Mike Florio & the entire FNIA Team take aim at the Jets Organization on National TV.

[Xtina]

The jets are mediocre 

[Jet_Engine1]

1 minute ago, Xtina said:

The jets are mediocre 

[y2k8]

 

57 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

So, they half right. The Jets are a clown show for QB development.

Id also argue that most QB prospects need 3-5 years in the league just to be average. We often allow the special players to set our expectations for immediate excellence. Most of these guys take time. Even Brady was an entirely different QB by his 5th year or so. Early on, they hid him and minimized his role as much as possible.

This.

Geno needed a decade to mature and learn how to be an NFL QB. He is, at best, a slightly above average NFL QB 10 years into his career.

Zach Wilson was overdrafted and the best he can hope for is Geno's career. But I seriously doubt he is in the league 3 years from now.

Sam Darnold was sabotaged by bad development. Todd Bowles & Adam Gase to the Carolina Panthers. In the right situation, he can be Eli Manning (another guy who needed 5 years before figuring it out).

[Integrity28]

55 minutes ago, rangerous said:

agree.  it's not that they drafted bad prospects or even over drafted but that they just never put enough support behind the newbie qb.  but this is more of a symptom of the jets being too impatient and not developing a complete team before throwing the newbie in.  sanchez at least had a pretty complete team.  he was really only missing a really good receiver until they brought in edwards.  and the next season they got holmes.

It’s also not a problem exclusive to the Jets.

[Dunnie]

SO, a bunch of garbage people on a trash pre-game show think Darnold on his 4th team, Geno on his 4th team finally having a moment of not looking lost is somehow an indictment of the current Jets organization?
 

I think they are waiting to see if Zach gets his revenge tour as Bo Nix continues to implode.

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[bicketybam]

This thread is hilarious 🤣 

"I wish we had Geno Smith" said no one ever!

[Lupz27]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Jets suck. The Jets org sucks.

You Hate The Jets!

[JKlecko]

52 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Geno was drafted 11 years ago and is on his 4th team. 
 

Darnold is also on his 4th team. 
 

It’s not like these guys left the Jets and were immediately good 

No, they weren't immediately good, but did you hear what one of the commenters said about Sam when he saw him practice with SF last year?  He said he looked like a different player.  He didn't look beat down with his confidence gone.  He had the same energy and look that he did when he came out of USC.  He actually was getting positive feedback and good coaching and he started developing. 

We all know that NY can be a great place to play when one is playing well, but also what a negative place it can be.  NY fans are very knowledgeable and impatient, especially Jets fans who have had mostly 50 years of frustration and disappointment.  Few flourish in a negative environment.

Most of us understand that it takes some players longer to develop than others.  We routinely accept that it takes players at some positions like WR, DE, TE, OL, and LB 2-3 years to develop.  Why do we then expect QBs to show signs of greatness right out of the gate?  We all know that QB is the most important position, is the hardest position, and takes the biggest adjustment from college to the NFL.  It's only been within the last 10-15 years that QBs taken in the 1st round were expected to start immediately.  I understand about the 5-year contracts and needing time to evaluate them, but how can one realistically evaluate a QB when he needs to fix technical flaws such as footwork or arm angle, where he holds the ball when he drops back and is the pocket, is learning a new and often more complex offense than he played in while in college or high school, and is having to learn to read complex NFL Ds?  Yes, some QBs can step on the field and be great their rookie season, but they are the exception rather than the rule.  The NFL and teams seemingly invest lots of money in other aspects of trying to get players to perform at their best, but not in developing QBs?  With the importance of QBs in today's game, and with all the QB busts over the last 15-20 years, why haven't they worked to find a better way to help develop QBs?

Of course a big part of the problem is that there aren't enough quality QBs to go around so teams are desperate.  If there were enough good starting QBs to go around, teams wouldn't be crazed to trade up for a QB then throw him to the wolves immediately.  They'd let him sit and learn for a year or two.

