The Jets cuts and notable cuts thread

[Jethead]

38 minutes ago, usapaw said:

Well, you are not wrong. JD is way overrated on this board. If it all works out and they win a lot of games and get to the playoffs, all will be forgiven. If it's a failure; he's done. He has had some great picks and some absolutely god awful high round picks.

Top to bottom,  this is the best roster the Jets have ever had. I guess it's an accident.

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

48 minutes ago, usapaw said:

Well, you are not wrong. JD is way overrated on this board. If it all works out and they win a lot of games and get to the playoffs, all will be forgiven. If it's a failure; he's done. He has had some great picks and some absolutely god awful high round picks.

Can’t see JD getting fired even if they miss the playoffs. Saleh on the other hand…. 

[Beerfish]

Douglas and Saleh are both totally safe this year and going into next year no matter what.

[Bleedin Green]

7 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Can’t see JD getting fired even if they miss the playoffs. Saleh on the other hand…. 

Firing Saleh and keeping JD would be even dumber than firing Bowles and keeping Maccagnan, which is saying a lot.

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

1 minute ago, Bleedin Green said:

Firing Saleh and keeping JD would be even dumber than firing Bowles and keeping Maccagnan, which is saying a lot.

How so? On paper JD has put a good team together. He has done his job  

It’s up to saleh to make it work. Everyone is expecting playoffs. If we fall short it will be salehs head on a platter.  

[Bungaman]

55 minutes ago, usapaw said:

Well, you are not wrong. JD is way overrated on this board. If it all works out and they win a lot of games and get to the playoffs, all will be forgiven. If it's a failure; he's done. He has had some great picks and some absolutely god awful high round picks.

I think it would be hard to find five GMs in the league who have had a better hit rate over the same time period, IMHO. He is getting better at his job, and the best franchises and front offices benefit from continuity. The last thing this team needs is another house cleaning. Same goes for Saleh. His team plays hard for him, and there's minimal drama or sniping in the locker room from the most important players, which is important over a long season. Do we want to emulate a team like Pittsburgh, or one like Houston?

 

[bostonmajet]

This is the most excited I have been for the start of the Jets season in a long, long time. AR looks great. The D will likely be better than last year now that the O can score and they can pin their ears back. Why are we discussing firing JD and Saleh?

[Bleedin Green]

18 minutes ago, Jethead said:

Top to bottom,  this is the best roster the Jets have ever had. I guess it's an accident.

That's certainly the hope, but very premature.  The truth is, as of today, CB is the only unit on the team that could possibly be argued today as in contention for the best the Jets have ever had.  Most of the other units on this team are highly dependent on unproven potential and/or career turnarounds.

In truth, the one thing everyone is counting on to change the rest of the team is Rodgers, which is exactly where we need this current remake of the Jets 2008 season to start looking significantly different from the original.

[bostonmajet]

1 minute ago, Bleedin Green said:

That's certainly the hope, but very premature.  The truth is, as of today, CB is the only unit on the team that could possibly be argued today as in contention for the best the Jets have ever had.  Most of the other units on this team are highly dependent on unproven potential and/or career turnarounds.

In truth, the one thing everyone is counting on to change the rest of the team is Rodgers, which is exactly where we need this current remake of the Jets 2008 season to start looking significantly different from the original.

First top to bottom implies the roster as a whole - not picking one unit against another year's same unit.

While I agree that we have had some good rosters in the pas - there is no questions that the CBs, DLs, and start QB are the best we have seen for quite a while. Sure the NY Sack Exchange was damn good, but what did that teams DBs and QB look like. Either way, can we just enjoy the euphoria until at least the first game?

[Bleedin Green]

7 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

How so? On paper JD has put a good team together. He has done his job  

It’s up to saleh to make it work. Everyone is expecting playoffs. If we fall short it will be salehs head on a platter.  

