Beerfish Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Actually, our rebuild is going well. we have the infrastructure to be a good team We have no QB We have no good LT We have no good C We have no bell cow RB We have no Wr that teams have to game plan for We have no outside pass rusher We are very dodgy at CB The team has good long term infra at safety, even the dline may be a hole soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: There is nothing that Petty or Hack can do in the last 6 weeks that would prevent me from either signing or drafting a QB this offseason. They are both under contract for next season, if there is any growth we'll see it next preseason. If playing McCown means every other position could get better for our future QB then I'm okay with that decision. As a fan, I haven't had the privilege to see these QBs in practice so of course I'd love to see them play. I agree that's how it should have started off and it did and we saw what we had on offense and what it could be. But now it's week 11...guys aren't going to all of a sudden turn a page if they haven't already. So let's see what the other QBs can do and evaluate them in real game action and not in preseason with a limited amount of reps, against a bunch of guys who won't even be in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: We have no QB We have no good LT We have no good C We have no bell cow RB We have no Wr that teams have to game plan for We have no outside pass rusher We are very dodgy at CB The team has good long term infra at safety, even the dline may be a hole soon. wow #fakefan much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrene Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 "We're on a ride to nowhereCome on insideTaking that ride to nowhereWe'll take that rideMaybe you wonder where you areI don't care" Road to nowhere, bridge to no where, The Jets are traditionalists and will either sink or swim with their philosophy. So far they have been dog paddling in circles. If the Jets pick up Tyrod Taylor in the off season it will be the continuation of this fine "bridge to nowhere experiment" They will apply their patent pending Hackenberg transformation machine... "We will coach him up!" The Bills season long blood letting experiment may blow up in their face but you have to admire them for going all-in from day one and not leading on traditional/wishful thinking. They have looked at this puzzle of how to break these decades of loosing and they are going all in. Hats off to them for risk taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Tyrod Taylor is such an enigma, if you look at his stats, you think he's an excellent QB. If you watch him play, he is not so good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said: After 2 losses and still with an above .500 record, Bills sit Tyrod Taylor and will start Nathan Peterman this week. Because they want to see what they have on the roster..... Wow. they need to see what they have before the draft. Very smart move. The Jets, on the other hand, have an absolute idiot as head coach and a fool for GM. McCown will start all 16 games because he is Bowles' guy and Bowles' has ZERO regard for the long-term future of this franchise. Bowles was just another terrible hire by Woody Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFreak89 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 24 minutes ago, gEYno said: I'm of the mindset that preseason is just one of many tools the coaching staff uses to evaluate players. Fans are biased towards it because they think their opinion/evaluation is relevant. My guess is that Wilson earned his reps, the whole way through training camp, practices, and meetings, something Petty failed to do, as per reports. I agree about the fans... no so much about the reports. I remember training camp reports saying that Petty started off badly and had very few snaps with the starters and as TC progressed he kept stealing more and more starter snaps and really picked up his game right around the DET/Giants PS games: FLORHAM PARK — Bryce Petty is the forgotten man of One Jets Drive. He watches most team drills, cleans up the scraps of reps, and rarely makes much — if any — impact in practice. He's clearly behind Josh McCown and Christian Hackenberg in this wide-open quarterback competition, but hasn't really been given an opportunity to change that. Well, that was until Wednesday, when Petty put on a show. Receiving his most action in 11-on-11 drills to date, Petty completed 9 of 12 passes, highlighted by two long touchdowns to Robby Anderson and Frankie Hammond. He had command in the huddle, poise at the line, and made several impressive throws in addition to his scoring strikes. It was easily the best the third-year quarterback has looked in camp. * You would think that the CS would reward Petty after this performance since this is a QB competition right? Here is the next training camp report: It was a good day for the quarterbacks. Josh McCown and Christian Hackenberg each looked sharp. Bryce Petty didn't receive enough opportunities to make a difference one way or another. One thing to note here: For the second consecutive day, Hackenberg out-repped McCown (23-20). Much ado about nothing? Maybe, but worth noting. He did have less first-team reps Tuesday than he did Monday. * Here is the next day's report: Christian Hackenberg out-repped Josh McCown on Monday and Tuesday. That wasn't the case on Wednesday. McCown actually received a ton — mostly all — of the reps, including those with the first-team offense. Here's how it broke down: REP COUNTER (practice): Josh McCown: 37 Christian Hackenberg: 27 (6 first team) Bryce Petty: 13 REP COUNTER (camp) McCown: 316 Hackenberg: 285 Bryce Petty: 185 CUMULATIVE CAMP STATS Josh McCown 132 of 202 (65 percent) | 9 TDs | 4 INTs Christian Hackenberg 87 of 174 (50 percent) | 7 TDs | 5 INTs Bryce Petty 69 of 111 (62 percent) | 7 TDs | 4 INTs Petty delivered on the play of practice — and maybe of camp. On the first set of team drills, he threw a perfect deep ball down the right sideline to receiver Robby Anderson. Anderson reached out with one hand, pulled it in, then raced to the end zone. Granted, if this was a game, Anderson likely gets lit up by the safety. Still, good throw. Petty is clearly the No. 3 quarterback. He has virtually no shot — barring injury — of starting Week 1. He said he wants to make the most of his reps. He has, at times. That throw to Anderson was a good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: I agree