I love to see QBs throwing for 300-400 yards as much as anyone and more than most, but maybe NFL owners ought to wise up.  Go back to ground and pound/3 yards and a cloud of dust for a few years roll with the QBs already in the NFL as starters and the few that can start day one and play at a high level, and let the rest sit for a year or two.  During that time really work to develop the young QBs, and maybe, just maybe within a few years we'd see a lot more QBs develop and make it, and that would in turn help bring their salaries down due to the laws of supply and demand.  The level of play across the league should rise, leading to better competition, more teams having a realistic shot at the playoffs, and keeping NFL fans more engaged, instead of checking out when their team is 1-8 (or whatever) in early November, which in turn should lead to more revenue for the NFL.

[JKlecko]

1 hour ago, WestCoastMole said:

Leon Hess was the epitome of a Skin-Flint. When he was laying on his Death-Bed and the time was nearing to sell the Franchise THEN he decided to break the Rubber-Band and the Bankroll and spend on the team That's when the Jets got Bill Parcells. And when Hess kicked the bucket it was one more year for Parcells and then 23 Skidoo. Remember Al Groh ? He was the pits.

Woody may not know what he was doing but at least he will spend the money. Otherwise the team would not have Aaron Rodgers right now.

I know all about Leon Hess.  I've been a Jets fan since Namath was drafted in '64, and how the team started nose-diving as soon as he got controlling interest. Hess was a shrewd businessman with Hess Oil Co., but an utter dumbass as the owner of a professional football team.  The Jets are the only professional franchise in any sport to never have had their own home stadium. Hess never had the sense to hire a football man to run the team.  Instead the team President was always an attorney or Real Estate or Marketing guy.  We at least got some hope with Parcells.

Then Parcells abandoned the Jets, as did Belichik, and while Woody has spent money, he screwed the pooch on getting the Jets their own home stadium and in his hires.  One year he hired Ron Wolff, who had once worked for the Jets as a consultant, but also hired Charlie Casserly and listened to him more than Wolff, and the Jets wound up with Mac.  Then when he fired Mac, there 2-3 GREAT GM candidates, but Woody insisted on keeping Rex rather than letting them make the decision, and we wound up with Idzik.  A couple of those candidates withdrew their names when Woody told them that Rex would stay, and they went on to become the GMs of other teams with success.  He meddles.  It would be one thing if he were as knowledgeable as some of the other owners, but he isn't.  It doesn't help a lot that he's willing to spend money when it is wasted hand over fist on clueless GMs, HCs and players.

[RutgersJetFan]

1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

He sorta peaked here I think. 

Universal Soldier is legitimately a great flick. 

[BradSmith16fan]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Jets suck. The Jets org sucks.

TBD for this year. Also doesn't help when basically every game it seems they're on the bad end of s*it calls. What was it like 3 years without a roughing the passer penalty? JJ get his shoulder pad basically ripped, no call. Next play, roughing the passer on a clean hit. Plus Titans rt was moving back every play about half second before the snap, no false starts.

[Lupz27]

56 minutes ago, JKlecko said:

No, they weren't immediately good, but did you hear what one of the commenters said about Sam when he saw him practice with SF last year?  He said he looked like a different player.  He didn't look beat down with his confidence gone.  He had the same energy and look that he did when he came out of USC.  He actually was getting positive feedback and good coaching and he started developing. 

We all know that NY can be a great place to play when one is playing well, but also what a negative place it can be.  NY fans are very knowledgeable and impatient, especially Jets fans who have had mostly 50 years of frustration and disappointment.  Few flourish in a negative environment.

Most of us understand that it takes some players longer to develop than others.  We routinely accept that it takes players at some positions like WR, DE, TE, OL, and LB 2-3 years to develop.  Why do we then expect QBs to show signs of greatness right out of the gate?  We all know that QB is the most important position, is the hardest position, and takes the biggest adjustment from college to the NFL.  It's only been within the last 10-15 years that QBs taken in the 1st round were expected to start immediately.  I understand about the 5-year contracts and needing time to evaluate them, but how can one realistically evaluate a QB when he needs to fix technical flaws such as footwork or arm angle, where he holds the ball when he drops back and is the pocket, is learning a new and often more complex offense than he played in while in college or high school, and is having to learn to read complex NFL Ds?  Yes, some QBs can step on the field and be great their rookie season, but they are the exception rather than the rule.  The NFL and teams seemingly invest lots of money in other aspects of trying to get players to perform at their best, but not in developing QBs?  With the importance of QBs in today's game, and with all the QB busts over the last 15-20 years, why haven't they worked to find a better way to help develop QBs?