It isn't though.  JD's first 3 years on the job were an unmitigated disaster, it's just that so many around here fell in love for him from day one they have refused to admit it and made nothing but excuses.  At this point he's gotten to hang his hat on 2 picks in last year's top 10 and little else in the draft beyond that.  MC2 is literally the only player outside of top picks who has yet contributed anything on the field.

JD's praying that Rodgers is going to cover up his laundry list of past failures.  If it happens then the gamble will have paid off and he'll certainly stick around, no argument there.  However, if the move doesn't pay off, JD is the very first one who needs to pay the price, not still making excuses after 5 years failing at the job and blaming others for not making chicken salad out of the chicken sh*t he's continually been feeding everyone so far.

[T0mShane]

You know the Patriots are in a good place when they’re trading for multiple bottom of the barrel offensive linemen a week before the season starts

[Bleedin Green]

8 minutes ago, bostonmajet said:

First top to bottom implies the roster as a whole - not picking one unit against another year's same unit.

While I agree that we have had some good rosters in the pas - there is no questions that the CBs, DLs, and start QB are the best we have seen for quite a while. Sure the NY Sack Exchange was damn good, but what did that teams DBs and QB look like. Either way, can we just enjoy the euphoria until at least the first game?

100% totally fair on the bold, but I'll freely admit I cannot help myself when seeing any prepping of excuses or scapegoat of choice if things go south.

In the end QB is really the big one of this all.  Rodgers's history undoubtedly says he can easily be the Jets best QB by an insanely wide margin, but whether that comes to fruition is the big question.

Perhaps this team has just burned me a few thousand too many times for me to give them any benefit of the doubt anymore lol.

[Maxman]

21 minutes ago, bostonmajet said:

This is the most excited I have been for the start of the Jets season in a long, long time. AR looks great. The D will likely be better than last year now that the O can score and they can pin their ears back. Why are we discussing firing JD and Saleh?

People talk about the strangest things. If the Jets implode Saleh could be fair game conceivably. But even if the Jets implode Douglas isn't going anywhere.

The truth of the matter is, neither is going anywhere. This team is solid and has depth at most positions.

Fandom is a strange thing these days.

[NIGHT STALKER]

This duo isn't going anywhere...this is really the first year under Douglas and Saleh as well that resembles a solid football team...the rosters prior were nothing more than glorified practice squads.  Anyway, in order for this team to get into the playoffs, they must be cohesive in all three phases (that can take a few games to jell) and more importantly, injuries to a minimum.  Some of you guys forget the other teams that wanted Saleh to coach their team...this is truly is his first year with what looks like a solid roster.

[Bleedin Green]

3 minutes ago, Maxman said:

People talk about the strangest things. If the Jets implode Saleh could be fair game conceivably. But even if the Jets implode Douglas isn't going anywhere.

The truth of the matter is, neither is going anywhere. This team is solid and has depth at most positions.

Fandom is a strange thing these days.

Douglas hired Saleh and has his hands on all of the past 4 years and this 5th to come, including having to rebuild his own rebuild.  Don't get me wrong, as long as things don't go south, I'm totally fine with them both keeping their jobs, but there is absolutely no circumstances that would justify Douglas getting himself another head coach hire unless we're talking many years from now following a string of success.

The fan hype has been nowhere close to reality with JD throughout his time on the job.  Having 2 top 10 picks last year is could very well be the thing that saved his job from already possibly being lost, but he still needs to keep things up at a faster pace to make up for his own many past flubs.

[Skeptable]

11 minutes ago, Maxman said:

People talk about the strangest things. If the Jets implode Saleh could be fair game conceivably. But even if the Jets implode Douglas isn't going anywhere.

The truth of the matter is, neither is going anywhere. This team is solid and has depth at most positions.

Fandom is a strange thing these days.

This site proves that there is a strong contingent of fans that are just miserable.

