Jets trade up to 3.1: Select WR Malachi Corley

[32EBoozer]

4 minutes ago, jetsons said:

 

This has been my hope since yesterday.

[Matt39]

Does Corley return kicks 

[bonkertons]

3 hours ago, C Mart said:

Olu will be playing this season. Let's also see if Kuntz takes a step up this season.

I don’t doubt he will but for all we know that won’t be til week 10. All it’s gonna take is for Bowers to have one big week. We saw it last year with JSN and Addison. Not that I really give a ****, but you know for a fact those threads will happen. 

[extmenace]

9 minutes ago, bonkertons said:

I don’t doubt he will but for all we know that won’t be til week 10. All it’s gonna take is for Bowers to have one big week. We saw it last year with JSN and Addison. Not that I really give a ****, but you know for a fact those threads will happen. 

bowers was never going to happen, anyone boohooing over this couldn’t see the writing on the wall. The bowers pick never made any sense for this team for 2024.

[DonCorleone]

2 hours ago, Alka said:

Yeah, who was a game changer for the Jets in 2023?  We had one quality wide receiver in Wilson, a garbage offensive line, and a garbage QB.  And with all of that, Conklin had his most productive season as a pro in the NFL, with 61 catches and over 600 yards.

Maybe, with a quality O line, quality QB, quality wide receiving corps, maybe, just maybe, Conklin can easily surpass what he did last year.

What do you think?  Does he deserve another shot?  The guy is only 28 years old.  

I am not as high on him as some people are. A second chance? Of course! I wish we would have gone for a game changer 

[BornJetsFan1983]

6 hours ago, Jetfuel66 said:

Some of these calls are Cringe!

The perspective these guys must have who come from the streets and lay their bodies on the line, and they have to talk with the golden spoon-fed owners who probably never had to really work a day in their lives. Listening to Woody and his brother try to talk the talk must be hard for these players on the other end of the phone. I wish the owners would just let the staff handle these introductory calls.

Haha woody response was pretty bad. Like what you want the guy to say haha. Just awkward 

[bonkertons]

45 minutes ago, extmenace said:

bowers was never going to happen, anyone boohooing over this couldn’t see the writing on the wall. The bowers pick never made any sense for this team for 2024.

lol enough with this stupid sh*t.  It obviously made sense.  So did OT.  Let's chill with the hyperbole.  

[slimjasi]

the vibes are immaculate

I have a great feeling about this guy 

[dbatesman]

7 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Almost kinda sucks that we have Hackett

what no

[jetstream23]

 

[Jetsfan80]

On 4/27/2024 at 9:38 PM, jetstream23 said:

 

 

@Gastineau Lives

[Joe W. Namath]

The Corley thread is full of Bowers talk who wasnt even on our draft board?  Hahahahaha.

Jet fans………….

[Gastineau Lives]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

@Gastineau Lives

Sir, I’m a Raiders fan, thank you.

[Dcat]

1 minute ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Sir, I’m a Raiders fan, thank you.

All right, then I have a mission for you:  As a Raiduh fan, can you somehow arrange for Raiduholic to apply a tad of logic to his posts?

[Gastineau Lives]

35 minutes ago, Dcat said:

All right, then I have a mission for you:  As a Raiduh fan, can you somehow arrange for Raiduholic to apply a tad of logic to his posts?

Love’s not logical, brah

[Jetsfan80]

35 minutes ago, Dcat said:

All right, then I have a mission for you:  As a Raiduh fan, can you somehow arrange for Raiduholic to apply a tad of logic to his posts?

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, Gastineau Lives said:

Love’s not logical, brah

We're Jets fans and we hate most of our players and go entire years hating that entire team.

Raideraholic convinces himself every single Summer that the Raiders are SB contenders.

[Dcat]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

welcome back

[jvill 51]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

We're Jets fans and we hate most of our players and go entire years hating that entire team.

Raideraholic convinces himself every single Summer that the Raiders are SB contenders.

Are they not? I mean look at their roster:

At [insert position] they have [insert name of recent draft bust or UDFA no one’s ever heard of] who is [insert height/weight] and runs a [insert 40 yard dash time].

At [insert position] they have [insert name of recent draft bust or UDFA no one’s ever heard of] who is [insert height/weight] and runs a [insert 40 yard dash time].

At [insert position] they have [insert name of recent draft bust or UDFA no one’s ever heard of] who is [insert height/weight] and runs a [insert 40 yard dash time].

….

Repeat 50 more times.

….

You tell me, what team in the AFC is stopping that?

