JOJOTOWNSELL Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 http://deadspin.com/...averde-throw-it Trying to figure out who is responsible for throwing a football the farthest distance in history is not an easy task. It takes one on a winding journey through message boards and YouTube clips and ends, disappointingly, at Vinny Testaverde. In this week's excerpt from Slate's Hang Up and Listen podcast, Josh Levin discovers that the former Jets quarterback may very well be strongest-armed passer in NFL history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Distance does not equate to having the strongest arm. Ball speed=strongest arm. Elway and Cutler probably have the strongest arms I've ever witnessed, with Rodgers and (maybe) Vick right behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Distance does not equate to having the strongest arm. Ball speed=strongest arm. Elway and Cutler probably have the strongest arms I've ever witnessed, with Rodgers and (maybe) Vick right behind them. i think i disagree with this. i'm not a physics expert but wouldn't it be true that to propel an object of a certain weight a certain distance it takes a certain amount of force, where an increase of force equates to an increase in distance traveled? i know there are variables such as friction, trajectory etc.....but it just makes sense that a guy with a stronger arm can put more force on the ball and therefore it will travel further. the more "speed" on a ball would mean that it takes gravity and friction a longer time to exert enough force on the ball to bring it back down to the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Distance does not equate to having the strongest arm. Ball speed=strongest arm. Elway and Cutler probably have the strongest arms I've ever witnessed, with Rodgers and (maybe) Vick right behind them. Jeff George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 i think i disagree with this. i'm not a physics expert but wouldn't it be true that to propel an object of a certain weight a certain distance it takes a certain amount of force, where an increase of force equates to an increase in distance traveled? i know there are variables such as friction, trajectory etc.....but it just makes sense that a guy with a stronger arm can put more force on the ball and therefore it will travel further. the more "speed" on a ball would mean that it takes gravity and friction a longer time to exert enough force on the ball to bring it back down to the ground j Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Jeff George Good name. What a mess he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Distance does not equate to having the strongest arm. Ball speed=strongest arm. Elway and Cutler probably have the strongest arms I've ever witnessed, with Rodgers and (maybe) Vick right behind them. no jet could be the best at anything !!! screw this crap !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 no jet could be the best at anything !!! screw this crap !!!! Did you know Chad Pennington's real first name is James? Jim Pennington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Vinny certainly had a rifle arm. This is a debate that can never really be settled but I would go with Bert Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Distance does not equate to having the strongest arm. Ball speed=strongest arm. Elway and Cutler probably have the strongest arms I've ever witnessed, with Rodgers and (maybe) Vick right behind them. for modern day examples, IMO, watch Mike Glennon, who can toss it a mile down the field but sucks when he has to drive the ball in a tight spot outside the hash mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 for modern day examples, IMO, watch Mike Glennon, who can toss it a mile down the field but sucks when he has to drive the ball in a tight spot outside the hash mark. Word. Chad Pennington could loft a ball about 65 yards, but we all know he had a jelly arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Word. Chad Pennington could loft a ball about 65 yards, but we all know he had a jelly arm. Yeah but it had the hang time of a Ray Guy punt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Good call Kleckineau! I love Bert Jones. Another guy I always had on my Madden team when they had real old timers. Vinny is certainly in the conversation. He had a cannon and was a major bust. By the time he got the Jets he was well past his prime, but was a much better QB. Word. Chad Pennington could loft a ball about 65 yards, but we all know he had a jelly arm. Didn't he supposedly hurt his arm in a distance contest with Vinny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius del Sol Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 the more "speed" on a ball would mean that it takes gravity and friction a longer time to exert enough force on the ball to bring it back down to the ground Yeah, pretty sure I'm the first one to read this sentence, because wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Yeah, pretty sure I'm the first one to read this sentence, because wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Throwing for distance would also favor those who throw a tighter spiral. Bernie Kosar could have a cannon and never be in the convo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Vinny certainly had a rifle arm. This is a debate that can never really be settled but I would go with Bert Jones. Bert Jones couldn't even crush a beer can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Good call Kleckineau! I love Bert Jones. Another guy I always had on my Madden team when they had real old timers. Vinny is certainly in the conversation. He had a cannon and was a major bust. By the time he got the Jets he was well past his prime, but was a much better QB. Didn't he supposedly hurt his arm in a distance contest with Vinny? I remember hearing/reading that. Was during his rookie year in camp or something. Can't find any articles that mention it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Distance does not equate to having the strongest arm. Ball speed=strongest arm. Elway and Cutler probably have the strongest arms I've ever witnessed, with Rodgers and (maybe) Vick right behind them. Favre was no slouch when he was young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Throwing for distance would also favor those who throw a tighter spiral. Bernie Kosar could have a cannon and never be in the convo. true....also the other variable with throwing for distance is that there is usually alot of wind-up involved and lower body strength where a quick-release rope is more arm strength only. so in that respect tom shane has a point with the distance throw vs. a frozen rope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Stumbled upon this video of Bradshaw throwing a pass 60 yards in the air on a rope. Low trajectory - probably could have gone at least 10-15 yards more if he lofted it higher. There have been longer throws in the air, but this was a 'pass', not a hail mary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j9s-EFNz0i4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stugotz81 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The speed and distance at which you can throw a football is determined by torque, not muscle mass/strength. So it all comes down to the rotator cuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The speed and distance at which you can throw a football is determined by torque, not muscle mass/strength. So it all comes down to the rotator cuff More or less. It is all all about torque, but since the arm's throwing motion utilizes three distinct lever systems, it's more than just the rotator cuff. You have to take into consideration what's causing the force, the amount it creates and then how it's augmented with a longer lever arm. Ie. why those tall QBs like Glennon have an inherent advantage. Give me a solid arm and quick release any day of the week though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Early Vick had a sick, sick arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I seem to remember Major Harris throwing a ball 70 yards from one knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Of course, African Swallows are non-migratory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I seem to remember Major Harris throwing a ball 70 yards from one knee. Browning Nagle threw it through the uprights from his knees, from the 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Kyle Boller did the knee/midfield throw as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stugotz81 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 More or less. It is all all about torque, but since the arm's throwing motion utilizes three distinct lever systems, it's more than just the rotator cuff. You have to take into consideration what's causing the force, the amount it creates and then how it's augmented with a longer lever arm. Ie. why those tall QBs like Glennon have an inherent advantage. Give me a solid arm and quick release any day of the week though. yes i agree, and to add...the throwing motion can be broken down into three steps: cocking, accelerating and releasing. And kinda like you said they can be affected by the QB's height, strength, and flexibility But what makes each QB more capable than the next QB, is their ability to coordinate all these qualities into one fluid motion. Tebow on one hand has very good arm attributes but fails to coordinate these into any type of fluid motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Jeff George Jeff George played with track stars and still was able to over throw them by 5 yards consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I remember hearing/reading that. Was during his rookie year in camp or something. Can't find any articles that mention it. We might be quoting each other at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Word. Chad Pennington could loft a ball about 65 yards, but we all know he had a jelly arm. I'm sorry, I don't believe that. If Chad could power a football anywhere near 65 yards downfield, lofted or not, he would be one of the top 20 QB's ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Browning Nagle threw it through the uprights from his knees, from the 50. and Al Davis didn't take him first overall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 old timers will tell you, Sonny Jurgenson and a cannon for an arm - he could also throw a 30 yard pass BEHIND his back.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5t8vGk3PxM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Browning Nagle threw it through the uprights from his knees, from the 50. Too bad he was aiming for a receiver on the 20 at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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