Ulrich Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Will McDonald, time show up & show out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherwiseHappyinLife Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 9 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Incentives means he doesn't get it as base pay. You don't know what he's actually going to get because you don't know if he's going to miss half the season like he did the only time he was put up against every-snap playing time. I don't wish him ill-will just so the Jets come out on top - my preference would be for them to have locked him up a year ago instead of re-upping ****ing Lawson who was an obvious player to cut even before drafting McDonald - but no one was giving the Jets a day 1-2 pick just for the privilege of outbidding the franchise tag amount. They certainly weren't getting a pick from anyone while they're all in a mad rush to sign untagged FAs, and in the meantime the Jets have to have Huff carry essentially 100% of their current cap room. Crying fans' fantasies aside, the reality is most guys who are tagged never find trading partners. The last guy who got a pick anywhere in the round 1-2 range was Orlando Brown 4 seasons ago, and he was an every-game/every-down player (never missed a game) who played most of the prior season at LT for the Ravens. Huff once started half a season, two years ago, and he missed most of the season to injury when he did. It would've been yet another stupid Douglas move to tag him. I think some teams might have given a 4th rounder for the same $17M per year LONG TERM deal that Philly just signed him to. Why wouldn't they recognizing they had a strong chance of losing him if he became a free agent. Maybe those discussions took place .. maybe they didn't go anywhere because Huff told the Jets he wouldn't negotiate in a sign and trade deal and the Jets didn't have any cap flexibility to wait until the Summer tag and trade deadline. Who knows? Davante Adams was tagged and traded 2 years ago for a 1st and 2nd rounder even when GB didn't have cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, Warfish said: It seemed quite obvious JD wasn't very interested in retaining Huff, especially with his recent high-value investments in 1st round draft pick Edges. So no shock hearing this news at all. Entirely expected. As with everything this offseason, we'll just have to see how it works out. We drafted McDonald and JJ in back to back years. Anyone thinking we’d retain him was la la land. At 17ish a year, if the jets wanted him, they could have had him. It’ll be a bummer watching him play else where but good players leave teams every year, it just doesn’t happen to us very frequently because nobody ever pans out. Good for huff. He deserved every penny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, extmenace said: We drafted McDonald and JJ in back to back years. Anyone thinking we’d retain him was la la land. At 17ish a year, if the jets wanted him, they could have had him. It’ll be a bummer watching him play else where but good players leave teams every year, it just doesn’t happen to us very frequently because nobody ever pans out. Good for huff. He deserved every penny. Good players leave good teams. Poor teams like the Jets who are in the middle of trying to shortcut to a Super Bowl with Rodgers (which is fine) franchise tag their best pass rusher so they have him for their run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, Matt39 said: You franchise tag him and say now’s you can’t leave This is the best use of $21MM on the 2024 Jets, while they currently have about $21MM in cap space? They badly need 2-3 starting offensive linemen and a starting WR. The position groups where the team doesn't have a major-dollar starter need: DL, CB, QB, and RB. The team can't restructure him if he's tagged, and he may yet hold out until the summer like lots of tagged players do, possibly through the end of the summer if he's really that pissed, which limits his value when the season starts and increases his likelihood of injury. He'd have no trade value at that $21MM figure, seeing how he couldn't get a guaranteed rate higher than $17MM as a free agent that required no picks, and also tagging a player who absolutely wants off the team & has a chip on his shoulder about it would be foolishness imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said: Johnson's trajectory replaces Huff and McDonald or some other guy they think they can coach up replaces '23 Johnson. It's not as preposterous a plan as being made out here. The Jets have been a dumpster fire but the one single area they've earned some grace on here is how they have managed the pass rush. JJ seems more Calvin Pace where Huff seemed more Johnny Abe. MacDonald is an unknown, except for car jump thing. I do agree the Pass rush has been best it's been in forever since they got here, but I can't help but think this move turns it to crap like everything else. Might be a me problem, but not so sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrich Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 26 minutes ago, slats said: It will be interesting to see how he performs in his new home. That’s clearly starter money, and starting is what he wanted to do. His real claim to fame is his pass rushing efficiency, which the Jets maximized by playing him almost exclusively on obvious passing downs. We’ll see how he does when rather than resting, he’s out on the field getting worn down in the running game. Jets coaching staff has a ton of issues, but not when it comes to developing defense. I suspect the hysteria here will dissipate when he’s not putting up similar pass rush numbers in a full time role. Bzzzt, wrong. Eagles are one of the premier organizations in the league. They forget more about football every second than any of us will ever know. They're not stupid. They're not going to run Huff in to the ground. They paid him for what he does best - assassinate the pocket. That costs big-time money, starter money. They got a bargain for a player who can do that in his prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Huff wanted to go off to a team where he would be more than a part time player. The Jets can't afford to pay full time starter pay to a part time player. Maybe JD blew it last year not getting the trade but who knows what kind of offers were out there. Who wants to burn a first or second day pick on a player who might leave at the end of the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 joe is terrible he spends on lazzard and c davis lol lets an actual quality player leave..