Of course a big part of the problem is that there aren't enough quality QBs to go around so teams are desperate.  If there were enough good starting QBs to go around, teams wouldn't be crazed to trade up for a QB then throw him to the wolves immediately.  They'd let him sit and learn for a year or two.

I love to see QBs throwing for 300-400 yards as much as anyone and more than most, but maybe NFL owners ought to wise up.  Go back to ground and pound/3 yards and a cloud of dust for a few years roll with the QBs already in the NFL as starters and the few that can start day one and play at a high level, and let the rest sit for a year or two.  During that time really work to develop the young QBs, and maybe, just maybe within a few years we'd see a lot more QBs develop and make it, and that would in turn help bring their salaries down due to the laws of supply and demand.  The level of play across the league should rise, leading to better competition, more teams having a realistic shot at the playoffs, and keeping NFL fans more engaged, instead of checking out when their team is 1-8 (or whatever) in early November, which in turn should lead to more revenue for the NFL.

This is the reason why I think the Jets dropped the ball by not drafting JJ McCarthey to sit behind Rodgers.

Oh well.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, BradSmith16fan said:

TBD for this year. Also doesn't help when basically every game it seems they're on the bad end of s*it calls. What was it like 3 years without a roughing the passer penalty? JJ get his shoulder pad basically ripped, no call. Next play, roughing the passer on a clean hit. Plus Titans rt was moving back every play about half second before the snap, no false starts.

Brad I don’t live in a world wallpapered with excuses. I live in a man’s man world.

[Drums]

Would be nice if we had some decent offensive coaches to develop said QBs. You look at the development of our defense with all these late rounders and UDFAs having success but that does not happen on the other side of the ball. 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Xtina said:

The jets are mediocre 

Mediocre would be an improvement.  Least mediocre gets in the playoffs once in a while!

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, Matt39 said:

He threw a pick took 3 sacks and fumbled twice 

With 2 tds, 268 yards and a rating of 109.

Against a top team

And won

Good job with the evaluation 

[Gaffneycatch81]

2 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Meh, we've been hearing this nonsensical narrative for many, many, many years and it virtually never comes to fruition.  Good for Geno in putting it all together, but he was nearly a decade into his career, had failed with both the Giants and Chargers after, and was into year 4 in Seattle before actually showing anything.  He was the first one who actually ever lived up to the post-Jets narrative since James friggin' Farrior, and the latter in fact had his first breakout season under ole Hermy.

How many QBs and other positions were supposed to prove it was all the Jets' fault and turned out to do just as badly, if not worse, elsewhere?  It's an infinitely longer list.  Darnold had his handful of good games during his Jets run too, and has been team-hopping for 4 years post-Jets, including last year sitting on the bench of the very team we want to drool over him beating.  So I wouldn't hold my breath on him supporting the case further before he does it more than once.

So you’re saying our busts, for the most part, really are busts. Take that, Jets haters!

[Sammybighead]

I'll agree with everything they say when sam or geno win a superbowl

[Lot K Tailgaters]

Sticking Darnold with Bowles in year 1 (everyone knew Bowles would be fired at the end of the year) followed by two years of Gase was criminal.  
 

GMs have egos and so does JD.  He wanted to draft his own QB and he drafted one who was horrible.  The Jets could have kept Darnold for another season and traded that second pick for a lot.  They could have built a young strong OL.  Instead they took Zach Wilson another bust.  

[varjet]

8 hours ago, Lot K Tailgaters said:

Sticking Darnold with Bowles in year 1 (everyone knew Bowles would be fired at the end of the year) followed by two years of Gase was criminal.  
 

