This is going to be a disappointing season for some of you

Facts · August 16, 2023

And it's not so much the Jets fault, as it is the insane expectations that some of you have.

These are some of the comments I have read this past week:

"Best RB room in the NFL"

"Best D-line in the NFL"

"Best CB's in the NFL"

"Best roster in Jet's history"

Lots of insane comments.

We were 7-10 last season and lost 6 games in a row.

Coach: The same terrible rah-rah cliché BS coach we had last year.

QB: Aaron Rodgers is a Hall-Of-Famer and has brought respectability back to this franchise. For that, I thank him. I also think him for his leadership and his willingness to remove $30M+ from our books. However, he is also going to be turning 40 years old in a few months and one AFC Scout said in an interview with ESPN, "I think everyone is afraid to say he's declined a little". He also has to rely on an o-line that looks like dog crap (more on that below).

RB: Quite frankly I don't care about RB's. This isn't the 70's and 80's anymore. The best offenses run very little. Don't get confused by total rush attempts - you must remove QB rushes. For example, the best offenses in the NFL - Kansas City, Buffalo, Cincinnati, etc are all in the bottom 10 of rush play percentage. They literally only run the ball to give the WR's a break and keep the defense honest.

WR: Our starting WR's are the same exact as last years 7-10 team outside of Lazard whose best season ever was 60 receptions. Honestly I think this group is fine but it's certainly not a high-end group.

OL: Here is where the entire offense falls apart. The o-line sucks. I saw one tweet that said during training camp "if (defenders) could hit the quarterback, most drives would be "ending with sacks".

Defense: Great. But same defense we had with our 7-10 record last year.

I predict either 9-8 or 10-7 which will massively disappoint some of you who think this is some sort of super roster. With any luck we will get a coach next season that cares more about winning that making t-shirt worthy quotes.

Facts · August 16, 2023

Even a HOF'er can't win throwing 10 yard passes all the time.

Larz · August 16, 2023

Seems Legit Get Out GIF

thebuzzardman · August 16, 2023

These facts sound a lot like Opinions

Bowles Movement · August 16, 2023

My God you are really a miserable “fan”.

You must be a gas at parties.

Are you taking bets on their record?

Saul Goodman · August 16, 2023

There’s a ton of homers here. But you should (or maybe shouldn’t) see some of the posts on the Jets groups on Facebook. Most of them think we’re a lock for the Super Bowl, even seen some undefeated season predictions. And they are serious.

Beerfish · August 16, 2023

The op is totally correct on this one. We have potentially a really good team but one really weak position group can screw everything up.

The oline is like a house of cards in stiff breeze. All of our great skill on offense wont mean shi* if the oline falters.

C Mart · August 16, 2023

9 minutes ago, Facts said:

Even a HOF'er can't win throwing 10 yard passes all the time.

Robby Sabo @RobbySabo

Moral of the #Jets OL story: When there’s no AVT, it all falls apart. Was all downhill after Denver last year. No Laken or Duane = Jets we’re basically rolling with a second-team OL today. There’s no need for panic yet. Plus, OL can only truly be evaluated during live games (wholly). Remember the Tippmann panic just a couple of weeks ago. His example was a “planned” hold back rather than performance (which is often the deal for rookies), yet that really wasn’t the narrative. Kid is gonna be a stud; still has much to learn. It’ll take the first few weeks of the season for this OL to gel completely, for obvious reasons. Not ideal, but also, at this stage of the summer, it’s not yet time to panic.

Barry McCockinner · August 16, 2023

It's going to be especially difficult for people like you when we win the division and finish 13-4

FreddyGotFingered · August 16, 2023

I just want to beat New England and the Giants.

BornJetsFan1983 · August 16, 2023

6 minutes ago, Facts said:

And it's not so much the Jets fault, as it is the insane expectations that some of you have.

These are some of the comments I have read this past week:

"Best RB room in the NFL"

"Best D-line in the NFL"

"Best CB's in the NFL"

"Best roster in Jet's history"

Lots of insane comments.

We were 7-10 last season and lost 6 games in a row.

Coach: The same terrible rah-rah cliché BS coach we had last year.

QB: Aaron Rodgers is a Hall-Of-Famer and has brought respectability back to this franchise. For that, I thank him. I also think him for his leadership and his willingness to remove $30M+ from our books. However, he is also going to be turning 40 years old in a few months and one AFC Scout said in an interview with ESPN, "I think everyone is afraid to say he's declined a little". He also has to rely on an o-line that looks like dog crap (more on that below).

