Waka Flocka Flacco Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 17M for Huff is bananas. Roseman is finallly getting fired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisaynon Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 i mean pretty much how ive felt since we got rodgers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Ooof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 3 hours ago, neckdemon said: Trade deadline when he was turning down trade offers for him He had 3.5 sacks on the season at the trade deadline. I don't know what the best offer was, but what if - on the last day in Oct - it was just a bottom-half pick from a playoff team (i.e. a late 4th or late 5th)? What maddens me as much as anything about Douglas is he first decided to engage in extension talks after Huff went on the first and only 4-game tear of his career. It's a repeat of what he did with other players after they got suddenly hot, from Ryan Griffin to JFM. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 This and drafting McDonald is and was a pair of egregious errors by Joe Douglas. yeh yeah he drafted Hall, Wilson and Sauce... great! But his persistent failures at QB and OL undermine it all. The net result is last place with embarrassingly bad offenses. McDonald better be a stud and soon. Damn JD has pretzel bits between his ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 33 minutes ago, Jetsfan4life90 said: Not the same thing; one is a premium pass rusher, and the other is a safety. And the Jets actually got valuable assets from letting Adams go and got zilch from Huff. Let's not get it twisted. Unless Will McDonalds lights the league on fire this upcoming season, the Jets pass rush just got a whole lot worse. why does McDonald have to light the league on fire? Huff didnt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RutgersJetFan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 5 hours ago, bitonti said: I knew it was coming it still hurts should be the Jets fan slogan fwiw they get a 3rd or 4th rounder next year This was expected and it sucks what's puzzling to me are the people holding out hope the Jets would come to some sort of last minute tag/trade/deal with Huff when all the news pointed the other way. Huff's fate was sealed when they drafted McDonald Huff's fate was sealed the moment they coached him up along with the other guys in the front 7 that they've coached up. They have a right to be confident in that area with Surratt or Holmes or whomever the hell else they have coming up the pipeline. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Dcat said: This and drafting McDonald is and was a pair of egregious errors by Joe Douglas. yeh yeah he drafted Hall, Wilson and Sauce... great! But his persistent failures at QB and OL undermine it all. The net result is last place with embarrassingly bad offenses. McDonald better be a stud and soon. Damn JD has pretzel bits between his ears. Well drafting Mcdonald is why we let Huff go for nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 12 hours ago, slats said: Jets defense is really good, and a guy who was on the field 42% of the time was not the straw that stirred the drink. They have a quality replacement for him on the roster in McDonald, and the offense is a black hole. If you choose to apply any sort of logic, there is no reasonable argument for spending all of the team’s cap room on a part time defensive player -especially a player who signed for far less per year than the tag’s value- when the offense needs help all over. If you want to complain about not trading him before the deadline last year, or resigning him the year before; cool, I get that. But overpaying a part time defensive player instead of investing in the offense at this time? That would’ve been dumb. Thanks for some sanity and logic….I’m no Joe Douglas apologist but he and his scouts found him and developed him in the first place, just go out and find another late rounder or FA that Saleh & Ulbrich can turn into the next guy alongside the excellent JJ and the very promising WMD in the edge rotation. The really good organisations continue to reload and re-stock in this way. If there’s one thing we know our CS can do it’s develop DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 But now he won’t get his much needed rest on the sidelines. The eagles don’t do the innovative rotate system. They actually keep their best players on the field 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 hours ago, BP said: But now he won’t get his much needed rest on the sidelines. The eagles don’t do the innovative rotate system. They actually keep their best players on the field Complete dereliction of duties from Douglas 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Disappointing..they better use these cap dollars towards the offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClashFan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Yeah, I'd really like to know what Huff would have been willing to sign for after last season. And if he did so, they probably don't need to take IV. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 22 hours ago, mrcoops said: Elite young pass-rusher lost for a reasonable contract. Jets gave Carl Lawson $45M over 3 years three years ago, and are paying JFM $14M a year. But they won't pay this for an elite QB chaser in Huff? Dumb, dumb, dumb. maybe he wanted to be a full time player and wasn't interested n resigning as a pass rush specialist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, batman10023 said: maybe he wanted to be a full time player and wasn't interested n resigning as a pass rush specialist I'm sure that's true. It's also true that the Jets mismanaged the situation, undervalued the player, and let him walk for free rather than trading him when they could have last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 18 hours ago, Matt39 said: No one on the Jets can be relied upon lol. But yet here we are letting the teams best edge rusher who’s 25 leave and are banking on someone else to fill that role on a roster that has to win right away because the quarterback is 40. The Jets are a better team with Huff on the roster. Point blank end of story. If the plan was to trade Rodgers then totally different. 2024 is all in. A FA guard is not moving the needle like a 25 year old edge. The cost of the tag does not matter because the Jets have no choice but to win in 2024. we can let people filibuster about the cap mumbo jumbo but the Jets current situation is as simple as it gets did you advocate signing huff to an extension at the end of last year? and what would it have taken $$ to get him to stay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 13 minutes ago, batman10023 said: did you advocate signing huff to an extension at the end of last year? and what would it have taken $$ to get him to stay? A Brinks truck full of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 23 hours ago, Matt39 said: Why didn’t they just tag him? Because we are inept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 4 hours ago, Barton said: Disappointing..they better use these cap dollars towards the offense Bakhtiari getting paid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 18 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: He had 3.5 sacks on the season at the trade deadline. I don't know what the best offer was, but what if - on the last day in Oct - it was just a bottom-half pick from a playoff team (i.e. a late 4th or late 5th)? What maddens me as much as anything about Douglas is he first decided to engage in extension talks after Huff went on the first and only 4-game tear of his career. It's a repeat of what he did with other players after they got suddenly hot, from Ryan Griffin to JFM. Yeah my guess was the offfers at the deadline were like a 5th or something. If anyone offered a 3rd he would’ve been traded. As it ends up we got a 4th compensation pick for him as of now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 30 minutes ago, Jets723 said: Yeah my guess was the offfers at the deadline were like a 5th or something. If anyone offered a 3rd he would’ve been traded. As it ends up we got a 4th compensation pick for him as of now We'll see. That'll be clearer when Becton eventually signs somewhere; otherwise yeah Simpson or even Taylor could negate that pick, as both were qualifying UFAs and both got more than the veteran minimum. At least one of their other UFAs should sign for enough to negate Taylor (a rate of $9MM is low for a QB), leaving Simpson & Becton as even-cancels, and then they keep the Huff pick. Even if they don't get it, then it is what it is. I prefer they keep it, but it's just as dumb to fail to plug up a necessary hole (let alone ~5 of them, including QB2) to preserve a mid-round pick number 130+ some 13 months in the future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 On 3/11/2024 at 4:06 PM, Jetsfan4life90 said: Not the same thing; one is a premium pass rusher, and the other is a safety. And the Jets actually got valuable assets from letting Adams go and got zilch from Huff. Let's not get it twisted. Unless Will McDonalds lights the league on fire this upcoming season, the Jets pass rush just got a whole lot worse. McDonald is not huff but has more upside. You are rigth we got assets for Adams but we also didn't pay him stupid money like many want to do for huff. Huff is a system guy. Glad for him but not worth the money, his plays are very reminiscent of Adams because they are designed pressures. He nor adams generates pressure on their own or is a force on thier own. Our Def coord knows this, our GM knows this and that is why they didnt pay when they can get similar from different less expensive player. Its literally the definition of good GMing. Lets not get it twisted huff did not light the league on fire, nor does his replacement, they only have to preform in thier designed role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan4life90 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: McDonald is not huff but has more upside. You are rigth we got assets for Adams but we also didn't pay him stupid money like many want to do for huff. Huff is a system guy. Glad for him but not worth the money, his plays are very reminiscent of Adams because they are designed pressures. He nor adams generates pressure on their own or is a force on thier