that's how it should have started off and it did and we saw what we had on offense and what it could be. But now it's week 11...guys aren't going to all of a sudden turn a page if they haven't already. So let's see what the other QBs can do and evaluate them in real game action and not in preseason against a bunch of guys who won't even be in the league. As a fan, I completely agree. If the staff feels like they are not capable of that then it would be foolish to make the switch. IMO I think it would be money (ticket revenue/views) > team development if they put in an inferior QB they don't plan on backing. I'd rather invest our time in the other players at that point. I think if the QB battle was remotely close they would go with a younger guy but wasting time when the determination is "they are not the guy" doesn't accomplish much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, JetFreak89 said: I agree about the fans... no so much about the reports. I remember training camp reports saying that Petty started off badly and had very few snaps with the starters and as TC progressed he kept stealing more and more starter snaps and really picked up his game right around the DET/Giants PS games: FLORHAM PARK — Bryce Petty is the forgotten man of One Jets Drive. He watches most team drills, cleans up the scraps of reps, and rarely makes much — if any — impact in practice. He's clearly behind Josh McCown and Christian Hackenberg in this wide-open quarterback competition, but hasn't really been given an opportunity to change that. Well, that was until Wednesday, when Petty put on a show. Receiving his most action in 11-on-11 drills to date, Petty completed 9 of 12 passes, highlighted by two long touchdowns to Robby Anderson and Frankie Hammond. He had command in the huddle, poise at the line, and made several impressive throws in addition to his scoring strikes. It was easily the best the third-year quarterback has looked in camp. * You would think that the CS would reward Petty after this performance since this is a QB competition right? Here is the next training camp report: It was a good day for the quarterbacks. Josh McCown and Christian Hackenberg each looked sharp. Bryce Petty didn't receive enough opportunities to make a difference one way or another. One thing to note here: For the second consecutive day, Hackenberg out-repped McCown (23-20). Much ado about nothing? Maybe, but worth noting. He did have less first-team reps Tuesday than he did Monday. * Here is the next day's report: Christian Hackenberg out-repped Josh McCown on Monday and Tuesday. That wasn't the case on Wednesday. McCown actually received a ton — mostly all — of the reps, including those with the first-team offense. Here's how it broke down: REP COUNTER (practice): Josh McCown: 37 Christian Hackenberg: 27 (6 first team) Bryce Petty: 13 REP COUNTER (camp) McCown: 316 Hackenberg: 285 Bryce Petty: 185 CUMULATIVE CAMP STATS Josh McCown 132 of 202 (65 percent) | 9 TDs | 4 INTs Christian Hackenberg 87 of 174 (50 percent) | 7 TDs | 5 INTs Bryce Petty 69 of 111 (62 percent) | 7 TDs | 4 INTs Petty delivered on the play of practice — and maybe of camp. On the first set of team drills, he threw a perfect deep ball down the right sideline to receiver Robby Anderson. Anderson reached out with one hand, pulled it in, then raced to the end zone. Granted, if this was a game, Anderson likely gets lit up by the safety. Still, good throw. Petty is clearly the No. 3 quarterback. He has virtually no shot — barring injury — of starting Week 1. He said he wants to make the most of his reps. He has, at times. That throw to Anderson was a good example. Certainly there were some reports of Petty having decent practices, and that didn't translate. But, the question then is, why not? The option being proposed is one that doesn't actually benefit the conspirators in any way. The other option is that there's more to the evaluation than a couple of deep balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Well here we go. FA opens, Mac goes after Cousins, doesn't get him, overpays for Taylor once the Bills release him. Draft a Corner in the 1st Round because of "the system". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 I understand a lot of the complaints about the roster, but I don't understand why people always clamor for a "big time" WR. The list of SB champs in recent history includes a lot of teams without an elite #1 receiver. I think there could be an argument made that is the most overvalued asset in pro football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I understand a lot of the complaints about the roster, but I don't understand why people always clamor for a "big time" WR. The list of SB champs in recent history includes a lot of teams without an elite #1 receiver. I think there could be an argument made that is the most overvalued asset in pro football. If you have a true franchise QB then super high end Wr becomes less important. You can also substitute WR for All pro Tight end ala Gronk. The pats may not have a WR you have to game plan for bu they sure have a TE you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Sounds like the whole NFL is going to tank for Sam Darnold. Because that's what professionals do...they tank. Always tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, Beerfish said: If you have a true franchise QB then super high end Wr becomes less important. You can also substitute WR for All pro Tight end ala Gronk. The pats may not have a WR you have to game plan for bu they sure have a TE you do. But a true #1 WR is low on the list for us right now, even RB. It should be QB and then the OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: But a true #1 WR is low on the list for us right now, even RB. It should be QB and then the OL. Yup I agree with this, this is one reason the 'tank crowd' would like to have seen us suck this year because then we could have got one of the top QBs and retain other picks to build the oline or other positions. If we have to trade up to get a Qb it is going to cost us a lot of other draft capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Oh God. Tyrod is going to be a Jet next year, isn’t he? Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Oh God. Tyrod is going to be a Jet next year, isn’t he? Ugh. McCown/Tyrod/Bradford is gonna be the Jet QB week 1 2018. Time to Jet up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgivs21 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 F*ckn Todd Bowles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 MFW I open this thread and I don't have to make it more than a couple posts down the first page to find the Sunshine Squad questioning why the Bills would do this when they still have a .0000145% at winning the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Amazing. Bills fans hate the move and Jets fans still continue to whine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 You guys. Mikey Macc KNOWS that he needs to get a QB so don't even worry about the Bills trading up. I'm sure the Bills already know they can't trade up for one because we called dibsies. Same reason that the teams in front of us, who desperately need one, can't take one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mogglez said: MFW I open this thread and I don't have to make it more than a couple posts down the first page to find the Sunshine Squad questioning why the Bills would do this when they still have a .0000145% at winning the division. They are a 25 percent chance to go to the playoffs. This is a team that has not made the playoffs in nearly 20 years. If they had the Jets record it would make more sense. But they don’t. Which is why Bills fans are angry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: Amazing. Bills fans hate the move and Jets fans still continue to whine Can't wait to see them whining when they trade up for a QB and we snatch Tyrod away from them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 2 hours ago, bla bla bla said: There is nothing that Petty or Hack can do in the last 6 weeks that would prevent me from either signing or drafting a QB this offseason. They are both under contract for next season, if there is any growth we'll see it next preseason. If playing McCown means every other position could get better for our future QB then I'm okay with that decision. As a fan, I haven't had the privilege to see these QBs in practice so of course I'd love to see them play. Oh give me a break. I'm sure Fitz looked great in practice last year too, the games? not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Mogglez said: Can't wait to see them whining when they trade up for a QB and we snatch Tyrod away from them! They won’t be able to. The Giants will beat them to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Pac said: meanwhile I'm surrounded by Bills fans wondering just what in the F they're doing.. there's a reason the Bills haven't seen the postseason since the last millennium. Tyrod Taylor has the worst deep ball accuracy in the NFL this season. Unlike the Jets, they want to properly evaluate the QB's they have on the roster. Meanwhile, at the bye week (the best time to make a change), the Jets announce they're still rolling a 38-year old out there. You have no perception whatsoever of the bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Tyrod Taylor has the worst deep ball accuracy in the NFL this season. Unlike the Jets, they want to properly evaluate the QB's they have on the roster. You, like many Jets fans, have no perception whatsoever of the bigger picture. The bigger picture is not guaranteed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 3 hours ago, bostonmajet said: Bowles is too conservative, I think this move is too reckless. They are still in playoff hunt; it won't hurt their chances to 'see what they have' after two more games. Also, Taylor is way better/younger than McCown. Of course, this is McDermott's first year; the odds of getting fired are smaller. The Bills are in a different position than the Jets, and I think this move is bad. As far as the Jets, Bowles is either too stubborn for his own good, or he is playing to keep his job. Either way, he won't bench Forte for Bilal, no reason to expect him to bench McCown. The Bills almost let Tyrod go at the outset this past offseason, before they even drafted Peterman. They weren't committed to Taylor then and still aren't. New regimes always mean new QB's. Every single time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: They are a 25 percent chance to go to the playoffs. This is a team that has not made the playoffs in nearly 20 years. If they had the Jets record it would make more sense. But they don’t. Which is why Bills fans are angry I know right?! They should look at us starting McCown with our 000273646819% chance at the playoffs and think: "Gee Willikers, I wish we had Macc and Bowles :((((((" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Just now, Mogglez said: I know right?! They should look at us starting McCown with our 000273646819% chance at the playoffs and think: "Gee Willikers, I wish we had Macc and Bowles :((((((" Wrong. We know what petty and Hackenberg are. Most of you don’t seem to understand this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Who the f*ck cares if the stupid Bills fans are angry? This is one of the most drunkenly stupid fan bases in America we're talking about up there in almost-Canada. Ownership and the front office shouldn't give 2 sh*ts about pissing off the fanbase. If they win, in the long-term, those same fans that are b*tching will be calling them geniuses a year or 2 down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 And once again the Jets fan faces the conundrum. If you want to draft a QB, you are acknowledging that petty and Hackenberg are the answers, so what is the point in playing them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 3 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Problem is we already know what we have. Ummmmmmm IMO if after 3 years the Jets don't have a real young gun on the team to try out as a QB whom they are not sure about then it is a utter DISGRACE!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: Who the f*ck if the stupid Bills fans are angry? This is the most drunkenly stupid fan base in America we're talking about. Ownership and the front office shouldn't give 2 sh*ts about pissing off the fanbase. If they win, in the long-term, those same fans that are b*tching will be calling them geniuses a year or 2 down the line. IF they win in the long term. They are giving up a nice chance now for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Jetster said: Oh give me a break. I'm sure Fitz looked great in practice last year too, the games? not so much. Are you saying if Petty/Hack play well in the final games you are willing to ignore the QB position this offseason? I don't believe that would be a wise decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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