RB: Quite frankly I don't care about RB's. This isn't the 70's and 80's anymore. The best offenses run very little. Don't get confused by total rush attempts - you must remove QB rushes. For example, the best offenses in the NFL - Kansas City, Buffalo, Cincinnati, etc are all in the bottom 10 of rush play percentage. They literally only run the ball to give the WR's a break and keep the defense honest.

WR: Our starting WR's are the same exact as last years 7-10 team outside of Lazard whose best season ever was 60 receptions. Honestly I think this group is fine but it's certainly not a high-end group.

OL: Here is where the entire offense falls apart. The o-line sucks. I saw one tweet that said during training camp "if (defenders) could hit the quarterback, most drives would be "ending with sacks".

Defense: Great. But same defense we had with our 7-10 record last year.

I predict either 9-8 or 10-7 which will massively disappoint some of you who think this is some sort of super roster. With any luck we will get a coach next season that cares more about winning that making t-shirt worthy quotes.

not alot of facts here, just SOJF.

I mean you can see AR is not declined from our practices, but there you go. You dont care about RB's gotcha, WR are the same even though we now have G wilson. OL sucks because the backs play like back ups uh huh, DEF is good, yet you don't consider how with even a decent average offense how many more games we would have won, nor how many an AR led offense can win this year with that good def.

What a weird hill to make a stand. One day we will not have fans like you anymore. One day the SOJF will be a thing of the past, just as every other team who builds a winning culture eventually loses these types of fans.

Im an looking forward to it. NExt season there you will be pretending you weren't such a grouch and knew Rodgers and Douglas were great all along.

Ghost420 · August 16, 2023

Insufferable fanbase

Greenseed4 · August 16, 2023

Facts.

Greenseed4 · August 16, 2023

20 minutes ago, Facts said:

Coach: The same terrible rah-rah cliché BS coach we had last year.

We have a new offensive coordinator, and hired a new OL coach and passing game coordinator.

#facts

Greenseed4 · August 16, 2023

23 minutes ago, Facts said:

RB: Quite frankly I don't care about RB's. This isn't the 70's and 80's anymore. The best offenses run very little. Don't get confused by total rush attempts - you must remove QB rushes. For example, the best offenses in the NFL - Kansas City, Buffalo, Cincinnati, etc are all in the bottom 10 of rush play percentage. They literally only run the ball to give the WR's a break and keep the defense honest.

They literally run the ball to get yards/first downs/TDs.

#facts

UntouchableCrew · August 16, 2023

I'm glad you graduated from complaining and forecasting doom in every thread to starting a new threat to call out *checks notes* Jets fans everywhere.

OL is a real issue and has a chance to derail this season. Other than that there wasn't much substance to anything you said.

Greenseed4 · August 16, 2023

2 hours ago, Facts said:

WR: Our starting WR's are the same exact as last years 7-10 team outside of Lazard whose best season ever was 60 receptions. Honestly I think this group is fine but it's certainly not a high-end group.

Outside of Lazard, Hardman, Cobb, and whoever takes the WR6 spot (Brownlee, Gibson, Erickson, Taylor), without Moore, Mims, or Berrios.

Exactly the same, yes.

#facts

jgb · August 16, 2023

Subjective truth feels cozy enough as a shield for one’s own beliefs but it is a good deal less palatable as a cudgel in the hands of others defending theirs.

HighPitch · August 16, 2023

Why dont you offer arguments rather than being so vague?

For example: Best RB room in the NFL

that was me!

So tell me in your opinion who the 2 top rooms are? who is in those rooms? Because they aint better than ours

JetPotato · August 16, 2023

I am extraordinarily excited about the QB, RBs, WRs, DL and secondary.

I am extraordinarily worried that the OL will undermine all of it.

bd71 · August 16, 2023

The OL will be the downfall of this team unless Douglas makes a deal to improve it before the first game. Can’t run or pass if you can’t block. Football 101.

dbatesman · August 16, 2023

23 minutes ago, thebuzzardman said:

These facts sound a lot like Opinions

I actually agree with OP but damn if I didn't LOL at this

FloridaJetsFan · August 16, 2023

27 minutes ago, Facts said:

And it's not so much the Jets fault, as it is the insane expectations that some of you have.

These are some of the comments I have read this past week:

"Best RB room in the NFL"

"Best D-line in the NFL"

"Best CB's in the NFL"

"Best roster in Jet's history"

Lots of insane comments.

We were 7-10 last season and lost 6 games in a row.

Coach: The same terrible rah-rah cliché BS coach we had last year.

QB: Aaron Rodgers is a Hall-Of-Famer and has brought respectability back to this franchise. For that, I thank him. I also think him for his leadership and his willingness to remove $30M+ from our books. However, he is also going to be turning 40 years old in a few months and one AFC Scout said in an interview with ESPN, "I think everyone is afraid to say he's declined a little". He also has to rely on an o-line that looks like dog crap (more on that below).