[Dcat]

Just now, jvill 51 said:

Are they not? I mean look at their roster:

At [insert position] they have [insert name of recent draft bust or UDFA no one’s ever heard of] who is [insert height/weight] and runs a [insert 40 yard dash time].

At [insert position] they have [insert name of recent draft bust or UDFA no one’s ever heard of] who is [insert height/weight] and runs a [insert 40 yard dash time].

At [insert position] they have [insert name of recent draft bust or UDFA no one’s ever heard of] who is [insert height/weight] and runs a [insert 40 yard dash time].

….

Repeat 50 more times.

….

You tell me, what team in the AFC is stopping that?

You'll see.  The shiny-new RTE/LTE starting lineup will shake up the NFL.

[Warfish]

On 4/27/2024 at 12:52 PM, bonkertons said:

I don’t doubt he will but for all we know that won’t be til week 10. All it’s gonna take is for Bowers to have one big week. We saw it last year with JSN and Addison. Not that I really give a ****, but you know for a fact those threads will happen. 

To be clear, my pre-draft, post-draft, mid-season and post-season preference for JSN over McDonald was never about "one big week".

I maintain JSN was the right pick then, and now.  We'd be a better team today with JSN instead of McDonald.

Wilson/Williams/JSN/Corely/Ruckert/Hall?  With a hopefully healthy Rodgers throwing to them? Sign me up!

Meanwhile, McDonald was such a great pick, his coach said publicly that he'd have to work his ass off this offseason just to compete for a starting job, and then the GM went ahead and made sure that all McDonald will be in 2024 is a depth/backup/rotational guy with better edges ahead of him.

I'm confident that at the end of the day, JSN > McDonald will be an obvious fact that even slats won't be able to deny.

 

[Dcat]

12 minutes ago, Warfish said:

 

I'm confident that at the end of the day, JSN > McDonald will be an obvious fact that even slats won't be able to deny.

 

We shall see.  Not that McDonald did anything special, but JSN wasn't anything special last year.  He was on the disappointing side.  

[Warfish]

17 minutes ago, Dcat said:

We shall see.  Not that McDonald did anything special, but JSN wasn't anything special last year.  He was on the disappointing side.  

It'll be interesting to compare/contrast JSN's first year with the impending first year of Corely.

I'm also not sure I'd call 600+ receiving yards and 4 TD's disappointing for a #3 WR with two studs ahead of him, but as I said, it'll be a good comp. to see how Corley does with Wilson/Williams ahead of him (not as good a pair as Metcalf/Lockett).

And, of course, to see what McDonald contributes this year. 

As I always say, McDonald can always prove me wrong with a dozen plus sacks  

[Jetsfan80]

46 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I'm also not sure I'd call 600+ receiving yards and 4 TD's disappointing for a #3 WR with two studs ahead of him

1) Shouldn't having 2 studs ahead of him made his job even easier?  Especially for a guy operating primarily out of the slot where spacing is among the biggest factors.

2) Despite having 2 studs ahead of him, he still got a gaudy 93 targets his way, good for a 16.1 % target share.  He simply didn't do much with all those targets (6.8 yards per target - ranked 94th in the NFL out of 139 qualifying receivers).  

[Warfish]

11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

1) Shouldn't having 2 studs ahead of him made his job even easier?  Especially for a guy operating primarily out of the slot where spacing is among the biggest factors.

Yes.  But is also reduces opportunities when 122 and 119 targets go to the #1 and #2.

As I said, 93 targets, 63 catches, 628 yards and 4 TD's as the #3 WR is, IMO, perfectly fine production for a rookie #3 slot WR. 

Did his critics expect him to be a 1,000 yard guy as the #3 there? 

And if that's the case, why didn't McDonald have 12 sacks as the rotational Edge, if he was so superior a pick? 

11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

He simply didn't do much with all those targets (6.8 yards per target - ranked 94th in the NFL out of 139 qualifying receivers).  

Agree to disagree what "didn't do much" means in this context.

You know what I call not doing much?

19% of snaps, 14 tackles, 3 sacks.  And falling down the depth chart in the offseason, lol.

Give those 19% of snaps to any of our other, better, starting edges, and I bet the numbers are better from those snaps than 3 sacks and 14 tackles.  Hell, our own #2's haven't put that up in a while, feels like (I didn't look to confirm).  The guy yall liked, Lazard, how did he do again?

I'd also take a 628/4 #3 slot WR over a 3 sack 14 tackle backup rotational Edge any day.  But I'm well aware you and slats wouldn't, you've made that clear.

