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  1. 1. Do you fire Jets Coach Todd Bowles after the Buffalo game?

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Time to hand Bowles and his cadre of inept position coaches a box lunch and bus ticket out of town.  Bowles has made a ton of bad decisions over the the last two years.  But Saturday's decision to call timeout as NE was just running out the clock into halftime just drove me insane.  I think it showed he really has no understanding of what is happening on the field or a grasp as to the abilities and effort of his players.

Also, going for a field goal sown by 41 just to get the zero off the board is inexcusable.  Hate to say it, but we hired the wrong guy in Bowles.

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Here's the qualifier, though: we know that Richardson and Wilkerson are talented enough to be near-elite players in this league and they've looked like street free agents under Bowles, so the evidence would seem to suggest that Bowles and his staff aren't exactly getting the best out of the available talent. Hell, even Revis has looked like Don Boyd Odegard under Bowles. Maccagnan may well be a sh*tbag, but it's hard to tell right now.

And @Smashmouth this is a reply to you as well. 

Keeping Mo and Richardson and Williams instead of parlaying at least one of them into a pick that plugs an actual hole - for 2 yrs and counting - is firable on its face. As was drafting a near-undraftable QB in round 2. As was pissing away 3-4 comp draft picks for non-elite 30-somethings for the "competitive rebuild" 2016 season. As was not locking up Snacks when he was only on a 1 yr $2m tag (with nothing yet saved up to date), and would have jumped at a raise to the $5m range on a multi-yr deal, which would have made him he highest paid 2-down NT in the NFL.

These and many other decisions were not just 20/20 hindsight critiques, nor are they bad moves merely because Bowles is an empty-headed doormat. Had he provided Bowles with decent & non has-been NFL starters at QB, LT, RT, CB, outside pass rusher, even the boob Bowles would look half competent.

MM simply hasn't made nearly enough good moves to offset his so many bad ones, independent of being saddled with Bowles. Because frankly, as horrible a HC as Bowles is, the uncomfortable truth is he's also been saddled with Maccagnan. The guy openly says he wants a speedy defense and his GM provides him a DL consisting of 5 DTs plus a sloth of an old ILB and no serious outside pass rusher. (Not to be outdone, Bowles drops one of the DTs to OLB-ILB, and continually drops his old sloth ILB into coverage no matter how many times it blows up in his face). 

Really, they're both terrible. They need to be fired together so a year or two from now Woody doesn't repeat history & tell MM-replacement interviewees they can't fire the Bowles-replacement HC for his first year (or two).

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6 minutes ago, Jetlag said:

Lol this board is a joke.  It's embarrassing to even come back here.  I can't wait for when Bowels is fired and then 2 years later he is bringing the Bears or whoever to the playoffs and all of you are crying about how keeping Bowels would have been better.  I love how people are licking Tanny's balls now.  It's same thing over and over again.  

Jets fans whine about losing out on Belichick but what I'm just now realizing is they would have been crying for him to be fired after the first season anyway.  We didn't deserve him.  So yea let's fire Bowels, bring in the next savior.  

Well I suppose we don't really have to fire him.  

Perhaps just stop paying him.  Start using his office as storage.  And take back any office supplies.  Even his stapler.

Not sure he's really done anything to earn being officially fired.  Let him figure it out on his own 

Should do the same with $hitz too.  Start by taking away his helmet but let him continue to practice.

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Just now, Mike135 said:

Well I suppose we don't really have to fire him.  

Perhaps just stop paying him.  Start using his office as storage.  And take back any office supplies.  Even his stapler.

Not sure he's really done anything to earn being officially fired.  Let him figure it out on his own 

Should do the same with $hitz too.  Start by taking away his helmet but let him continue to practice.

LOL!  "We just fixed the glitch..."

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18 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

And @Smashmouth this is a reply to you as well. 

Keeping Mo and Richardson and Williams instead of parlaying at least one of them into a pick that plugs an actual hole - for 2 yrs and counting - is firable on its face. As was drafting a near-undraftable QB in round 2. As was pissing away 3-4 comp draft picks for non-elite 30-somethings for the "competitive rebuild" 2016 season. As was not locking up Snacks when he was only on a 1 yr $2m tag (with nothing yet saved up to date), and would have jumped at a raise to the $5m range on a multi-yr deal, which would have made him he highest paid 2-down NT in the NFL.