RB: Quite frankly I don't care about RB's. This isn't the 70's and 80's anymore. The best offenses run very little. Don't get confused by total rush attempts - you must remove QB rushes. For example, the best offenses in the NFL - Kansas City, Buffalo, Cincinnati, etc are all in the bottom 10 of rush play percentage. They literally only run the ball to give the WR's a break and keep the defense honest.

WR: Our starting WR's are the same exact as last years 7-10 team outside of Lazard whose best season ever was 60 receptions. Honestly I think this group is fine but it's certainly not a high-end group.

OL: Here is where the entire offense falls apart. The o-line sucks. I saw one tweet that said during training camp "if (defenders) could hit the quarterback, most drives would be "ending with sacks".

Defense: Great. But same defense we had with our 7-10 record last year.

I predict either 9-8 or 10-7 which will massively disappoint some of you who think this is some sort of super roster. With any luck we will get a coach next season that cares more about winning that making t-shirt worthy quotes.

You SO remind me of Showtime from the movie "Champions." Keep doing the Big Balls dance and shooting the ball backwards, and over your head and I promise you - one day, you too shall hit the rim!!! Keep trying Showtime!!

Bronx · August 16, 2023

Greenseed4 · August 16, 2023

26 minutes ago, Facts said:

Defense: Great. But same defense we had with our 7-10 record last year.

Exactly the same. Except for Tony Adams/Adrian Amos taking over for Lamarcus Joyner, Al Woods and Quentin Jefferson coming in at DT, Will MacDonald IV being a first round pick, and drafting Zaire Barnes to compete with a handful of newcomers (Surrat, Johnson, Eguavoen, etc.) at LB.

#facts

Fidelio Bitonti · August 16, 2023

28 minutes ago, Facts said:

And it's not so much the Jets fault, as it is the insane expectations that some of you have.

These are some of the comments I have read this past week:

"Best RB room in the NFL"

"Best D-line in the NFL"

"Best CB's in the NFL"

"Best roster in Jet's history"

Lots of insane comments.

We were 7-10 last season and lost 6 games in a row.

Coach: The same terrible rah-rah cliché BS coach we had last year.

QB: Aaron Rodgers is a Hall-Of-Famer and has brought respectability back to this franchise. For that, I thank him. I also think him for his leadership and his willingness to remove $30M+ from our books. However, he is also going to be turning 40 years old in a few months and one AFC Scout said in an interview with ESPN, "I think everyone is afraid to say he's declined a little". He also has to rely on an o-line that looks like dog crap (more on that below).

RB: Quite frankly I don't care about RB's. This isn't the 70's and 80's anymore. The best offenses run very little. Don't get confused by total rush attempts - you must remove QB rushes. For example, the best offenses in the NFL - Kansas City, Buffalo, Cincinnati, etc are all in the bottom 10 of rush play percentage. They literally only run the ball to give the WR's a break and keep the defense honest.

WR: Our starting WR's are the same exact as last years 7-10 team outside of Lazard whose best season ever was 60 receptions. Honestly I think this group is fine but it's certainly not a high-end group.

OL: Here is where the entire offense falls apart. The o-line sucks. I saw one tweet that said during training camp "if (defenders) could hit the quarterback, most drives would be "ending with sacks".

Defense: Great. But same defense we had with our 7-10 record last year.

I predict either 9-8 or 10-7 which will massively disappoint some of you who think this is some sort of super roster. With any luck we will get a coach next season that cares more about winning that making t-shirt worthy quotes.

Finally somebody here with a clear head.

The world is on fire and time is short.

between global warming, crumbling infastructure and Covid20 I'm afraid we will never see 8 wins with this lousy team led by a 42 year old mushroom sucker.

Warfish · August 16, 2023

My expectations:

1. League average or better starting QB production.

2. Compete in every game, no blowout embarrassing losses.

3. Win enough to make the playoffs

4. Compete to the last whistle in any playoff games

Anything less than this is, IMO, an unacceptable outcome for 2023.

bitonti · August 16, 2023

17 minutes ago, Ghost420 said:

Insufferable fanbase

i think you meant to type "long suffering" fanbase

sciond · August 16, 2023

34 minutes ago, Facts said:

And it's not so much the Jets fault, as it is the insane expectations that some of you have.

These are some of the comments I have read this past week:

"Best RB room in the NFL"

"Best D-line in the NFL"

"Best CB's in the NFL"

"Best roster in Jet's history"

Lots of insane comments.

We were 7-10 last season and lost 6 games in a row.

Coach: The same terrible rah-rah cliché BS coach we had last year.