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 59 minutes ago, JetPotato said: This isn't going to be as bad as most of you seem to think. Huff's not going to be worth that money and the defense is going to be fine. Fans that are used to watching an offense average < 10 pts per game tend to overvalue decent DL players... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 3 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said: I think some teams might have given a 4th rounder for the same $17M per year LONG TERM deal that Philly just signed him to. Why wouldn't they recognizing they had a strong chance of losing him if he became a free agent. Maybe those discussions took place .. maybe they didn't go anywhere because Huff told the Jets he wouldn't negotiate in a sign and trade deal and the Jets didn't have any cap flexibility to wait until the Summer tag and trade deadline. Who knows? Davante Adams was tagged and traded 2 years ago for a 1st and 2nd rounder even when GB didn't have cap space. There's no basis for this belief, though, and Huff's likely upcoming holdout would kill any negotiating position a tagging team might have had if they did tag him. You're right about Adams, though. I forgot about him, but Green Bay tagged him and assumed he'd sign a long term deal with them, which they did offer. The Jets have no such basis for believing Huff would sign an extension here, as he's flatly stated he wanted to play in a different defense that didn't rotate DL like him and turned down any/all offers Douglas would've made through the 2nd half of last season when they finally got serious about talking extensions. Also Adams was a 1st team all-pro, unlike Huff who's been a situational pass rusher. Even still, it's a rarity for tagged players to get traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 7 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: This is the best use of $21MM on the 2024 Jets, while they currently have about $21MM in cap space? They badly need 2-3 starting offensive linemen and a starting WR. The position groups where the team doesn't have a major-dollar starter need: DL, CB, QB, and RB. The team can't restructure him if he's tagged, and he may yet hold out until the summer like lots of tagged players do, possibly through the end of the summer if he's really that pissed, which limits his value when the season starts and increases his likelihood of injury. He'd have no trade value at that $21MM figure, seeing how he couldn't get a guaranteed rate higher than $17MM as a free agent that required no picks, and also tagging a player who absolutely wants off the team & has a chip on his shoulder about it would be foolishness imo. This just tells me Douglas should have been fired a long time ago. He spent on a receiver last year and blew it. The linemen he brought in have all sucked. The best pass rusher just walks? Ludicrous. Restructure contracts. Figure it out. Douglas makes enough money to problem solve here. Don’t over complicate this and tell me we need to sign a guard so letting Huff walk is actually smart. Come on lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 lol, man the jets suck at this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 44 minutes ago, Columbia Jet Fan said: Plus... we may not even get a comp pick for him! If we sign Tyron Smith or Calvin Ridley wouldn't we just get zero for Huff? That's not entirely how it works Huff is considered a CFA compensatory free agent and the league grades these players based on APY$ and honors like Pro Bowls So Huff is making 18M APY and doesn't make the pro bowl let's say he is worth a 4th The Jets can lose 4 total guys, sign 3 guys and still have the 4th rd for Huff The Bills with Trumaine Johnson is a similar example https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks (look at the 2024 tab) if Tyron Smith or Ridley makes Huff money that would be a surprise and it would be an even bigger surprise if the Jets were the ones paying that money (Tyron Smith has absolutely no interest in playing for the NYJ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Matt39 said: This just tells me Douglas should have been fired a long time ago. He spent on a receiver last year and blew it. The linemen he brought in have all sucked. The best pass rusher just walks? Ludicrous. how is this a surprise tho everyone's all mad today this was coming for months and months 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.GANGGREEN28 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, Untouchable said: I thought people wanted to improve the OL and add another receiver? That becomes exponentially harder when you’re tagging Huff for $21 million. Yeah I mean it’s kind of a lose lose situation. JD backed the Jets into a corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJIII Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Fúckin LOOSER mentality organization! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 8 minutes ago, extmenace said: We drafted McDonald and JJ in back to back years. Anyone thinking we’d retain him was la la land. At 17ish a year, if the jets wanted him, they could have had him. It’ll be a bummer watching him play else where but good players leave teams every year, it just doesn’t happen to us very frequently because nobody ever pans out. Good for huff. He deserved every penny. Does this not tell you this team thinks they have a rotational pass rusher? They drafted a very similar player in McDonald. Retaining Huff would mean this team does not have any confidence in McDonald. letting him walk should be a reason for optimism. He was drafted in the first round ,before we start crying about losing Huff, let’s see how his replacement does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 c'mon. that seems like crazy money for a part time player. yes he made plays and that can't be understated but he was only in for about 40% of the snap counts. not exactly a large amount considering this is supposed to be a pass happy league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Matt39 said: This just tells me Douglas should have been fired a long time ago. He spent on a receiver last year and blew it. The linemen he brought in have all sucked. The best pass rusher just walks? Ludicrous. I'm