These and many other decisions were not just 20/20 hindsight critiques, nor are they bad moves merely because Bowles is an empty-headed doormat. Had he provided Bowles with decent & non has-been NFL starters at QB, LT, RT, CB, outside pass rusher, even the boob Bowles would look half competent.

MM simply hasn't made nearly enough good moves to offset his so many bad ones, independent of being saddled with Bowles. Because frankly, as horrible a HC as Bowles is, the uncomfortable truth is he's also been saddled with Maccagnan. The guy openly says he wants a speedy defense and his GM provides him a DL consisting of 5 DTs plus a sloth of an old ILB and no serious outside pass rusher. (Not to be outdone, Bowles drops one of the DTs to OLB-ILB, and continually drops his old sloth ILB into coverage no matter how many times it blows up in his face). 

Really, they're both terrible. They need to be fired together so a year or two from now Woody doesn't repeat history & tell MM-replacement interviewees they can't fire the Bowles-replacement HC for his first year (or two).

Sold!

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25 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

And @Smashmouth this is a reply to you as well. 

Keeping Mo and Richardson and Williams instead of parlaying at least one of them into a pick that plugs an actual hole - for 2 yrs and counting - is firable on its face. As was drafting a near-undraftable QB in round 2. As was pissing away 3-4 comp draft picks for non-elite 30-somethings for the "competitive rebuild" 2016 season. As was not locking up Snacks when he was only on a 1 yr $2m tag (with nothing yet saved up to date), and would have jumped at a raise to the $5m range on a multi-yr deal, which would have made him he highest paid 2-down NT in the NFL.

These and many other decisions were not just 20/20 hindsight critiques, nor are they bad moves merely because Bowles is an empty-headed doormat. Had he provided Bowles with decent & non has-been NFL starters at QB, LT, RT, CB, outside pass rusher, even the boob Bowles would look half competent.

MM simply hasn't made nearly enough good moves to offset his so many bad ones, independent of being saddled with Bowles. Because frankly, as horrible a HC as Bowles is, the uncomfortable truth is he's also been saddled with Maccagnan. The guy openly says he wants a speedy defense and his GM provides him a DL consisting of 5 DTs plus a sloth of an old ILB and no serious outside pass rusher. (Not to be outdone, Bowles drops one of the DTs to OLB-ILB, and continually drops his old sloth ILB into coverage no matter how many times it blows up in his face). 

Really, they're both terrible. They need to be fired together so a year or two from now Woody doesn't repeat history & tell MM-replacement interviewees they can't fire the Bowles-replacement HC for his first year (or two).

While I don't disagree with anything you say at all, we have no idea the conversation going on behind closed doors with Woodrow. If he is mandating win now, it would explain much of what is going on. 

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Definitely all Woodys fault

We were much better off with Leon

And Holtz, Walton, Coslet and Kotite

Oh come on. Just because the Jets history sucks does not make Woody a good owner. It only makes him slightly better than Leon Hess, which is not hard to do.

When you have fans here fighting over why you do or don't fire a bad coach like Bowles simply because we didn't fire the likes of Mangini and Rex right away, it misses the point: our GMs and HCs have sucked since Parcells. All of them. And that's on Woody.

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These are all times where good HC's show their stripes and I honestly can't think of one time this year where Todd impressed me with his decision. 

Hell, he didn't impress much last year either. The record looks good, but then you look at the fact that we got swept by the Bills, with poor decisions (like making Ridley "the game plan" Week 17) and not much stands out as being great moments for Bowles.

After going 10-6 the hope was that it was more than first year HC luck and that he'd become a good one. But at no time were people calling him a genius last year.

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This is a tough one. If he comes back, there has to be significant progress next season - which I think is not a hard task because it cannot get any worse than this season.

If we fire him, it better be for a hard-nosed retread that learned from his last stint as head coach (Haley, Harbaugh?) or a blue chip first timer with the pedigree we are looking for (Shanahan?). No matter what the choice is, WE COMMIT TO HIM! Nothing gets better from constantly blowing things up. So I understand if we fire Bowles.... but whoever we bring in, he's the guy and he gets his contract to work through the kinks and get us back into the playoffs.