Nothing is ever right, everything anybody does is the worst,

No draft picks can take time to develop they are either stars or busts after 1 year maybe 2 if they are feeling extra forgiving,

Saleh is a cheerleader,

JD is overrated, and isn't allowed to take credit for fan slam dunks yet Drake London and Stingley were chosen by other team's GM's before JD,

AR and Cook are on the decline,

the OL can't improve even with a HOF QB,

The third string defense is getting torched in preseason and are a disaster,

Zach Wilson doesn't look like a stud and should be traded away for a 4th rounders and pick up the Cowboys scrub that will get cut because he torched a bunch of future cuts.

The main RB is coming off injury and JD only drafted a 4th round RB and brought in a declining stud.

The WR position is bottom of the league because if they lose a bunch of guys they only have no name WRs and a bunch of old friends to throw to.

The TE position is terrible because noone can catch.

Because the Jets are going for the superbowl they need 2 teams of allstar players or else they are going to fall apart.

This team cannot develop players, they can only bring in proven players in their prime or else its a terrible addition.

Jets should trade all the leftovers for a pro-bowl OL or else its going to end the season...

 

I think I got 95% of the problems... They love their misery.

Once the Jets win the Superbowl (whenever that is), they will complain over the cap room or how X- player should have been extended or losing X-coach is going to be the worst thing ever to happen to the franchise...

They will never change and always try to bring everyone down.

****'em.... Let them root in misery.

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

27 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

It isn't though.  JD's first 3 years on the job were an unmitigated disaster, it's just that so many around here fell in love for him from day one they have refused to admit it and made nothing but excuses.  At this point he's gotten to hang his hat on 2 picks in last year's top 10 and little else in the draft beyond that.  MC2 is literally the only player outside of top picks who has yet contributed anything on the field.

JD's praying that Rodgers is going to cover up his laundry list of past failures.  If it happens then the gamble will have paid off and he'll certainly stick around, no argument there.  However, if the move doesn't pay off, JD is the very first one who needs to pay the price, not still making excuses after 5 years failing at the job and blaming others for not making chicken salad out of the chicken sh*t he's continually been feeding everyone so far.

I think jds first draft was horrible. I think he’s been getting better every year since. His 2nd draft was not great either but still produced a good cb in Michael Carter and AVT who is probably our best lineman. Last years draft was epic, maybe our best draft in franchise history.  He has also made some smart FA signings and trades throughout the years. 

I think our roster is in pretty good shape. That’s all thanks to JD. Not saying we don’t have some flaws. But the team he inherited was a complete dumpster fire.

[Joe W. Namath]

The disease is now going after douglas and saleh.  This board is at a truly horrific point.  Id start closing threads and banning people.  We are on the cusp of greatest and the disease has infected this board.  It is awful.

[Bleedin Green]

4 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

I think jds first draft was horrible. I think he’s been getting better every year since. His 2nd draft was not great either but still produced a good cb in Michael Carter and AVT who is probably our best lineman. Last years draft was epic, maybe our best draft in franchise history.  He has also made some smart FA signings and trades throughout the years. 

I think our roster is in pretty good shape. That’s all thanks to JD. Not saying we don’t have some flaws. But the team he inherited was a complete dumpster fire.

All totally fair points, and this year's is definitely the best the team since JD's been here, there's no doubt about that.  But there's just a lot of advance excuse-making by some for who else should have predetermined fault if things go wrong, excluding the guy with the top (football-focused) job who has been here the longest.  It's 100% confirmation bias for JD being looked for there.

To be clear, I don't even think this year is going to go bad short of the injury bug getting them too hard (as I think everyone would agree, depth is a concern at numerous positions).  There's also more than a few positions dependent on young, unproven guys or some coming back from injury, so the returns may not be as immediate as we'd all hope.  However, once the games start I will admittedly be blindly rooting for this team despite it all, and that includes everyone across all sides of the team, be it front office, coaches, or even down to whichever player happens to do the most stupid crap on the field this year.