GMs have egos and so does JD.  He wanted to draft his own QB and he drafted one who was horrible.  The Jets could have kept Darnold for another season and traded that second pick for a lot.  They could have built a young strong OL.  Instead they took Zach Wilson another bust.  

I do think Woody put his thumb on the Zach scale because he wanted a shiny new toy on a cheaper rookie deal.  They mistakenly thought they could risklessly reboot with another high drafted QB at least as good.  What they got was Zach who short, medium and long term is much worse than Darnold was or is. 

[jamesr]

24 minutes ago, varjet said:

I do think Woody put his thumb on the Zach scale because he wanted a shiny new toy on a cheaper rookie deal.  They mistakenly thought they could risklessly reboot with another high drafted QB at least as good.  What they got was Zach who short, medium and long term is much worse than Darnold was or is. 

Darnold's contract timeline certainly had a big role to play in the decision to move on from him.

[jgb]

12 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Jets suck. The Jets org sucks.

Depends on the perspective. Jets org is incredible as a cash machine.

[Matt39]

9 hours ago, Lot K Tailgaters said:

Sticking Darnold with Bowles in year 1 (everyone knew Bowles would be fired at the end of the year) followed by two years of Gase was criminal.  
 

GMs have egos and so does JD.  He wanted to draft his own QB and he drafted one who was horrible.  The Jets could have kept Darnold for another season and traded that second pick for a lot.  They could have built a young strong OL.  Instead they took Zach Wilson another bust.  

Woody wanted Wilson as the face. Therefore Jd did too.

[Ulrich]

Seahawks & Vikings are each 2-0 after defeating the vaunted Broncos, Giants & Pats! Vikings upsets the Niners - they’re headed to the NFC Championship to face Seattle!

Vikings were so confident in Darnold they traded in to the top 10 to draft McCarthy. 

Geno has been solid. Yet his ceiling has been the WC round. Put him in Canton!

Darnold has had two very nice weeks. He hasn’t even sniffed the playoffs in his career.

Let’s see where things stand with these two and their teams come November-December. 

[Asymmetrical]

7 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Woody wanted Wilson as the face. Therefore Jd did too.

confusing as his face is so off-putting. This opinion may be colored by the 3 years of torture he put me through but dude looks like a pixar villain. very disturbing 

[doitny]

9 hours ago, Lot K Tailgaters said:

Sticking Darnold with Bowles in year 1 (everyone knew Bowles would be fired at the end of the year) followed by two years of Gase was criminal.  
 

GMs have egos and so does JD.  He wanted to draft his own QB and he drafted one who was horrible.  The Jets could have kept Darnold for another season and traded that second pick for a lot.  They could have built a young strong OL.  Instead they took Zach Wilson another bust.  

to be fair most of JN always asks for a offensive HC. especially when we draft a QB. now Gase was obviously the wrong guy but be careful what you wish for.

 

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, varjet said:

I do think Woody put his thumb on the Zach scale because he wanted a shiny new toy on a cheaper rookie deal.  They mistakenly thought they could risklessly reboot with another high drafted QB at least as good.  What they got was Zach who short, medium and long term is much worse than Darnold was or is. 

Yeah, because we’ve never heard that a GM, a coaching staff want to start with their own QB?  
Is there anything that when it doesn’t work out we don’t blame on owners?  

[Green DNA]

12 hours ago, JKlecko said:

No, they weren't immediately good, but did you hear what one of the commenters said about Sam when he saw him practice with SF last year?  He said he looked like a different player.  He didn't look beat down with his confidence gone.  He had the same energy and look that he did when he came out of USC.  He actually was getting positive feedback and good coaching and he started developing. 

 

Yet the 49ers let him go despite all of that confidence, energy and positive feedback..

[playtowinthegame]

13 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Geno was drafted 11 years ago and is on his 4th team. 
 

Darnold is also on his 4th team. 
 

It’s not like these guys left the Jets and were immediately good 

It takes at least 4 years of QB rehabilitation after being thrown in the Jets rookie QB grinder.

[playtowinthegame]

12 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

You Hate The Jets!