certainly no great fan of Douglas's, but if you start the clock in 2024 (or even November, 2023) as may are viewing his non-signing/non-tagging, this was the inevitable ending to the team's relationship with the UDFA (whom Douglas signed in the first place). Would I rather they paid Huff $17MM than CJ Mosley? Duh, yes. Would I rather they paid Huff $21MM on the franchise tag that puts them in a bigger bind as they seek starters a 4 high-dollar positions (OLx3 plus WR), only one of which can wait until the draft? No, I would not. Douglas is in the situation he's in now, in March of 2024, not the situation he was in this time in March of 2023. He drafted McDonald, and now he's going to have to see the results of that pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 17 minutes ago, Ulrich said: Will McDonald, time show up & show out 6 sacks on 25% of D snaps/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, extmenace said: Does this not tell you this team thinks they have a rotational pass rusher? They drafted a very similar player in McDonald. Retaining Huff would mean this team does not have any confidence in McDonald. letting him walk should be a reason for optimism. He was drafted in the first round ,before we start crying about losing Huff, let’s see how his replacement does. The Jets are on a ONE year plan because of who the QB is. That’s all that matters. You don’t forecast anymore. You bring back your best current pass rusher. The forecasting period went bye bye after you blew the Wilson and Becton picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 7 minutes ago, bitonti said: how is this a surprise tho everyone's all mad today this was coming for months and months Because tagging him was the simple solution 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 7 minutes ago, Ulrich said: Bzzzt, wrong. Eagles are one of the premier organizations in the league. They forget more about football every second than any of us will ever know. They're not stupid. They're not going to run Huff in to the ground. They paid him for what he does best - assassinate the pocket. That costs big-time money, starter money. They got a bargain for a player who can do that in his prime. The Eagles GM and coach are both on hot seats. Not only did they lose to the Jets last year for the first time in NFL history, but the team collapsed in epic fashion down the stretch. I get that moves like this get their fans’ panties all moist and musty, but they’ve also committed like $90M over three years for a part time pass rusher and a RB in the first hours of free agency. Good friend of mine is an Eagles fan, and I enjoy rooting against the jints, but these moves smell more of desperation than genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Matt39 said: The Jets are on a ONE year plan because of who the QB is. That’s all that matters. You don’t forecast anymore. You bring back your best current pass rusher. The forecasting period went bye bye after you blew the Wilson and Becton picks. Are they forecasting when he’s been on the team for a year now? You don’t think they have an idea of what they have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, slats said: The Eagles GM and coach are both on hot seats. Not only did they lose to the Jets last year for the first time in NFL history, but the team collapsed in epic fashion down the stretch. I get that moves like this get their fans’ panties all moist and musty, but they’ve also committed like $90M over three years for a part time pass rusher and a RB in the first hours of free agency. Good friend of mine is an Eagles fan, and I enjoy rooting against the jints, but these moves smell more of desperation than genius. Ew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, extmenace said: Are they forecasting when he’s been on the team for a year now? You don’t think they have an idea of what they have? The Jets willingly had Zach Wilson as the backup last year. They don’t know sh*t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 add up the money joe paid c davis lazzard cobb cj -then look at the ROI Joe got for his investments-Joe could not beat a legless man in an ass kicking contest.... he sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said: Ew That’s what I was going for, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, slats said: That’s what I was going for, lol I was trying to win a shortest post contest just to prove a point. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherwiseHappyinLife Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 36 minutes ago, hawk said: I'll bypass this thread with all the JD you suck post for not severely overpaying a pass rush specialist. Today is simply a culmination of a long string of previous mistakes the Jets made regarding Huff. It's something many saw coming and it still stings that it has now come to its expected conclusion. I don't think many are arguing that the Jets should have overpaid for him this free agency. Instead, they're arguing they should have known what they had and signed him last year when they had some real leverage. The same logic of not overpaying for a pass rush specialist should carryover to not drafting a pass rush specialist in round 1. That's what many thought Will McDonald was coming into the league and saying he's anything more than that right now is wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Good for Huff. He bet on himself, and it paid off. Next man up. I think McDonald will be up for the task. He definitely flashed in his limited opportunities last season. Pass rushers typically need a year or two of development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilfieldJet Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Damn McDonald had better turn out to be Von Miller. Hate that we lost Huff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, Warfish said: It seemed quite obvious JD wasn't very interested in retaining Huff, especially with his recent high-value investments in 1st round draft pick Edges. So no shock hearing this news at all. Entirely expected. As with everything this offseason, we'll just have to see how it works out. So then not trading him was monumentally stupid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, neckdemon said: So then not trading him was monumentally stupid When and for what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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