We'll see how 2024 plays out for both guys, and for Corley too. 

Will Corely get 15% of Rodgers targets?  If not, why not?  Will he catch for 628 yards?  Or 4 TD's?  If not, why not?  Will he even beat our Lazy Team-Quitter Bum Lazard for that starting #3 WR spot?

Lots of fun this coming season watching the big picture, and these smaller picture comps.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Did anyone from the crack Jets beat think to ask the GM whether he had specific intel when they traded up, or did they do it blindly in order to secure the player?

At that point, they only had to wait a little longer for Corley to fall to them "organically" at 3.9?

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

IDK if he's good enough to handle it, but at least stylistically, Gipson looks the part of the shifty every-down Welker-type slot more than Corley.

With ZW and Tim "lance that" Boyle as his QBs, I'm willing to cut Gipson some slack. 

He couldn't get on the field til late in the year because the team was committed to stone hands Lazard.

At minimum, Gipson should be the opening day KR / PR.

I'd also consider running Ashtyn Davis out there for KR with his track speed.

 

[Jetsfan80]

16 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Yes.  But is also reduces opportunities when 122 and 119 targets go to the #1 and #2.

As I said, 93 targets, 63 catches, 628 yards and 4 TD's as the #3 WR is, IMO, perfectly fine production for a rookie #3 slot WR. 

Did his critics expect him to be a 1,000 yard guy as the #3 there? 

And if that's the case, why didn't McDonald have 12 sacks as the rotational Edge, if he was so superior a pick? 

Agree to disagree what "didn't do much" means in this context.

You know what I call not doing much?

19% of snaps, 14 tackles, 3 sacks.  And falling down the depth chart in the offseason, lol.

Give those 19% of snaps to any of our other, better, starting edges, and I bet the numbers are better from those snaps than 3 sacks and 14 tackles.  Hell, our own #2's haven't put that up in a while, feels like (I didn't look to confirm).  The guy yall liked, Lazard, how did he do again?

I'd also take a 628/4 #3 slot WR over a 3 sack 14 tackle backup rotational Edge any day.  But I'm well aware you and slats wouldn't, you've made that clear.

We'll see how 2024 plays out for both guys, and for Corley too. 

Will Corely get 15% of Rodgers targets?  If not, why not?  Will he catch for 628 yards?  Or 4 TD's?  If not, why not?  Will he even beat our Lazy Team-Quitter Bum Lazard for that starting #3 WR spot?

Lots of fun this coming season watching the big picture, and these smaller picture comps.

JSN is a slot receiver so no, I don’t expect him to get 1,000 yards in just about ANY season.

Meanwhile, the same complaints you have about McDonald were things people were saying about Jermaine Johnson prior to last season.  Those didn’t age very well.

I’ll be prepared to accept your surrender on this one by roughly Week 7 of 2024.  

[slats]

16 minutes ago, Warfish said:

19% of snaps, 14 tackles, 3 sacks.  And falling down the depth chart in the offseason, lol

What? The Jets let Bryce Huff walk because they have McDonald, who -by default- has moved from DE5 to part of the base rotation over the course of the offseason. I expect to see him take a good portion Huff’s obvious passing down snaps, too. He should more than double his snap count from last year. 

16 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Give those 19% of snaps to any of our other, better, starting edges, and I bet the numbers are better from those snaps than 3 sacks and 14 tackles.

Yeah, probably not, though. You crunch those numbers, and he was very productive for his limited time on the field. He was brought along slowly and had all of his QB hits, TFLs, and 2.5 of his 3 sacks in the second half of the year. I’m looking forward to a big year from him in a bigger role. 
 
Hopefully Corley vs. JSN will be a fun comparison for us, too. 

[BCJet]

10 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

IDK if he's good enough to handle it, but at least stylistically, Gipson looks the part of the shifty every-down Welker-type slot more than Corley.

With ZW and Tim "lance that" Boyle as his QBs, I'm willing to cut Gipson some slack. 

He couldn't get on the field til late in the year because the team was committed to stone hands Lazard.

At minimum, Gipson should be the opening day KR / PR.

I'd also consider running Ashtyn Davis out there for KR with his track speed.

 

Corley is absolutely not a shifty, welker-type slot WR and thats fine.  What this staff needs to do is look at the way SF uses Deebo on slants and quick outs so that we can get corley some quick touches near the LOS and let him get into space.  Rogers happens to love quick outs and my guess is that is where we use Corley the most.  