[UntouchableCrew]

A couple of things here:

1) I think it's obviously accurate that the Jets are bad at developing QBs. I also think Sam Darnold and Geno Smith, specifically, were in really bad spots here. (I do NOT think this was true for Mark Sanchez or Zach Wilson who were in pretty good spots.)

2) Sam Darnold and Geno Smith were arguably the best QB prospects in their class and are now, finally, having some success on their fourth team. Geno has been in the league for a decade and Darnold has been around for 7 years now. It's not insane that they're finally showing something -- heck they both showed something with the Jets.

3) Neither Sam Darnold nor Geno Smith are franchise QBs. They're just playing pretty well in good situations. Good for them.

[jamesr]

1 hour ago, doitny said:

to be fair most of JN always asks for a offensive HC. especially when we draft a QB. now Gase was obviously the wrong guy but be careful what you wish for.

 

The word "offensive" has more than one meaning.  

[Bugg]

13 hours ago, y2k8 said:

 

This.

Geno needed a decade to mature and learn how to be an NFL QB. He is, at best, a slightly above average NFL QB 10 years into his career.

Zach Wilson was overdrafted and the best he can hope for is Geno's career. But I seriously doubt he is in the league 3 years from now.

Sam Darnold was sabotaged by bad development. Todd Bowles & Adam Gase to the Carolina Panthers. In the right situation, he can be Eli Manning (another guy who needed 5 years before figuring it out).

Had the Jets drafted Sewell or Parsons rather than Wilson, Darnold might have happened here. But water under the bridge, done, over. 

[jamesr]

50 minutes ago, Green DNA said:

Yet the 49ers let him go despite all of that confidence, energy and positive feedback..

Costs a lot of money, that confidence and energy.  

[JKlecko]

51 minutes ago, Green DNA said:

Yet the 49ers let him go despite all of that confidence, energy and positive feedback..

Yes they did.  You'd have to ask them why, but I suspect that they thought that Purdy had a higher upside, and they were right. It doesn't mean that Sam hasn't learned and improved.

I was never a fan of Sam. He one really good year, his freshman year at USC, then regressed badly his sophomore year.  He had only been playing QB since his Jr. year in high school, and I think even then only part time, as he was also a LB.  So at the time he left USC, he had only played QB full time for 3 years.  That wasn't enough time to learn how to play the position, fix any technical flaws in his throwing motion, develop instincts, learn how to read Ds, etc.  I was totally against the Jets drafting him at all, much less in the 1st round.  I've had my doubts about him, but looking at the film from the last two weeks, Sam indeed looks like a different QB.  He's more poised, confident, and polished.  I saw no hint of the panic and indecision that I was when he was with the Jets or Panthers.

In spite of not wanting the Jets to draft him, and wanting them to trade him when they did, I always thought that Sam was a good kid, and I felt sorry for him.  The Jets did him no favors and gave him no help.  I just didn't think he was that bright and wasn't sure that he'd be able to develop without sitting for several years like Geno, if ever.  I thought that whatever chances he had of ever possibly being a quality NFL starting QB could be gone.  Thankfully for his sake, Shanahan took him in and developed him, and Sam had the resilience to bounce back and learn.  I'm happy for him and hope that he does become a quality starting QB.  If he keeps playing like he has the last two weeks the Minnesota fans will love him, just as the Seattle fans love Geno.  Both Sam and Geno have arm talent.  That is something that can't be taught.  One can be limited by technical/fundamental issues, but if one is willing to change and works hard, they can be overcome and one's talent can shine through.  Evidently that is what has happened with both Sam and Geno.  Geno was a jerk when he was with the Jets, but he always had talent.  He just needed to grow up, get some humility, and work to improve.  For his sake, I'm glad that he did.

I think that the same thing can happen with Zach Wilson with the Broncos.  Zach has arm talent.  He suffered from immaturity and lousy coaching while with the Jets.  Fortunately for him, he wound up in one of the probably only 4-5 situations in the NFL where he could sit, learn and develop (KC with Reid, SF with Shanahan, Denver with Payton, GB with LaFleur (but that well was poisoned), and maybe Minnesota with O'Connell.  A couple of years ago, I would have said Daboll, but that has proven to be false.