QB: Aaron Rodgers is a Hall-Of-Famer and has brought respectability back to this franchise. For that, I thank him. I also think him for his leadership and his willingness to remove $30M+ from our books. However, he is also going to be turning 40 years old in a few months and one AFC Scout said in an interview with ESPN, "I think everyone is afraid to say he's declined a little". He also has to rely on an o-line that looks like dog crap (more on that below).

RB: Quite frankly I don't care about RB's. This isn't the 70's and 80's anymore. The best offenses run very little. Don't get confused by total rush attempts - you must remove QB rushes. For example, the best offenses in the NFL - Kansas City, Buffalo, Cincinnati, etc are all in the bottom 10 of rush play percentage. They literally only run the ball to give the WR's a break and keep the defense honest.

WR: Our starting WR's are the same exact as last years 7-10 team outside of Lazard whose best season ever was 60 receptions. Honestly I think this group is fine but it's certainly not a high-end group.

OL: Here is where the entire offense falls apart. The o-line sucks. I saw one tweet that said during training camp "if (defenders) could hit the quarterback, most drives would be "ending with sacks".

Defense: Great. But same defense we had with our 7-10 record last year.

I predict either 9-8 or 10-7 which will massively disappoint some of you who think this is some sort of super roster. With any luck we will get a coach next season that cares more about winning that making t-shirt worthy quotes.

SOJF

Jared · August 16, 2023

I'm a Pats fan, and not here to start a fight, but OP's points remind me of some I've been making with regards to the Pats and their season / the AFC East as a whole. I think fans of every team in the AFC East have things they can be optimistic about, but most of the teams also have some very real flaws or at least question marks. It would not surprise me to see the worst team in the division still win 8+ games. They could also win 5 or 6. The best team in the division might win 15 games. But they might also win only 11.

I think all the teams in the AFC East are a lot closer together than talking heads want to give people credit for. Even the vaunted Bills still needed two kick returns for TDs last year to beat a dysfunctional Patriots team in what otherwise was a one score game for most of it.

Should be make for an exciting season (assuming nothing crazy like another Tua concussion), but I agree with OP: a lot of people who are buying hype are going to get really annoyed with how things turn out.

y2k8 · August 16, 2023

If this season is disappointing, I have 40+ years of experience in dealing with it.

jgb · August 16, 2023

5 minutes ago, Warfish said:

My expectations:

1. League average or better starting QB production.

2. Compete in every game, no blowout embarrassing losses.

3. Win enough to make the playoffs

4. Compete to the last whistle in any playoff games

Anything less than this is, IMO, an unacceptable outcome for 2023.

If they don’t make the playoffs heads should roll

Fidelio Bitonti · August 16, 2023

2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

My expectations:

1. League average or better starting QB production.

2. Compete in every game, no blowout embarrassing losses.

3. Win enough to make the playoffs

4. Compete to the last whistle in any playoff games

Anything less than this is, IMO, an unacceptable outcome for 2023.

inflated expectations...... try this:

1. the mushroom plays at least 3 full games

2. a maximum of only 12 embarrassing blowouts. or a combination of a maximum of 12 blowouts/ 4th qtr collapses

3. lose enough games to pick in the top 5

4. ruin at least one teams playoff chance week 17

WeCantDraftGoodQBs · August 16, 2023

After watching last year's OL debacle, I've been worried and commenting since the spring about our OL and specifically our OTs. Yes, I knew Rodgers was a great QB but I had never watched a lot of him through the years. So when a lot of guys wrote AR doesn't need a good OL because he has such a quick release it did make me feel a little better.

And after actually getting to watch Rodgers a little bit during this preseason I think he might be one of the best QBs we could have ever gotten to play for us at this point in time. He definitely has the quick release, but he is also a super-smart QB who knows exactly when and where to get rid of the ball when there is pressure. Like today our OL is allowing too much pressure and guys have been getting to AR way too quickly (because we have backups playing for our starters), AR knows to take what the defense is giving him and throws a lot of short 10 yrd passes, instead of trying to hold it too long or force it into coverage and risk turning it over.

Of course, I would love for us to have an OT like we did in the past like a D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Marvin Powell, or Winston Hill, but I am hoping that Rodgers might be good enough to still get us into the playoffs (for the first time in 13 years) without having a pro bowl OT on our line. I'm going to keep my "glass is half full" outlook because with AR we are definitely not the same old Jets this year.

Barry McCockinner · August 16, 2023

2 minutes ago, jgb said:

If they don’t make the playoffs heads should roll

I don't see it happening after the Rodgers trade. Rodgers committed to this coaching staff and GM.

You think Woody risks sending Rodgers to retirement after one season? I don't see it.

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