Here's hoping none of us will have any reason whatsoever to even wonder where it went wrong.

[Rangers9]

James Robinson who had a good game for the Giants on Sat and had a burst that he didn't have when he was with us was cut by Giants on Sunday. 

[Smashmouth]

5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

He is very bad

Is he Hardman bad ?

[Warfish]

2 hours ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Can’t see JD getting fired even if they miss the playoffs.

"Miss the playoffs" is a bit broad.  11-6 and miss, yeah, I get ya.  6-11, not so much.

Keep in mind, JD will be a lame duck in 2024.  Owners very rarely let a GM operate as a lame duck.

So it's not really a question of fire/status quo.

It's multi-year extension vs. firing.

[Warfish]

59 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

The disease is now going after douglas and saleh.  This board is at a truly horrific point.  Id start closing threads and banning people.  We are on the cusp of greatest and the disease has infected this board.  It is awful.

This type of repetitive over-the-top persona-schtick wasn't good when SAR I did it, and you sir, are no SAR I.

[Joejet]

It’s amazing how the same people hijack every thread and discuss anything except what the thread was started for. Anyone looking for cut news will be sadly disappointed that they have to read through two pages of fire everyone but nothing about cuts. 

[MichaelScott]

3 hours ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

How so? On paper JD has put a good team together. He has done his job  

It’s up to saleh to make it work. Everyone is expecting playoffs. If we fall short it will be salehs head on a platter.  

Because there are absolutely glaring holes in this roster and that IS 100% on JD. 

I'm not defending Saleh. He hasn't accomplished anything as far as I'm concerned. But if this team falls flat, the potential reasons for it happening DO matter and there are some scenarios that would absolutely be on JD and he would have to answer for himself 

 

[Dunnie]

... Why are we discussing firing JD and Saleh?

New here ???

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[JohnnyLV]

5 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Douglas and Saleh are both totally safe this year and going into next year no matter what.

 Boy I don't know. 5-12 and things could go sour. And with out schedule that is possible.

[Beerfish]

38 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said:

 Boy I don't know. 5-12 and things could go sour. And with out schedule that is possible.

If we go 5-12 there will be a reason for it, such as injuries and they will be of the hook.  Even with the sched this is at least a .500 team worse case.

[T0mShane]

7 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

The disease is now going after douglas and saleh.  This board is at a truly horrific point.  Id start closing threads and banning people.  We are on the cusp of greatest and the disease has infected this board.  It is awful.

@JiF

[Cyberjet]

I guess Saleh and Douglas are notable cuts

[More Cowbell]

On 8/27/2023 at 4:31 AM, Bronx said:

Joe Douglas should be pardoned, the Lance pick trumps the dismal Wilson's pick. 

Just because someone sucks worse than Zach doesn't  give you a pass for taking a mega bust. 

[More Cowbell]

20 hours ago, Larz said:

If Rogers gets hurt and we are playing the UPS Browns with Zach leading us, we are set. 

[JiFtheOracle]

37 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

@JiF

[JohnnyLV]

3 hours ago, Beerfish said:

If we go 5-12 there will be a reason for it, such as injuries and they will be of the hook.  Even with the sched this is at least a .500 team worse case.

Not saying it WILL happen but we could play well our first 10 games and go 2-8. It's just insanely brutal. If we start losing it can all spiral out of control.  But the remaining 7 should all be winnable. If we can be 6-4 after 10 we might get the #1 seed. If we are 2-9 players may just bail and we finish 5-12

[GandWFan]

22 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said:

Not saying it WILL happen but we could play well our first 10 games and go 2-8. It's just insanely brutal. If we start losing it can all spiral out of control.  But the remaining 7 should all be winnable. If we can be 6-4 after 10 we might get the #1 seed. If we are 2-9 players may just bail and we finish 5-12

And what would happen if we are 8-2?