What we have to remember is that if Rogers is healthy, we have a QB who excels at knowing what play to get into and where to go with the ball. Yes he can still throw it downfield but his bread and butter is the short/mid passing game and getting the ball into his playmakers hands.  Now between GW, Corley, Breece, and even Conklin/Ruckert we have guys who are good enough athletes to make plays once they catch the ball.

Should be fun to watch

[Larz]

It’s a shame he’s not going to play this year.  I like a lot of things about him 

[Dcat]

19 minutes ago, Larz said:

It’s a shame he’s not going to play this year.  I like a lot of things about him 

Yeah... according to some we have to wait a few years for any of the '24 picks to even get on the field let alone contribute.

[Warfish]

56 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

JSN is a slot receiver so no, I don’t expect him to get 1,000 yards in just about ANY season.

Meanwhile, the same complaints you have about McDonald were things people were saying about Jermaine Johnson prior to last season.  Those didn’t age very well.

I’ll be prepared to accept your surrender on this one by roughly Week 7 of 2024.  

I won't get into how over-rated I think JJ is here on JN, lol.....

"Surrender"?  I don't see it that way.  Since I root for the laundry (sadly, that means Gumby McDonald) and not "being right on the internet".  I want what's best for us.

So I hope Gumby has a dozen sacks in 2024 and leads our D as an impact pass rusher, validating his 1st round selection over what I think were better, more productive options.

I'm just not holding my breath is all.

As for JSN, that ship sailed.  He's just a comp now for our own #3/slot WR's.

Now we have Corely, and we'll see how he does.  Hopefully he's at least at the 650 yard/4 TD level this year.  Hopefully more.  Hopefully he's everything I wanted JSN to be.

[Dcat]

18 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I won't get into how over-rated I think JJ is here on JN, lol.....

"Surrender"?  I don't see it that way.  Since I root for the laundry (sadly, that means Gumby McDonald) and not "being right on the internet".  I want what's best for us.

So I hope Gumby has a dozen sacks in 2024 and leads our D as an impact pass rusher, validating his 1st round selection over what I think were better, more productive options.

I'm just not holding my breath is all.

As for JSN, that ship sailed.  He's just a comp now for our own #3/slot WR's.

Now we have Corely, and we'll see how he does.  Hopefully he's at least at the 650 yard/4 TD level this year.  Hopefully more.  Hopefully he's everything I wanted JSN to be.

So the 2024 third rounder should be producing "at least" what the 2023 1st rounder did?      I see.   Normally, one would expect the 1st rounder to greatly exceed the 3rd rounder.  But by most standards, JSN did not deliver up to expectations last year.  So yeah... if the 3rd rounder can accomplish what you say is acceptable for the 1st rounder, then he should be praised.  Highly.

[Warfish]

25 minutes ago, Dcat said:

So the 2024 third rounder should be producing "at least" what the 2023 1st rounder did?

Well, given that JSN's contribution was described as "didn't do much", yes, I'd hope our new slot #3 WR does better than not much.  Wouldn't you agree?

And yes, I want our slot WR to be better than Seattle's slot receiver that we could have drafted.  Don't you?

Is this the pre-emptive excuse if Corley underperforms "well, he was just a third, how could we expect him to produce like a first rounder" lol?

25 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Normally, one would expect the 1st rounder to greatly exceed the 3rd rounder.

No, I don't necessarily expect a 3rd rounder to defacto be worse than a 1st rounder at WR.  It's a league full of first round bust WR's and third round stud WR's.  It's not nearly so clear-cut that draft slot = success, but if it did, wouldn't that speak to why one might have wanted a 1st round WR over a backup rotational edge?

I wanted to draft a consensus 1st round WR, not a third rounder.

Both last year and this year.

But JD wouldn't, then couldn't, pull it off.

So we can only judge what we have and comp. them against what we could have had, and others who play that spot in the league. 

We have a 1st round edge so important we skipped on a desperate need at WR (Lazard fans were proven dead wrong, as expected). 

And a 3rd round WR that seems to come highly recommended.  I'm gonna root for him to be the best slot WR in the NFL regardless of pick slot.

25 minutes ago, Dcat said:

But by most standards, JSN did not deliver up to expectations last year. 

Link to "the standards" please?  I must be unaware of these well known and surely published standards by which #3 slot receivers are to be judged.

While we're on the topic, what are the standards for a 1st round pass-rush specialist edge?  Did McDonald meet those well known standards in 2023?

25 minutes ago, Dcat said:

So yeah... if the 3rd rounder can accomplish what you say is acceptable for the 1st rounder, then he should be praised.  Highly.

You mean "not much" as it was described?