 2nd this year and 2nd next year if that's truly the deal. Again, this contract will be a huge anchor on our necks in 2024 and 2025. And these guys have the audacity to demand a 1st when we're bailing them out? 

I think Green Bay has played this as poorly as any team in their situation could have possibly played it, and all the tangible evidence backs that up.  There were dozens of cap guys expressing that the longer this drags out, the more leverage (yes, I’m using that word) it gives Jets, because the contract, and the drafting of Jordan Love, created a timeline that conflicts with those two decisions.  Jason from OTC had a, particularly, fantastic video on the subject.  I refuse to believe that an NFL front office wasn’t privy to that information.  Obviously, the Jets ran into a little bit of luck, as well, in the sense that Rodgers only wants to play here, and the fact that he has the Packers by the balls because of how the payout of the contract was structured.  Additionally, they are fortunate that no other teams are interested in Aaron, or need him, outside of a team like SF, who Rodgers hates, and who Green Bay would never, realistically, do business with, due to the fact that they are an in-conference rival.  That makes their intentions here, hard to gauge.  Personally?  I think they underestimated Joe Douglas’ willingness to wait this out as long as he has.  That is, certainly, due to the fact that they hired a coordinator Aaron loves, and has familiarity with, so he doesn’t have to come in to learn a new offense, or get to know the coach(es). Rodgers can, and has, worked with some of his new WRs, so that’s not a concern either.  Now Green Bay is, probably, realizing that sooner would have been better than later.

On the Jets end?  I think Joe Douglas’ only gaffe was getting hammered at the WFAN event, and talking about the situation, in any capacity.  That being said, all that really did, in the grand scheme of things, was get the fans riled up and antsy, which isn’t nearly as bad as the consequences Green Bay have created for themselves.

[dbatesman]

Very excited to reach week 7 of This Week Is Definitely The Week The Rodgers Trade Gets Done

[slimjasi]

38 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I can live with giving up 1 of the seconds but man, I really think the Jets don't have to make a move before or during the draft. The Packers are the only ones who may NEED something to happen should they want 2023 picks (Packers currently have 10 picks)

Jets should use our picks for players around Rodgers, pick up negotiations after the draft. Offer the 2024 First if Green Bay eats a portion of that atrocious bonus that he has coming. IMO, Green Bay needs to offer us a trade more appealing than using all our picks on players to surround Rodgers.

I’m totally with you, but I suspect the packers will compromise before the draft. they have 10 picks, but I believe 7 of them are day 3, right? 
 

I think they are gonna want a premium pick in this draft. 

[jetswinbaby!]