We need to cut the dead weight (Sheldon, Revis, Clady, Giacomini) and restructure some of our long-time Jets (Harris, Mangold... cut them if they don't restructure). Choose wisely in free agency/hit on a pick or two in the draft and this team will turn around in a hurry, no matter who the coach is.

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I said no, we keep Todd Bowles.  One, this team is basically going to be the Jaguars without a QB.  Except with incredibly impatient, overly sensitive, and judgmental fan base.

Two, who the hell do you replace him with?

Replace the assistants.  This train wreck hasn't hit bottom yet. No sense changing HC on the way down.

We need to play out 2017.  We are going to be near the worst team in the league. We have legit QB prospects from USC, & Wash, and Tx Tech probably coming out in 2018.

If we don't have a number of quality young players from the 2015-2017 drafts, then start all over with a veteran GM and the smartest offensive minded HC possible.  And not Josh McDaniel.  He is a blatant cheater that gets exposed when not under the protective wing of BB.

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My criteria is this:  Will the guy ever coach a super bowl winner?  Will he coach one in his next spot if another team hires him?  If both answers are no, and I think they are, then I fire Bowles now. I would keep Mac and give him a chance to hire his own coach.

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I don't know if Bowles is HC material. He may be good someday. As for his future with the Jets. It should end on next Monday. Why waste another year on this guy. I know it's not good to dump a Coach after a couple years but he needs to go. If the Jets are going to rebuild, start with the coaching staff. Rebuild from the top down to the players. If we rebuild with Bowles and he gets fired in 2018, it will push the rebuild back even further. New coaches with new players now!

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Bowles seems like a nice guy who built a solid reputation as as DC. Unfortunately his in game actions and decisions were an abomination throughout the season. He is is not a HC and our GM has similarly been unimpressive but the jury is still out on him. We need a new HC who will command the troops as well as direct the GM ala Bellicheat Parcells etc. Woody should bring in a "consultant" like a Parcells for the sole purpose of directing the overhaul of the operation with a veto power. 

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47 minutes ago, TheSage said:

Bowles seems like a nice guy who built a solid reputation as as DC. Unfortunately his in game actions and decisions were an abomination throughout the season. He is is not a HC and our GM has similarly been unimpressive but the jury is still out on him. We need a new HC who will command the troops as well as direct the GM ala Bellicheat Parcells etc. Woody should bring in a "consultant" like a Parcells for the sole purpose of directing the overhaul of the operation with a veto power. 

There is reputational harm to blow it up now, even though Bowles and his cronies look completely lost in trying to produce an NFL job.

Nothing gets better until Woody restructures.

It is also clear to me that Woody and Bowles were behind Macc' questionable draft picks and signings.

Let Macc and Bowles spend another year trying to fix it, but under the supervision of a Football Custodian.  I think if the three of them put their heads together, they will do a better job than the current three heads.

Tanny's undoing was Bradway, Woody and Rex.

Firing Bowles now is the easy way out.  The Jets need to work their way out of the mess they crested.

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1 hour ago, Kleckineau said:

I would have fired him at half time during the Pats game.

That time out before the half was the last nail in the coffin to me.

 

And don't forget the off-sides on the Cheaters during the kick-off when we had the ball on 28 then went to the 15 after the re-kick, which the play after that was the now famous " false start on everyone except the center"  which the ref had to bite his tough from laughing to make the call.

Right there I was embarrassed to be a Jet fan.

It's not that we're 4-11, it's how we got to 4-11.

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9 minutes ago, varjet said:

There is reputational harm to blow it up now, even though Bowles and his cronies look completely lost in trying to produce an NFL job.

Nothing gets better until Woody restructures.

It is also clear to me that Woody and Bowles were behind Macc' questionable draft picks and signings.

Let Macc and Bowles spend another year trying to fix it, but under the supervision of a Football Custodian.  I think if the three of them put their heads together, they will do a better job than the current three heads.

Tanny's undoing was Bradway, Woody and Rex.