own. Our Def coord knows this, our GM knows this and that is why they didnt pay when they can get similar from different less expensive player. Its literally the definition of good GMing. Lets not get it twisted huff did not light the league on fire, nor does his replacement, they only have to preform in thier designed role. Huff's get-off speed and bending are elite. Like, elite elite. He isn't just a product of Quinnen. The Eagles are a smart organization, especially when it comes to d-linemen and LB's. They see/saw what most of us saw/seen. 17 mil for Huff was not a lot whatsoever, either. The only question is if Huff can play every down, but somehow, I don't think that'll be an issue. He was also capable of playing run defense. Take it to the bank; unless they make a move out of nowhere or Will McDonalds ascends, the Jets pass rush just got worse next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan4life90 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 14 hours ago, redlichtie said: Thanks for some sanity and logic….I’m no Joe Douglas apologist but he and his scouts found him and developed him in the first place, just go out and find another late rounder or FA that Saleh & Ulbrich can turn into the next guy alongside the excellent JJ and the very promising WMD in the edge rotation. The really good organisations continue to reload and re-stock in this way. If there’s one thing we know our CS can do it’s develop DL Huff also had the talent and measurements to perform well. Going out and just developing another Huff isn't quite that simple. And Will McDonald is still unproven, but clearly, they're banking on him taking over for Huff. Let's hope they're correct, because the Jets pass rush just got a whole lot worse for next season as it stands now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Jetsfan4life90 said: Huff's get-off speed and bending are elite. Like, elite elite. He isn't just a product of Quinnen. The Eagles are a smart organization, especially when it comes to d-linemen and LB's. They see/saw what most of us saw/seen. 17 mil for Huff was not a lot whatsoever, either. The only question is if Huff can play every down, but somehow, I don't think that'll be an issue. He was also capable of playing run defense. Take it to the bank; unless they make a move out of nowhere or Will McDonalds ascends, the Jets pass rush just got worse next season. Well I think at the end of the season I'm going to be right but your side is fair, that's the eagles story but the truth is being every down guy is a big deal and if he can do it. Also even if he plays the limited role here, no chance he has as good success over there. Well maybe not zero but I don't think he will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 8 hours ago, Jetsfan4life90 said: Huff's get-off speed and bending are elite. Like, elite elite. He isn't just a product of Quinnen. The Eagles are a smart organization, especially when it comes to d-linemen and LB's. They see/saw what most of us saw/seen. 17 mil for Huff was not a lot whatsoever, either. The only question is if Huff can play every down, but somehow, I don't think that'll be an issue. He was also capable of playing run defense. Take it to the bank; unless they make a move out of nowhere or Will McDonalds ascends, the Jets pass rush just got worse next season. Don’t get me wrong, I’d way rather we kept Huff, you can never have too many good pass rushers and his story and development is a rare example of us getting it right, it’s frustrating when we don’t keep our own homegrown talents but as others have pointed out, tagging him would’ve been a massive overpay and he clearly wants to be an every down player and felt he wouldn’t be that here, you can’t force players to stay unless you use the tag…..we do at least mitigate that loss by having a valid back up plan already in place and we can hopefully use the back end of the draft or UDFA’s to re-stock with a young developmental pass rusher who, like Huff coming out, had enough flaws to go undrafted in the first place, but with the right situation and development could turn into a good enough contributor that they can replace Huff and his 42% snaps, if not as dramatically good as Bryce became, at least good enough to make a difference. It’s easy to say Huff is ‘elite’ but he wasn’t elite coming out or even much before this season. The bigger frustration for me would be failing to get Huff more snaps and recognising his talent was deserving of it sooner, I’d way rather we were giving Bryce Huff 17M and 70% snaps than JFM. It will be interesting to see how it goes in Philly, if he hits 15 sacks and the pro bowl then they win, but if his sack numbers drop slightly and they struggle against the run it’ll be a very different look in a year or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/12/2024 at 1:21 PM, bicketybam said: A Brinks truck full of money. i didn't see Matt post his comments. it's very easy to play monday morning qb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Best pass rusher we had since Abraham and don’t let the door hit you on the way out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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