Firing Bowles now is the easy way out.  The Jets need to work their way out of the mess they crested.

Even if Macs were to have an incredible draft of his choosing-do you or anyone else believe the current HC could take the ingredients and make an acceptable meal???

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30 minutes ago, TheSage said:

Even if Macs were to have an incredible draft of his choosing-do you or anyone else believe the current HC could take the ingredients and make an acceptable meal???

No, but he did go 10-6 last year.   Nobody respectable replaces Bowles.  

The solution here is not to replace the HC first.   They need to first the organization from the top.  

Woody is the NFL's designated sucker.  First he pays the headhunter for Idzik and then meddles and blames Idzik.

Then he hires Casserly and Wolf, then meddles and maybe throws another 1 or 2 guys under the bus.

Who wants to come to the Jets are ruin their career and reputation?

BB and BP were right.  Get away from this guy.   

The only way it gets better is if Bowles runs it into the ground and then Woody steps down, handing a top draft pick to the new Jets Football Czar.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, varjet said:

Who wants to come to the Jets are ruin their career and reputation?

Anyone who believes in their own skill, wants the support of one of the NFL's largest and most starved fan bases, and would enjoy winning in the largest media market.

Not to mention a guy who realizes it's perfect timing to build a winner in the AFC East.  With Brady turning 40, there will soon be a big opportunity to take over the division.

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2 hours ago, docdhc said:

My criteria is this:  Will the guy ever coach a super bowl winner?  Will he coach one in his next spot if another team hires him?  If both answers are no, and I think they are, then I fire Bowles now. I would keep Mac and give him a chance to hire his own coach.

Interesting thought process:  Let's look at history:  Mangini given 2nd chance with Browns=Failed, Rex Ryan 2nd chance with Buffalo=Failed, Herman Edwards 2nd chance with K.C.=Failed

Of the coaches we had:  Pete Carrol and Belichek had success later in their careers.

Now let's look at guy's who are having success who are having success from other teams given a 2nd chance:  Andy Reid with K.C., Jack Del Rio with the Raiders, Gary Kubiak with Denver

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25 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Anyone who believes in their own skill, wants the support of one of the NFL's largest and most starved fan bases, and would enjoy winning in the largest media market.

Not to mention a guy who realizes it's perfect timing to build a winner in the AFC East.  With Brady turning 40, there will soon be a big opportunity to take over the division.

+1 ... you build a winner for Jet fans and you will be treated like a god for the rest of your life.

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1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

He will be around for at least one if not two more years but his performance this year has been pure awful.  We can only hope he realizes that he has been awful in all areas and changes accordingly.

I agree with this part 1000%!!

It is hard to square Bowles' performance this year with his Assistant Coach of the Year award just two short years ago!

Amazing......

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12 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

I agree with this part 1000%!!

It is hard to square Bowles' performance this year with his Assistant Coach of the Year award just two short years ago!

Amazing......

Most people are better followers than leaders.

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I said no, we keep Todd Bowles.  One, this team is basically going to be the Jaguars without a QB.  Except with incredibly impatient, overly sensitive, and judgmental fan base.
Two, who the hell do you replace him with?
Replace the assistants.  This train wreck hasn't hit bottom yet. No sense changing HC on the way down.
We need to play out 2017.  We are going to be near the worst team in the league. We have legit QB prospects from USC, & Wash, and Tx Tech probably coming out in 2018.
If we don't have a number of quality young players from the 2015-2017 drafts, then start all over with a veteran GM and the smartest offensive minded HC possible.  And not Josh McDaniel.  He is a blatant cheater that gets exposed when not under the protective wing of BB.


Ok, so let's say we opt for the fire-the-assistants route. Do you let Bowles make those hires? He completely botched the DC and ST coach hires (I'll give the Gailey hire leeway, as he needed a veteran coach on the staff). Can we really trust him to hire a solid new set of assistants? If not, does Macc make that call?

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Absolutely, no doubt-for the worst football season in Jets history? absolutely. This team was out of it before September was even over, there was no fight in this team no chemistry, no nothin' good. Horrible offense, defense, and special teams. Even the 1-15 team had more fight than this one-just look at the scores between the two teams

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